Is the line used south of Fremantle?

 
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Yesterday I noticed that the Fremantle line continues south of the station albeit not electrified and dual gauge. Do freight trains use the line? if so what is carried?

Where does the line go to? And have there been any plans to electrify it?

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  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

The line links the port to the Forrestfield - Kwinana line at Cockburn Junction, and the container trains from the north wharf use this around two to four times per day. This should expand with the new crossing loop south of the power station, and the extension of the loading sidings at the north wharf to around 700m from 450m.

The SG rails were nice and shiny yesterday when I went through to Cicerellos for fish and chips, but the NG rails are nice and brown. The wharf access and sidings are all dual gauge, but no NG container trains use the link at this stage.
  ALCO4401 Train Controller

Location: On the Branch waiting for a train order, west of Tarana
The line links the port to the Forrestfield - Kwinana line at Cockburn Junction, and the container trains from the north wharf use this around two to four times per day. This should expand with the new crossing loop south of the power station, and the extension of the loading sidings at the north wharf to around 700m from 450m.

The SG rails were nice and shiny yesterday when I went through to Cicerellos for fish and chips, but the NG rails are nice and brown. The wharf access and sidings are all dual gauge, but no NG container trains use the link at this stage.
Bulbous

Trains run daily on the line from F/Field to North Quay, 144/143/142/141 & 195/196. Also daily evening service from Kwinana, 191/148.
The 148/191 service is rumoured to become a NG service in the future, using possibly DB's.
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
I suppose the dream is that one day passenger trains will run south of Fremantle to maybe Coogee or even Cockburn Central.  Plenty of people live down that way now.  The history of the line is that there was once passenger trains on the line to South Beach and beyond. I remember seeing a photo of a train at the old South Beach Station (not the one there now) that had come down from Kalamunda to bring people to the beach for the day.

The original line south of Fremantle went through Robbs Jetty, Coogee, Spearwood, Jandakot and on to Armadale, there was also a line down the coast to Kwinana, through where Coogee Beach, Jervoise bay, and joined the line where the Alcoa siding is now.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

The dual gauge is there so intermodal trains can run to regional centres off the SG, such as Bunbury, Albany, Geraldton which can't take the large container vessels. There are issues with running large containers under the wire, the short section over the bridge has the highest wires on the network so an extension to Cockburn whilst nice to have, has engineering issues. Also, the planned growth in rail tonnage was supposed to be exponential and with the enhanced port facility, capacity will become an issue on the single line.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
It seems to be suitable for dual tracks through Sth Fremantle, but would you get away with a say 15min services considering all the LX?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The dual gauge is there so intermodal trains can run to regional centres off the SG, such as Bunbury, Albany, Geraldton which can't take the large container vessels. There are issues with running large containers under the wire, the short section over the bridge has the highest wires on the network so an extension to Cockburn whilst nice to have, has engineering issues. Also, the planned growth in rail tonnage was supposed to be exponential and with the enhanced port facility, capacity will become an issue on the single line.
62440

10 years back I worked for a company in Central Queensland that sent I believe 10 foot containers to WA via rail the whole way including under 650km of O/H in Qld and ultimately Sydney. These containers were not suitable for our international customers due to the extra height. So I doubt there would be an issue with this except if there is a longterm plan of double stacking to port.

ARTC is typically working to remove height limits and I thought there was some sort of national strategy to not build new lower height structures across the interstate network, hence there maybe some objection on this basis. For a price the bridge is by-passable, but the line south of Fremantle station unlikely unless the NG was removd from the DG in which case the line would be single track by the looks of it as the corridore doesn't look wide enough for three tracks. Single track is still not the end of the world, especially for a short section near the end of the line.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Does the dual gauge line for up into Fremantle ration or does it diverge and not go through that area ?
  Mouse Chief Train Controller

Location:
The dual gauge line shares the same corridor as the narrow gauge passenger line, but through Fremantle it runs alongside the two passenger tracks. (The narrow gauge track serving the main Fremantle platform extends past the station to tie in with the dual gauge, but is not electrified past the station.) Crossing the river the dual gauge shares the northbound passenger track, and then diverges and runs on its own alignment to the North Quay freight yard.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Thank you. So it is possible to watch freight through the station.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Google maps shows railway stations on the line past Fremantle.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

There is a station at Little Creatures brewery which I have used on a conference special and which I understand can be used but by what? There are no DRC's in WA and HV can't run there AIUI.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
A station may also exist at Success Harbour?
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
In theory could the Australind railcars run on the line south of Fremantle? What about the Prospector railcars on the dual gauge?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
A new bridge should be built over the Swan River to take the Standard Gauge Into the port without Interfering with the electric passenger services, this could pave the way for the operation of double stack container trains Into the port.

The new bridge should be designed to resist a collision from a marine vessel !
  doggie015 Junior Train Controller

Location: On a bus going from esplanade busport to canning bridge so I can catch a train to Esplanade station
...Cockburn Central...
witzendoz

Is already a station on the Mandurah line
  JNSymes Junior Train Controller

^^^^

I think he may be talking about a possible link directly from Freo to Cockburn, without having to backtrack via the CBD
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
In theory could the Australind railcars run on the line south of Fremantle? What about the Prospector railcars on the dual gauge?
GeoffreyHansen



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMd08sfzs60

There is a video of the old prospector cars visiting Fremantle pre electrification.

In the "PTA Working timetable - General and Local Instructions*" it says:

(i) Australind Railcars, Classes ADP and ADQ are restricted to run on the following sections only

  • Perth - Midland (see sub paragraph (v) below)

  • Perth to Nowergup Railcar Depot

  • Woodbridge West - Forrestfield

  • Forrestfield- Kenwick Junction

  • Perth- Bunbury

  • Perth - Mandurah



(ii) Operation on other sections is not permitted without the prior permission of the approved PTA officer.

(iii) Australind Railcars must be admitted to the non wired no.3 platform Perth as a general practice and may only be admitted to other platforms if no.3 is not available.

(iv) On no account must the Australind railcars be operated on the Perth - Fremantle Section.

(v) Australind Railcars must not be admitted to the electrified suburban platforms at Midland but are restricted to no.1 Dual Gauge non electrified country platform.  

So, to answer your question, yes the Australind could run south of Fremantle with approval from an authorised PTA officer, but not from Fremantle to Perth (I believe due to height restricitions in Subiaco Tunnel.)

I can't find a referance to any restrictions on running the Prospector Railcars over the standard gauge network. (not to say there isn't any) but judging by the fact the Prospector has visited Fremantle once before, in theroy there shouldn't be a problem.

*Reference: Chapter 7 "Locomotives, Railcars, Wagons and Carriage Stock" Restrictions on part 7.2
  62440 Chief Commissioner

To get to South Freo, you would head towards Midland, use the triangle, past Forrestfield and Cockburn. Bit of a long way round but I think it can be done by Pros cars from East Perth or Australind from platform 3 if anyone wants to check current track layouts. Good luck getting PTA to agree.
Last time I looked, South Freo was in fit for purpose and Success Harbour wasn't
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
Do the  big overseas liners still come into Freo and disembark tourists onto Perth Metro rail system ?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Do the  big overseas liners still come into Freo and disembark tourists onto Perth Metro rail system ?
"jayrail"


I hope so, I'm pulling in at Freo next month Smile
  nachoman Assistant Commissioner

Do the big overseas liners still come into Freo and disembark tourists onto Perth Metro rail system ?
jayrail

Yes, they are becoming so frequent there are plans to revamp the area

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/25196311/victoria-quay-overhaul-for-liners/
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
Here in Dunedin Otago NZ,the cruise liners c+80 annually have been great for patronage  for the Otago Central Railway;maybe HVTR?Rail Heritage could put a bid in for Freo?

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