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      BDA Chief Commissioner

    Location: Sydney
    I had the chance to ask the crew on a Tahmoor Coalie recently how the 93s go compared to the previously loaned TTs . They reckon the 93s don't dance around or buck and kick as much as the TTs did starting the loaded trains . Speed wise they think the 93s may have a very slight edge but fairly similar generally .
    Posted: 05 Sep 2014 09:48

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      M636C Minister for Railways

    To get back on topic...

    A friend reported seeing a GWA (ie orange with black stripes) at Cardiff last week.
    He also saw LDP 012 in blue and white.

    Is the GWA one back from SA/NT or is it one of the other LDPs repainted?

    M636C
    Posted: 26 Sep 2014 09:18
      jmt Deputy Commissioner
    Posted: 26 Sep 2014 11:06
      GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Gold Coast QLD
    Looks like it's inside a GT46 cab (yes I know, a mock up of one).
    Posted: 26 Sep 2014 11:52
      M636C Minister for Railways

    Looks like it's inside a GT46 cab (yes I know, a mock up of one).
    GT46C-ACe


    It looks exactly like the mock-up that was at Ausrail last year (and it might be at Ausrail this year too...) It didn't have the fatigue device, which might be new.

    Three demonstrators...

    Where have I heard that before?

    I wonder what gauge they will be...

    They were pushing a 1067 mm GT46C-ACe last year (I know the market is drying up, now but presumably not when the decision was made...)

    At least until recently there were three spare SG units sitting around and I don't imagine new inverters would be that significant to require a demonstrator (or three).

    M636C
    Posted: 26 Sep 2014 12:12
      GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Gold Coast QLD

    Found this on the Progress Rail website, they've been doing some uploading of brochures for a few different new locomotives (GT38LC-3, SD70ACe-BB, SD70ACe/LCi, SD70ACe/LW, PR22L). The ACe/LW and ACe-BB appear to be aimed at Brazil/South America mainly but this ACe/LW is most interesting mainly because of the cab. EMD has something like 8 export designs now that are for lighter axle load, smaller loading gauge markets so it may only be a matter of time before the GT46C-ACe reappears in the 'Gen-2' form as shown at Ausrail.
    Posted: 26 Sep 2014 12:25
      Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

    It looks exactly like the mock-up that was at Ausrail last year (and it might be at Ausrail this year too...) It didn't have the fatigue device, which might be new.

    Three demonstrators...

    Where have I heard that before?

    I wonder what gauge they will be...

    They were pushing a 1067 mm GT46C-ACe last year (I know the market is drying up, now but presumably not when the decision was made...)

    At least until recently there were three spare SG units sitting around and I don't imagine new inverters would be that significant to require a demonstrator (or three).

    M636C
    "M636C"


    I'd be betting narrow gauge...Aurizon has announced an annual $600-million cap ex budget for 2015, 2016 & 2017 and the current sell off of older Clydes has been causing loco shortages in North Queensland while the diesel only Newlands line has seen a surge of new traffic in the last few months despite downturns elsewhere...so new narrow gauge diesel orders will be happening soon. It would seem pretty pointless to build standard gauge demonstrators when Aurizon, PN and G&W are already operating similar or identical models. Aurizon will certainly be looking for a new generation design for its 26.5-tonne axle load network in the next couple of years, which will then free up more 4000/4100s for the Mt isa and North Coast Lines.

    Additional caveats -
    1. The GVK Hancock/Aurizon consortium will be in the market for around forty new locos for their narrow gauge Galilee Basin line - which is by no means locked in yet.

    2. EMD will have lots of spare capacity next year so will be keen to make a deal.

    3. And then there's the growing possibility of shut downs in the Mid-West WA iron ore region - which might mean ACN/4100s coming back to Queensland and ending the current loco shortages.

    Still, I hope someone tells EMD their cab mockup has the driving position on the wrong side for Aurizon's QLD operations.
    Posted: 26 Sep 2014 14:47

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      M636C Minister for Railways


    Found this on the Progress Rail website, they've been doing some uploading of brochures for a few different new locomotives (GT38LC-3, SD70ACe-BB, SD70ACe/LCi, SD70ACe/LW, PR22L). The ACe/LW and ACe-BB appear to be aimed at Brazil/South America mainly but this ACe/LW is most interesting mainly because of the cab. EMD has something like 8 export designs now that are for lighter axle load, smaller loading gauge markets so it may only be a matter of time before the GT46C-ACe reappears in the 'Gen-2' form as shown at Ausrail.
    GT46C-ACe

    The gauge shown is 1520 mm and the loco is more than 22m long.

    It appears to be a GT46C-ACe made from standard SD70 ACe components (presumably for more economical contruction on production lines where the SD70 ACe is already made.

    I think this is intended to be a competitor the the GE boxcab "GEVO" ES44 derivative currently sold in (I think) Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan (and Russia if they get lucky).

    M636C
    Posted: 26 Sep 2014 16:07
      jmt Deputy Commissioner

    Of the brochures released most of the locos exist, or are in build

    DCD at Boksburg in South Africa (morphed out of the old GE/Dorman Long loco building JV), is building 13 GT38 LC-3 under license for Tanzania Railways

    There are 55 of the GT38AC now in Indonesia, with a further unspecified number under build at Muncie for CFCO in the Congo Republic, this model is due to go into production in Brazil late this year

    Botswana Railways have between 15 and 18 of the GT42AC on order to be built in Muncie. Plus there are SD42AC-R prototypes currently under construction at Muncie, with delivery due by the end of this year
    http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/traction-rolling-stock/single-view/view/emd-locomotives-to-be-tested-in-russia.html

    Muncie is currently building an additional batch of GT46AC for Gabon, which will bring the number with Comilog in that country to close to 20, plus the 7 with Ferronor in Chile, SRO's 10, plus at least 2 NG demonstrators in Brazil, due to go into production in Brazil next year

    The SD80ACe is now in production in Brazil, and prototypes with the same mechanicals in an extended GT46MAC frame from DLW, circulating in Indiahttp://www.railjournal.com/index.php/locomotives/indias-most-powerful-diesel-ready-soon.html

    Ferromex and Ferrosur in Mexico have 19 SD70ACe on order for delivery in June 2015. The Tier 4 requirement is only applicable to locos delivered in the USA. The SD70ACe is also in production at Progress Rail's Sete Lagoas plant in Brazil

    The SD70ECe/LW is 5' gauge so obviously aimed at the Russian market

    MGE Brazil is also building a low HP B-B genset based on the Tasmanian PR22L, for outer metro passenger use in some of the smaller Brazilian cities
    http://pregopontocom.blogspot.com.au/2014/06/cbtu-comeca-faze-de-testes-da-1.html


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOOAvPqt7hM

    Is anyone is able to confirm the rumour that the 232 Cape gauge units ordered by Transnet from CNR Dalian, will have a 16-710 and EMD alternator?
    Posted: 26 Sep 2014 16:28

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      GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Gold Coast QLD
    My Brazilian contact says there's an order for SD80ACes for Vale but they haven't been built. Same story since mid last year. They are building SD70ACe/45s tho, just an SD80ACe with a 16-710 in them.
    Posted: 26 Sep 2014 16:48
      jmt Deputy Commissioner

    My Brazilian contact says there's an order for SD80ACes for Vale but they haven't been built. Same story since mid last year. They are building SD70ACe/45s tho, just an SD80ACe with a 16-710 in them.
    GT46C-ACe

    Apologies

    This photo is incorrectly captioned http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3239429
    I was under the impression that the 21 units for Eldorado were SD80ACe, cross checked with the article on Brazil built locos in Latin Tracks #40 July 2013, and it confirms SD70ACe

    Vale's seven 5'3" gauge examples were built in North America

    Hopefully this spread on the Vale units is correctly captioned http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?locomotive=EMD%20SD80ACe
    Posted: 26 Sep 2014 17:10
      GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Gold Coast QLD
    When they first showed up (the SD70ACe/45) people confused them for the SD80ACe. It was later confirmed that they were indeed 16-710 powered. Similar units have been delivered to VL! and ALL. Vale has had 23 more SD80ACes on order for what seems the last 2 years now...supposedly plans for even more once that huge new mine is running at it's full output.


    I found this one to be the more interesting of the lot. Pretty clearly a ES40BBi competitor.
    Posted: 26 Sep 2014 18:47
      M636C Minister for Railways


    Botswana Railways have between 15 and 18 of the GT42AC on order to be built in Muncie. Plus there are SD42AC-R prototypes currently under construction at Muncie, with delivery due by the end of this year
    http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/traction-rolling-stock/single-view/view/emd-locomotives-to-be-tested-in-russia.html
    jmt


    I'm not sure whether someone has forgotten how the system works....

    But an export locomotive, even to Russia, should be a GT42C(W)R - AC(e)

    Where 42 = 12 (number of cylinders) + 30 (indicating 710G engine)

    If it were a domestic locomotive, it would be:

    An SD69 AC(e) where 69 was 70 (for the 16-710G) minus 1 (for the 12-710G)

    But SD42AC-R isn't correct for either system.

    Maybe something was lost in translation between La Grange and Muncie....


    M636C
    Posted: 26 Sep 2014 21:21
      M636C Minister for Railways

    Rather than start a new thread....

    Does anyone know where LDP001 to LDP009 are right now?

    They don't seem to be leading any trains.....

    Have Aurizon stopped using them?

    M636C
    Posted: 01 Oct 2014 11:44
      Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

    Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
    Rather than start a new thread....

    Does anyone know where LDP001 to LDP009 are right now?

    They don't seem to be leading any trains.....

    Have Aurizon stopped using them?

    M636C
    M636C


    They're still with Aurizon, a couple went out on 4MB7 tonight

    http://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/bunbury-street/photo/15222365738
    Posted: 01 Oct 2014 19:24
      M636C Minister for Railways

    They're still with Aurizon, a couple went out on 4MB7 tonight

    http://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/bunbury-street/photo/15222365738
    Greensleeves


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    Ah, I see...

    Something about analog radios still being used.

    I don't get to see them often. I'll make a point of looking for them on Sunday.

    M636C
    Posted: 01 Oct 2014 20:00

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      ALCO4401 Train Controller

    Location: On the Branch waiting for a train order, west of Tarana
    They're still with Aurizon, a couple went out on 4MB7 tonight

    http://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/bunbury-street/photo/15222365738
    Greensleeves

    LDP006 departed as third unit from Perth yesterday on 3PM1. She spent over a week in Forrestfield before heading back. She did do a turn thru the wheel lathe whilst she was here.
    Posted: 02 Oct 2014 00:16

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      K-Class Chief Train Controller

    Location: Melbourne
    The LDP's have been popping up on the MP1/PM1 services fairly regularly over the past month. Generally they travel as the second or third unit but LDP004 did lead 6008 and G516 from Melbourne to Adelaide on 5MP1 back on the 17th of September.

    Matt
    Posted: 03 Oct 2014 10:11
      GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Gold Coast QLD

    Anyone got any idea what EMDX 0001 is for? It appears to have the same details as BHPB/FMGs SD70ACe/lcs. Demonstrator?
    Posted: 18 Oct 2014 22:32
      speedemon08 Mary

    Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
    Anyone got any idea what EMDX 0001 is for? It appears to have the same details as BHPB/FMGs SD70ACe/lcs. Demonstrator?
    GT46C-ACe

    You seem to be russian into things Wink

    Nah, in all seriousness I hear its headed to Russia.
    Posted: 19 Oct 2014 00:25
      GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Gold Coast QLD
    It's not an SD42AC-R then is it? Curious they'd call it something different if it's a SD70ACe (or modification thereof).
    Posted: 19 Oct 2014 01:05
      jmt Deputy Commissioner

    It's not an SD42AC-R then is it? Curious they'd call it something different if it's a SD70ACe (or modification thereof).
    GT46C-ACe

    http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/traction-rolling-stock/single-view/view/emd-locomotives-to-be-tested-in-russia.html

    Several different reports in railway press but all are quoting SD42AC-R, some are assuming that the 42 = 12-710, and others that it represents the HP. Now that PR own EMD, I guess that it is their prerogative to call it whatever they please, and bugga La Grange's historic nomenclature protocols. Though it will obviously take foamers time to adjust and to accept anything new
    Posted: 19 Oct 2014 10:04
      Shacks Ghanzel

    Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
    I had the chance to ask the crew on a Tahmoor Coalie recently how the 93s go compared to the previously loaned TTs . They reckon the 93s don't dance around or buck and kick as much as the TTs did starting the loaded trains . Speed wise they think the 93s may have a very slight edge but fairly similar generally .
    BDA

    I don't have a problem with the TT's bucking or kicking, but there is a certain way you have to drive them to prevent it. I have shown drivers who do get the buck and kick how I get them going and they always mention they were never shown that, yet it is in the EDI manual for the TT's.....
    We haven't had the 93's on the lead in the Hunter yet, but the 92 that is leading them seams to run a bit better than having 3 92's.
    Posted: 20 Oct 2014 16:41
      Shacks Ghanzel

    Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
    Re the mock up of the cab, that looks very similar to the one I have seen photo's of that is here in Australia, but the one I have seen has the controls turned more towards the driver and the back of it is tilted up a bit.
    Posted: 20 Oct 2014 16:46
      piepants Chief Train Controller

    Location: Newcastle
    To get back on topic...

    A friend reported seeing a GWA (ie orange with black stripes) at Cardiff last week.
    He also saw LDP 012 in blue and white.

    Is the GWA one back from SA/NT or is it one of the other LDPs repainted?

    M636C
    M636C

    Late reply I know, but none of the GWAs have been back at Cardiff. Was your friend sure it was orange and black, and not yellow and black (i.e. SSR001 and SSR002, which were undergoing software testing around that time just prior to delivery)...
    Posted: 21 Oct 2014 16:17

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