Auscision Models Blog

 
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Going by the order form they are $295 each whether I pay now or wait till they get here. Am I reading the order form incorrectly, or did I miss something?

If there is no discount I won't be rushing into an order. Might as well play it safe and wait until they get here.

Best regards,
John
John_Bushell

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  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Going by the order form they are $295 each whether I pay now or wait till they get here. Am I reading the order form incorrectly, or did I miss something?

If there is no discount I won't be rushing into an order. Might as well play it safe and wait until they get here.

Best regards,
John
John_Bushell

Playing it safe is to order now. I think it is a recent trend to limit the numbers of each variant, so if you wait you may miss out.  (noted  several AN3 Ghan locos on the stand Sunday )

If you do not care which  loco you wany, it's a gamble. I have done so letting fate determine if I get a loco.

Regards,
David Head
  a6et Minister for Railways

Looking at photos in the Train Hobby 421 Locomotive Profile Book, some locos across all the paint schemes clearly had white ladders while in other photos they are too grubby to tell what the original colour was.

The one area that does need attention is the area around the exhausts which seems far too prominent but I'd be surprised if Auscision aren't well aware of that.
kingfisher

Those that had white ladders, generally only had them painted on the step fronts themselves.
  a6et Minister for Railways

John.....you "shoulda gone to specsavers".....hahahaha

My order form definitely states $250- each if paid for at time of order or you can pay $100- deposit now and the balance (ie: $195-) on delivery.

Check the 2nd line of red print, below the list of locos being done (on the Order Form proper).

There goes another $500- out of my savings......they now have over $3,500- of my hard-earned dosh and I'm waiting for the delivery of 15 locos from them (plus 3 of the TOR 48s too).
Roachie

How many models of loco's do people need, unless they have some layout the size of some the huge U.S ones?

Having a 6 x 6m garage that goes around the walls, a peninsular & then a run down & up to an underneath level, I recently did a R/S registra, & a locomotive one, not including the few passenger vehicles. After doing the sums, I really do not need a great deal more freight wagons, except perhaps in some specialised areas, & only a few more mail train carriages, even with the additional items of both freight & passenger stuff, I can survive more than ok.

Add 16 locomotives, with 2 on order I can run all of what I want without any more purchases.  However, I do have intentions of getting probably 5 more loco's when & if they come out, then I shut up shop.  Even then around 70% of those loco's will be sitting in the depot doing nothing.

I guess the benefit of a huge amount of loco's means that one should not have any that wear out, & split gears from over use.
  Shazam75 Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
John.....you "shoulda gone to specsavers".....hahahaha

My order form definitely states $250- each if paid for at time of order or you can pay $100- deposit now and the balance (ie: $195-) on delivery.

Check the 2nd line of red print, below the list of locos being done (on the Order Form proper).

There goes another $500- out of my savings......they now have over $3,500- of my hard-earned dosh and I'm waiting for the delivery of 15 locos from them (plus 3 of the TOR 48s too).
Roachie

How do you run 15+ locos on your layout Bill?

Cheers
Shelton
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Those that had white ladders, generally only had them painted on the step fronts themselves.
a6et

42104 Reverse IR  p.16
42109 Original IR  p.37
42110 IR Austerity  p.43
42107 IR Austerity  p.44
42108 IR Austerity  p.44
42105 Candy  p.45

All had white ladders/steps when in those paint schemes but I agree that their is evidence in several photos in the publication to support what you say.
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
How do you run 15+ locos on your layout Bill?

Cheers
Shelton
Shazam75

Shelton,

My current loco roster is around 25, so I will end up with around 43 when all the ones pending are received.

Like A6ET said (above), it is not my intention to have all locos running at the same time.......although my NCE system should have the grunt to do so if I wanted to AND if I could physically manage the workload involved with running that many locos.

My shed is 40' x 25' (12m x 7.5m for the youngsters on here) and covers 2 levels plus another lower-level branch terminus. I think there's about 800 feet of track from memory. I like to run several triple headers at a time. I love watching the layout updates of David Head.....his layout is what I would like mine to be like, but mine is nowhere near as large from I can tell from his videos.

I "need" a shunter in each yard....the only branch line locos I currently have are 2x 47 and 1x 49. The 48s will be used for both branch line work (possibly in quad format) as well as shunting duties.

I don't have any mates to assist me operate my layout, so I usually end up having one train running slowly in one direction semi-continuously (ie: I will monitor it and occasionally alter what it is doing), whilst I faff-about shunting and forming-up/breaking-up trains on some particular part of the layout.

However, what generally happens is that I will find some "urgent" per-way work that needs doing and will suspend all train operations whilst this job is attended to. Sometimes this results in a major re-build of a section of the layout when my brain twigs to the fact that there is a better way of achieving a desired result. Even today, thinking about the pending arrival of the 48s, I've worked out that I need to install a short siding near my wheat terminus, where I can store a 48 for shunting these sidings.....otherwise I'd have to bring one down from a neighbouring yard area.

I have a couple of loco areas, the larger of which has a 90 foot turntable with 17 roads radiating (plus the 4 approach/departure roads). Some of these roads are long enough to store 2 locos and 3 of them are available for my 3 Garratts.....which have to go straight across the t/table as they are too long to be turned on it. The other t/table is only 60 foot long and is at a branch terminus. There are 2 "reverse loops", one of which is a triangle....so if I need to turn a Garratt I can do that without needing a turntable.

I have a vivid imagination....necessary as there is no scenery except for a scratchbuilt goods shed and a plastic suburban station building.....neither of which is fixed in a position.

Anyway, I've run-off at the mouth again just trying to answer your question about why I need so many locos.

Roachie
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
John.....you "shoulda gone to specsavers".....hahahaha

My order form definitely states $250- each if paid for at time of order or you can pay $100- deposit now and the balance (ie: $195-) on delivery.

Check the 2nd line of red print, below the list of locos being done (on the Order Form proper).

There goes another $500- out of my savings......they now have over $3,500- of my hard-earned dosh and I'm waiting for the delivery of 15 locos from them (plus 3 of the TOR 48s too).
Roachie

Bill,

Not so much Specsavers as a place where one learns to not be a twat.  I didn't open the order form - was just looking at the brochure!  What a dummy!

Best regards,
John
  Shazam75 Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Very nice Bill - plenty of varied action to keep you busy and the interest alive.

Cheers
Shelton
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
And here's hoping the Auscision 421 class expands into the future to become an Auscision GM and VR S class etc. God knows we need it. Traino seems to be asleep at the wheel and or dropped the ball. S class sold out for how long now........... WTF???

Then, the complete and utter failure and supersession of Trainorama will be complete.8)

Whilst having their product releases speak for themselves, the new Auscision business motto would appear to be that "anything you can do, we can do BETTER!!".
Their latest 2 releases being a point in case. Whilst the seris 1 X is not even here yet, bet you the series 2 and 3 X from them wont be beyond 2016 either. Customers want the same engineering and paint colours etc, yada yady yada
Plenty of Austrains stuff ripe for re doing, and they're not the only ones either...

Regards
  a6et Minister for Railways

And here's hoping the Auscision 421 class expands into the future to become an Auscision GM and VR S class etc. God knows we need it. Traino seems to be asleep at the wheel and or dropped the ball. S class sold out for how long now........... WTF???

Then, the complete and utter failure and supersession of Trainorama will be complete.8)

Whilst having their product releases speak for themselves, the new Auscision business motto would appear to be that "anything you can do, we can do BETTER!!".
Their latest 2 releases being a point in case. Whilst the seris 1 X is not even here yet, bet you the series 2 and 3 X from them wont be beyond 2016 either. Customers want the same engineering and paint colours etc, yada yady yada
Plenty of Austrains stuff ripe for re doing, and they're not the only ones either...

Regards
davesvline

& if all of that does eventuate, & you can leap for joy when they finally take over & all competition has been removed, what then & what price? maybe tears of sorrow at prices you wont believe.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
& if all of that does eventuate, & you can leap for joy when they finally take over & all competition has been removed, what then & what price? maybe tears of sorrow at prices you wont believe.
a6et

Be that as it may my good man. Be that as it may.

You may be onto something there. BUT........ That which is screaming re run, and hasn't been is ripe for the picking by someone else Traino models point in case here. That which is a faily old tooling standard by todays offerings, is absolutely ripe for the picking. Early Austrains models particularly. Should the original manufacturer of the item be found napping by the market, when there's been ample opportunity to update or improve on their original - roll the dice. Dont sook if/when you get white anted by someone offering a shmick version at todays expected standard.

I personally would be happy in 2015 to pay $350-$375 for a C class that is THE absolute ducks guts, by comparision to the 1997 Austrains offering (now relegated to the "basix" range). I'd pay the same for a rerun S class without the Traino bogie drama, for the same price too. That's just me, but I'm certain others would agree. I also submit that Auscision are the team to do it. Let them research the market, and make releases as they see fit. 48 class point in case............

Each to their own as to what a model is worth. Those manufacturers who dont make a crap model have nothing to fear (you see anyone offering a rerun Auscision model--- why is that??). Those who keep pace with market trends by updating their product are smarter for doing so. I submit that those who can master neither, suffer the consequences or be overtaken by someone willing to offer what the market demands. The market will ultimately dictate the price of a model, and like everything, no one is obliged to buy it either if the price is deemed to be unfair.

I doubt the tears of sorrow you mention will eventuate since most worth doing has been or is scheduled to be released. I base this on the number of double ups and concurrent releases of the same item as proof. Whilst many of the smaller run items have yet to eventuate, this seems to be a bit od a niche for the smaller players of late who seem to be offering a very good quality at good price (OTM and SDS)
Regards
  ed31880 Train Controller

Out of curiosity, can anyone tell me what new models Auscision have actually released in the last 12-18 months and how this compares to other manufacturers.  They seem to be promising lots but not sure what they have actually delivered.
  M636C Minister for Railways

And here's hoping the Auscision 421 class expands into the future to become an Auscision GM and VR S class etc. God knows we need it.
davesvline

The Auscision EMD nose is not as accurate as the Trainorama EMD nose.

If you really are happy with slightly incorrect models, great...

Some of us want models that are the right shape.

M636C
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Did anyone askAuscision about car carrying wagons at the show ?????

Regards,
David Head

(edited to carry  not fry....)
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

I do not personally derive happiness in the inevitably of paying $350-375 for a RTR loco

HOWEVER, in Auscision's case at least the amount of releases on the horizon with a pre-paid pre-order price of $250 creates no sense of panic within me

Just how many un-modelled loco's will remain by the time these inflationary pressures kick in beyond this anyway?
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
And here's hoping the Auscision 421 class expands into the future to become an Auscision GM and VR S class etc. God knows we need it. Traino seems to be asleep at the wheel and or dropped the ball. S class sold out for how long now........... WTF???
............

Regards
davesvline

Sounds like someone didn't order a V/Line S at the right time, and I agree re the nose, Trainorama is better than Auscision.

Mark
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Out of curiosity, can anyone tell me what new models Auscision have actually released in the last 12-18 months and how this compares to other manufacturers. They seem to be promising lots but not sure what they have actually delivered.
ed31880

I'd rather look ahead to what's coming in the next few months with no fewer than seven new locos (inc. the XPT) and judging by the painted samples on show at Liverpool each will be streets ahead of Austrains latest offering.
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
I'd rather look ahead to what's coming in the next few months with no fewer than seven new locos (inc. the XPT) and judging by the painted samples on show at Liverpool each will be streets ahead of Austrains latest offering.
kingfisher

KF, I think the point of old mate's post might have been attempting to assess the credibility of the promise of all those deliveries in the next few months.  I am not suggesting one way or t'other, but many would caution trust in a sudden increase in rate of delivery.

Anyhow, as long as they come up with my 45s and 421 and 43 I will be a happy punter.  I have been waiting so long for a couple of others that a few months here or there from Auscision will no worry me to be honest.

Best regards,
John
  AdelaideHills Station Staff

Location: Southwestern Germany
Hi Folks,

I made some research to see pictures of 42103 in QRN livery but most pictures show the road number on the side wall of the driver cab. Auscision answered on Faceake that they do it without in the first days of this new paint scheme but can anybody answer me how long this lasted? For me it's strange because their prototype picture on the 421 class product page also shows the added road number on the side. I would wish that they post a picture of exactly the version which they'll produce.

And that they slow down with the announcement rush and deliver us some products before some more will get announced...
Anyway I appreciate their efforts and I'm looking forward to some nice loco modells "coming soon" - when they arrive one day!
And I don't give up hoping to get an AN 600 class!

Thomas
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
I do not personally derive happiness in the inevitably of paying $350-375 for a RTR loco

HOWEVER, in Auscision's case at least the amount of releases on the horizon with a pre-paid pre-order price of $250 creates no sense of panic within me

Just how many un-modelled loco's will remain by the time these inflationary pressures kick in beyond this anyway?
gw0071

It's funny isn't it??? I've been involved in this hobby since about 1970 as a modeler (and plenty of years before that as a kid who just loved his Triang train set).

Back in the 70's I jumped at the opportunity to spend around the same amount of cash ($350- to $400-) on a so-called RTR model of a steam loco....several in fact. These were UNPAINTED brass steam locos of the NSWGR and we were bloody pleased to see them on the market and never gave a second thought to spending 2 to 3 months' salary on one loco. They were state-of-the-art for their time.....but they needed to be painted (I think some of them were factory painted, but I never spent the extra dosh to buy one like that) and they were all of the "half-live" electrical pick-up variety; even the diesels (of which I wasn't interested in those days).

If we can get past the old mental block that dictated: "BRASS IS KING", then today we have access to many and varied models, infinitely better detailed and of better running qualities (all wheel pick-up/drive for the growlers) and the asking amount is the same......meaning it's less than one weeks salary for anybody.....even those that us tax-payers are paying to be on the dole!!!

On somebody else's post on this page (can't recall the bloke's name), mention was made that the shape of Auscision's 421 class nose is not as good as Trainorama's 42 class. WTF!!!!!???? Some people simply cannot be pleased!!! Here's a clue....if you don't like; don't buy the effing thing!!!

Roachie
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Did anyone askAuscision about car carfrier wagons at the show ?????

Regards,
David Head
dthead

Which state ran (or still runs) CAR CARFRIER wagons??? Is that deep fried or shallow fried?? Wink
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Which state ran (or still runs) CAR CARFRIER wagons??? Is that deep fried or shallow fried?? Wink
Roachie

Must have mixed the school og knowledge train with a cooking oil tanker perhaps Wink

Anyone know , re the real wagons we all have discussed a page or two back?

Regards,
David Head

ps edited my mistake BTW
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Sounds like someone didn't order a V/Line S at the right time, and I agree re the nose, Trainorama is better than Auscision.

Mark
LaidlayM

I got both mate. Laughing

I told Traino at the time they should have done 4 numbers in V/Line, but they did 2.
And what happened......... These two went like poop through a goose, whereas the VR numbers took a lot longer to sell out. Traino clearly got their livery ratio wrong when specifying with the factory what they wanted made.

I'm very happy with what I got from them, but I'd really like another number or 2 had they been offered. Most people i know who got the V/Line ones wanted at least another 1 extra, and plenty missed out entirely, purely because not enough were made of them and they sold so fast.

Yet - no re run

Regards

PS - happy for Auscision to do them, considering all the liveries beyond V/Liine that could be done. Supposed nose issues considered
  Albert Chief Commissioner

I recall reading somewhere that TOR have announced an S class re run after the 48's are done and that the chassis had to be modified to accommodate the new motor.

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