Japan and China are keen to see high-speed rail on east coast

 

News article: Japan and China are keen to see high-speed rail on east coast

Japan and Chinese interests are lobbying for a high-speed service on Australia's east coast, even though the project has receded from the political agenda, according to Canberra Airport.

  waynes Junior Train Controller

Location: Victoria
Japan and Chinese interests are lobbying for a high-speed service on Australia's east coast, even though the project has receded from the political agenda, according to Canberra Airport.

The airport's planning director, Noel McCann, said that during Japan's trade delegation to Australia earlier this year a third of the passengers aboard a chartered plane were visiting in relation to the project, which proposes linking Brisbane to Melbourne with a high speed train, and the first leg between Canberra and Sydney.

Mr McCann said Chinese business interests were also continuing and Transport NSW was looking at the Sydney-Canberra corridor.

Meanwhile, the Australasian Railway Association has convened an international panel of speakers from Japan, France, China and Spain to speak, on October 27 at Parliament House, on the economic, social and environmental benefits of high-speed rail.
Japan and China are keen to see high-speed rail on east coast


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Let the Chinese or Japanese or a combination come in and fund and build the network.  They will make it work to the benefit of all Australians.  Would not trust abbott to deliver a pizza.

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  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
No sh1t Sherlock ! Well they're not Australian tax payers, so they don't have to pay eleventy squillion for it.

Political Trolling aside, I'd like a shiney new train set too, just so long as I don't have to pay for it!
  waynes Junior Train Controller

Location: Victoria
But this is thr right way to do it.  Have the Chinese or the Japanese take the investment risk (olike the power companies do now) and build and operate the infrastructure.  After a period the infrastructure should go to the federal government.

This is the ONLY way we are going to get quality investment and infrastructure into this country which desperately requires it.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
But this is thr right way to do it. Have the Chinese or the Japanese take the investment risk (olike the power companies do now) and build and operate the infrastructure. After a period the infrastructure should go to the federal government.

This is the ONLY way we are going to get quality investment and infrastructure into this country which desperately requires it.
waynes

I seams you do not understand the numbers Involved In the project your talking up.

The project your talking up will never covers It's running costs, let alone It's capital costs, making It a dud Investment from day one.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I seams you do not understand the numbers Involved In the project your talking up.

The project your talking up will never covers It's running costs, let alone It's capital costs, making It a dud Investment from day one.
Nightfire


We should be requesting evidence from you at this point with this bold statement and not a link to the Utopia episode on ABC a few weeks ago.

Especially if the 'risk' if any is being borne from outside of Australia's economy as may be the case.

Mike.
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
We should be requesting evidence from you at this point with this bold statement and not a link to the Utopia episode on ABC a few weeks ago.

Especially if the 'risk' if any is being borne from outside of Australia's economy as may be the case.

Mike.
The Vinelander

The stage two report made the financial situation quite clear.  It actually suggested running costs would be covered, but not capital costs - not even close.

I'd like to see some evidence that the risk would be borne outside Australia's economy.  No where in that article does it suggest that China and Japan are willing to fund the project.  I suspect that is just a delusion of the original poster.

Of course you would absolutely expect countries that have a large rail manufacturing industry to be keen to see Australia ultimately spend its own money on this sort of rail infrastructure, because it is probable that those countries will get a piece of the manufacturing action.  Why people think this is remarkable is beyond me.  Turn it around the other way - imagine China said "we are thinking about buying some wheat".  What do you think would be the response of the relevant parts of the Australian government and business - "Don't be silly - bread is fattening"?

If "people" were collectively willing to fund it with their own money (versus funding it with someone else's money) then you'd probably find this project would have happened years ago (I also suspect it would have gone bust years ago, but lets not get cause and effect confused).  But the reality is that while everyone says it is just such an awesome idea - no one (collectively) actually wants to pay for it!
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
A tunnel through the Australian Alps, similar to the Gotthard Base Tunnel railway in the Swiss Alps would be a better option than HSR. It would substantially cut travel time off the journey between Melbourne and Canberra. Construct this tunnel then contemplate HSR at a later date.
wxtre

Yay, way to go!!

Just humour me by detailing why you would want to use a route that will costs billions more when a flatter route already exists to the west or east of the Great Dividing Range (not Australian Alps by the way).

The other thing that amuses me is the idea that the first stage of any HSR should be from Canberra to Sydney? Why? There is far more potential traffic from Sydney to Melbourne than to Canberra. And the only people riding the train between Canberra and Sydney would be government employees who would not be paying for the ride, no sir! We would be paying their fare as taxpayers.
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
With an XPT train with average speed of 70km/h it would take 4 hours and 34 minutes traveling from Albury-Canberra via Yass at 250km/h for a distance of 320km. It would take 3 hours and 25 minutes traveling from Albury-Canberra via Kyeamba/Tumut at a distance of 240km.

That is a time saving of 1 hour and 11 minutes with the tunnel. Which is significant.
wxtre

How long does it take to go from Albury to Canberra in a Bombardier Dash-8 Q400?

How long does it take to go from Melbourne to Canberra in an Airbus A320?

For the cost of your tunnel ($10 billion?), you could buy and operate a nice little fleet of either of those for many years, and move just as many people as are likely to catch your faster XPT - without having to charge any of your passengers a cent.

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