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      sandown Chief Commissioner

    Location: sydney
    The only real notable difference between them and the other guards/box vans is the inclusion of red marker lights, which surely wouldn't double the cost?
    meh

    Maybe the pricing mechanics has more to do with the projected volume being only a third of that of a box van.

    The degree of detail in the underfloor alone of a CP van is far greater than any box van plus vans don't have windows or marker lights.

    The tooling costs for this model must be quite significant and knowing Auscisons love for high detail and paint variations, the production costs for such low volumes must be extreme.

    Bring on the JCPs I say.
    Posted: 10 Nov 2014 08:36

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      comtrain Chief Commissioner

    Location: Near Albury Wodonga
    Maybe the pricing mechanics has more to do with the projected volume being only a third of that of a box van.

    The degree of detail in the underfloor alone of a CP van is far greater than any box van plus vans don't have windows or marker lights.

    The tooling costs for this model must be quite significant and knowing Auscisons love for high detail and paint variations, the production costs for such low volumes must be extreme.

    Bring on the JCPs I say.
    sandown

    I would have to agree sandown,
    My biggest problem is created by the need of these manufacturers to force me to buy three packs to get the three variations I want.
    So my friends should look forward to approaches from me, about their arrival time as I try to offload the three unneeded vans.
    Cheers
    Rod
    Posted: 11 Nov 2014 00:43
      wat700 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Richmond, NSW
    Cut away valance T Class T1 Product Page up and running. Can't get the link to work.
    Posted: 11 Nov 2014 18:10

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      a6et Minister for Railways

    There must be some reason why that price for them, though I can't see why it's nearly the price of three Austrain's C van for two lit CP's. Could it be an early appearance of the China wage hike or something else?

    I've probably got enough guards vans at the moment and would like a re-run of certain sold-out VR items.
    ARodH

    To cover the discounted costs of other models, & prepare for the next run of the 20% pay increases that take affect from Feb next year, stage 2 of 5, & probably counting.
    Posted: 12 Nov 2014 11:24
      2LaGrange Train Controller

    To cover the discounted costs of other models, & prepare for the next run of the 20% pay increases that take affect from Feb next year, stage 2 of 5, & probably counting.
    a6et

    I do not see how a small volume product like this van could ever subsidise their other large volume projects such as 48 class locos at $220.00,45s,421s ect ect at $250.

    Auscision have plenty of form for keeping prices low on pre orders for locos and wagons and there is no sign of this not continuing or Chinese wage rises affecting their product prices.

    The vans are $250.00 after delivery price and may well be $200.00 on pre order but we will have to wait for when the order forms to come out.

    As others have stated already the after delivery $250 price is a reflection of the low run volume expected to recover the cost of tooling with vans complete with details like full interior and working marker lights,neither of which any other Gaurds/brake van ready to run from any manufacturer has come with.

    All Auscisions locos are $250 pre order and most wagons are $220 pre order,CE vans were $125 each when they came out so par for the course with Auscision at the moment as far as pricing goes.
    Posted: 12 Nov 2014 13:50
      bagus70 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Wanting to revisit Australia again.
    2014 is almost over, yet Auscision haven't even released their model of C44ACi. Why? Was it because of newer and more attractive liveries, such as those on MRL and FIE locos?
    Posted: 14 Nov 2014 01:23
      FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

    2014 is almost over, yet Auscision haven't even released their model of C44ACi. Why? Was it because of newer and more attractive liveries, such as those on MRL and FIE locos?
    bagus70

    I'd grab a pair of FIE's if they do them, they look great.

    Paul
    Posted: 14 Nov 2014 10:58
      GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    No painted samples have been shown so these seem like they're set for a 2015 release (unless they show up between now and Christmas).
    Posted: 14 Nov 2014 12:39
      ed31880 Train Controller

    2014 is almost over, yet Auscision haven't even released their model of C44ACi. Why? Was it because of newer and more attractive liveries, such as those on MRL and FIE locos?
    bagus70

    2014 is getting very close to being over and there are quite a few models they are yet to deliver let alone the new models they keep announcing.  They appear to be getting quite cunning, on some models they have advertised on their site they have listed them as a future release without specifying when (which year) they will release them.  Perhaps this is to get in first, ahead of other manufacturers and avoid a double up like they had with On Track and the VLX/BLX model and claim the remaining popular rollingstock that no one has modelled yet?
    Posted: 14 Nov 2014 16:42
      Iain Chief Commissioner

    Location: Concord, NSW
    Well it is probably a cash flow situation I would guess that 5 models per year would be around $1 million to cover their production and this would need to be carefully managed to pay for things as they came up.

    Iain
    Posted: 14 Nov 2014 18:21
      speedemon08 Mary

    Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
    I've reckon they've held back the C44 in lieu of releasing other models, more so because I think of the extra liveries.
    Posted: 14 Nov 2014 18:40
      5711 Assistant Commissioner

    A few more painted samples on Auscision FB page of 421's:
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Auscision-Models/136260326407914
    Posted: 16 Nov 2014 06:12
      sydneyshortnorth Train Controller

    Location: On the 1 in 40.
    I've reckon they've held back the C44 in lieu of releasing other models, more so because I think of the extra liveries.
    speedemon08

    A little while ago I wrote in this forum that I was totally over all the teasing and speculation about what Auscision might or might not produce for us soon or at some time in the future.

    Now, with some embarrassment, I find myself actually missing the banter and entertaining ideas that used to follow every post on Auscision’s FB page or in the firm’s own blog. The news-flow from Seven Hills seems to have slowed right down lately, with just a few pictures on FB but not much comment, and no posting at all on Auscision’s News Blog since the ‘going away’ message put up on 9 October.

    Also, there seems to have been only selective updating of the firm’s website. For example, while the new T Class variations and the latest rolling stock items are listed on the ‘Products’ page, the Class 48/830 project isn’t there, despite relevant Order Forms being already available.

    Interestingly though, a ‘Coming Soon’ notice has appeared in the ‘Products’ page under ‘Locomotives’. There’s another one in the ‘Freight Rolling Stock’ space.

    I’m surprised these notices haven’t led to a new bout of speculation here and/or elsewhere. The ‘Coming Soon’ locomotive could simply be the Class 48/830 project but what if it’s a new unannounced model. Like what?

    To liven things up a bit, how about this for an idea?

    With the unexplained delay that seems to be happening with the C43/44aci model, which I’m sure many of us are hanging out for, I’m just wondering if something else, perhaps something a bit similar and using the same mechanism, might be in development on the back of that project.

    In all the debate this year about ‘good, better, best’ models of various locomotive types from different importers I’ve been surprised not to see any clamour, or even a single request for Auscision to develop an ‘absolute best’ model of one of Australia’s most numerous and common classes, seen regularly in all the states except Tasmania. I know there’s a final swansong re-run promised for December from the importer of the current and highly successful model of this type, but it’s unclear whether it will offer any tooling upgrade or mechanism enhancement from the previous edition.

    Personally, I think it would be a great shame if this re-release was upstaged by another importer in a ‘shock and awe’ announcement over Christmas/New Year, but what might be the chances of a state-of-the-art NR Class coming from Auscision, especially if it could use the same mechanism that’s presumably being assembled for the C43/44aci?

    Steve
    Posted: 16 Nov 2014 16:18
      5711 Assistant Commissioner

    Whats interesting is that with the apparent 'wind down' of Austrains loco releases - not confirmed but just an observation, there is a potential gap & opportunity for such loco's as the NR,442,C etc too be released. Auscision have already tested the waters too gauge interest in such projects but that does not mean anything concrete.
    Also with the apparent displeasure with the Austrains 81 release, another opportunity has arisen for a potential target.

    I enjoyed the banter too - I guess its only a matter of time before it starts again - but then again, there are so many releases heading our way that we maybe on the threshold of over saturation where people just can not keep up.

    How would a Auscision NR sell? No idea as many folks already have the Austrains one but watching the 421 classes show up on Ebay over the past few months, I am thinking that a mass sell off on ebay would be likely!

    For those who want an Austrains 421 - nows the time to buy. I'll happily wait for the Auscision one.
    Posted: 17 Nov 2014 06:32
      Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

    Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


    Blog has just had 1/2 dozen updates (you might need to force a page refresh if you can't see November updates) - http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/Auscision%20Models%20Blog.htm

    O scale 45 class announced via facebook.
    Posted: 19 Nov 2014 14:09
      5711 Assistant Commissioner

    Thanks Poath -
    That O Scale 45 is beautiful.
    86's should be here this week!!!! Hooray!
    Posted: 19 Nov 2014 19:36
      Piston Train Controller

    Thanks Poath -
    That O Scale 45 is beautiful.
    86's should be here this week!!!! Hooray!
    5711

    86's here this week? I thought the 46 class was announced before the 86 class.

    Does this mean the 86 has leapfrogged the 46 class model?

    Or did I get it mixed up. The 46 class pilots have been around for ages.
    Posted: 19 Nov 2014 19:53
      Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

    Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
    86's here this week? I thought the 46 class was announced before the 86 class.

    Does this mean the 86 has leapfrogged the 46 class model?

    Or did I get it mixed up. The 46 class pilots have been around for ages.
    Piston

    Order of announcing models has little to do with the order of arrival.
    Posted: 19 Nov 2014 21:41
      5711 Assistant Commissioner

    The 86's are due within a week ( or so ) and the 46's are due by Dec/Jan as per rumour!

    I think the 45's might be in there somewhere followed up by 421/43's etc......
    Posted: 19 Nov 2014 23:48
      Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

    Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

    facebook update, lots of weathered 45's to inspire, and confirmation 45's expected to leave China late December.
    Posted: 20 Nov 2014 15:40
      Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

    Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

    86's are here, mailing of models will commence Monday. (info from facebook)
    Posted: 21 Nov 2014 14:45

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      gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

    x156 boxes?
    Posted: 21 Nov 2014 15:35
      Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

    Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

    Silverton 8601, unannounced livery. The blog update states " We only produced a handful of these models so if you wish to order one do so soon. "
    Posted: 21 Nov 2014 18:07
      5711 Assistant Commissioner

    That's another 8601 in this release.
    Silverton sticker looks sharp - a little late for my era but still very cool.
    Would of loved 8601 in candy as the first of the breed.
    Posted: 21 Nov 2014 21:09
      gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

    I think the Silverton 86 is the tip of the iceberg for 'unannounced' models, especially considering the amount of variations on the C43/44 front

    One thing's for certain - considering recent trends I won't be expecting the same EB pricing offer as the announced versions. The hype of a limited batch probably won't make a great difference to a rapid sale rate regardless

    Sounds like a complaint of sorts however, with the amount of new release announcements from Auscision over the next twelve months, a saving of $45 per loco makes a substantial difference to decision making/purchasing power

    In the case of 8601, IMHO it just doesn't have enough attraction as a unique loco to justify paying full price for. None of the blue 86's made the cut for me in the first place. Just my opinion mind

    Black Caviar on the other hand...
    Posted: 23 Nov 2014 07:43

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