Dunmore: historic train station's future undecided

 
  wxtre Chief Train Controller

Dunmore: historic train station's future undecided
By  ALEX ARNOLD

Trains will no longer stop at the Dunmore (Shellharbour) station at the end of the year when the new Shellharbour Junction station is opened. Picture: CHRISTOPHER CHAN
What do you do with a historic railway station where trains no longer stop?
Questions have been asked about what will happen to the Dunmore (Shellharbour) railway station when it is replaced by the new $39 million Shellharbour Junction station later this year.
According to the Office of Environment and Heritage, the Dunmore (Shellharbour) railway station is of state historical significance for its rare awningless platform building (1887), milk shed (1891) and the central section of Platform 2, which is among the earliest surviving structures on the South Coast line. The residence (1887) is also of historical significance as it is an example "of late 19th century railway operational requirements to accommodate railway station staff on site".
"The 1925 signal box is a good example of a simple signal box of this period [and is] of added significance as it contains the original signal levers," the heritage assessment said.
Shellharbour MP Anna Watson said Transport Minister Gladys Berejiklian had written to her saying the future uses of the existing Dunmore station buildings was yet to be determined.
Ms Watson said the Shellharbour City community should be involved in any decisions on the future use of the site.
"I will be encouraging the minister not to proceed down a path of ignoring the community's views, or only taking opinions from a select group of individuals as she did on the proposal to name the new station as Shell Cove, only for it to be rejected by the Geographical Names Board," Ms Watson said.
Kiama MP Gareth Ward said if the station structures could be put to use by a museum or rail society it would be a good reuse.
"I don't think state taxpayers would be happy to be paying for the maintenance of assets that are sitting idle," Mr Ward said.
A Transport for NSW spokeswoman said the agency would will secure the site around Dunmore station when Shellharbour Junction is opened.
"Transport for NSW will be consulting with various groups to determine the future use of Dunmore station," the spokeswoman said.
"Our focus at this point is completing the new train station for customers at Shellharbour Junction."

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  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

According to Weekly Notice No.43, the new Shellharbour Junction Station will be opened on the morning of Saturday November 15, with the first train service tabled to stop at 0525 hours.

At the same time Dunmore (Shellharbour) Station will be closed and trains will no longer stop for Passengers.


- Scott.
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
To be bulldozed like everything else historical in NSW.
Future generations will rue the loss, how many boxes have gone in the past ten years, every one of them unique.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
Depending on its current structural state, being timber it could be dismantled and located elsewhere by anyone but certainly NOT State/City Rail or whoever currently owns it, as they have absolutely no interest in anything unless they have to.
The day they removed the Station Master and closed Wallerawang Station, I asked the Assistant General Manager for the Western District what was proposed for the now vacant building and his reply was 'Bulldoze', just the one word, thats all he said!!
Despite my protests he simply wasnt interested in it at all.
The building remained empty for a short period before being used as an office for the contractor involved in the eventual closure of the UP Main, Tarana to Wallerawang and both Signal box's with the operations going to Broadmeadow.
After the contractor moved out, it was leased privately as a Museum, then as a Cafe/Flower shop but due to the death of the lessee, it is now again empty.

If anyone is interested in the building, I would advise them to buy it and remove it from railway land completely because dealing with the Railway and some of their demands and requirements when your near the 'Running Line' are time consuming, frustrating and expensive.
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
Old platforms interfere with track maintenance, it will definitely be in the firing line, if the box has its lever plates and diagram, maybe relocate it.
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
When I saw Dunmore signal box in early 2008, it looked like the day it was decommisioned, the diagram on the wall was still there, all the levers were still painted in correct colours, and the staff instruments were not only still there and intact, they even had blue emergency covers on them still!

The electric staff instuments are also still in place at Albion Park, and the lever frame is still inside the signal box, although they haven't been used since they were decommisioned when electric trains came in 2001 and it all went CTC.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

According to Weekly Notice No.43, the new Shellharbour Junction Station will be opened on the morning of Saturday November 15, with the first train service tabled to stop at 0525 hours.

At the same time Dunmore (Shellharbour) Station will be closed and trains will no longer stop for Passengers.
scott4570


According to Weekly Notice No.45, the changeover, from the old to the new Station, has been deferred by one week to Saturday, November 22.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
Some months back, the Kiama SM (who looks after Dunmore, Minnamurra & Bombo as well as Kiama), very kindly allowed me to take some fairlly extensive photos of the station, including some rarely seen interior views.

I will post these in this thread soon, especially as the possibility of demolition cannot be ruled out sometime in the future.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
To be bulldozed like everything else historical in NSW.
Future generations will rue the loss, how many boxes have gone in the past ten years, every one of them unique.
Junction box

Unfortunately we cannot expect the state to preserve every little thing. Signal boxes, station buildings, bridges, semaphores, engines, wagons, passenger cars....And this is just for railways. What about those marine, aviation.....where does it end?

For me, I'm happy to go to Zig Zag or where ever and look at an example of a signal box.

For those who think this structure is worthy of preservation, now is the time to band together raise the cash and find a suitable home for the longterm, but please don't expect the taxpayer to do this for you, there are limits on how much can be preserved.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
RTT I think you're right, where does it all end, and how much do we (@ the expense of Joe Sixpack/Taxpayer/Voter) preserve.

Having made that admission, I think this one should be preserved, as along with Austinmer, Bulli pl. #2, (parts of) Wollongong, Dapto, Albion Park & Bombo, Dunmore is the only other "original" station left on this line - and the still-extant hulk of the SM's residence there is one of two of its type still surviving, the other being the nicely preserved example at Thirlmere.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
RTT I think you're right, where does it all end, and how much do we (@ the expense of Joe Sixpack/Taxpayer/Voter) preserve.

Having made that admission, I think this one should be preserved, as along with Austinmer, Bulli pl. #2, (parts of) Wollongong, Dapto, Albion Park & Bombo, Dunmore is the only other "original" station left on this line - and the still-extant hulk of the SM's residence there is one of two of its type still surviving, the other being the nicely preserved example at Thirlmere.
wurx

Good points, preserve it by all means. But where would you put it?
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
According to Weekly Notice No.45, the changeover, from the old to the new Station, has been deferred by one week to Saturday, November 22.
scott4570

The same Weekly Notice also states that the old station site will be "secured to prevent public access from this time, but will not be demolished immediately. This portion of the project is still being developed and further advice will be provided at a later date."

So if you wish to take some piccies while station access is still available, better hustle......

I haven't uploaded my previously mentioned recent pix as yet, but here is some older ones:

http://s138.photobucket.com/user/pixwurx/library/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
Good points, preserve it by all means. But where would you put it?
RTT_Rules

Got me there Sad

The old Yallah station building got preserved within the grounds of the ILRMS at Albion Park Rail; having said that, I couldn't imagine which - if any - organisation might put their hand up to preserve Dunmore in a similar manner......
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
Could put it anywhere they want, near the new station, shopping mall, local school or leave it at Dunmore, maybe move it back a few meters from the track so that something is left and put some photo's in it.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
To be bulldozed like everything else historical in NSW.
Future generations will rue the loss, how many boxes have gone in the past ten years, every one of them unique.
Junction box

What about building the new Flinders station in the same architectural style(s) as Shellhabour?

It is noted that at Chatswood, a new portion of island platform architecture was build on a new site to house the old lever frame.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
What about building the new Flinders station in the same architectural style(s) as Shellhabour?

It is noted that at Chatswood, a new portion of island platform architecture was build on a new site to house the old lever frame.
awsgc24

Tiny problem there, it's already been built. And what was originally on the plans as Flinders, then later changed to Shell Cove, is now named Shellharbour Junction.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Tiny problem there, it's already been built. And what was originally on the plans as Flinders, then later changed to Shell Cove, is now named Shellharbour Junction.
wurx

Ironic, given the junction to the quarry is at the former station! Laughing
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
Ironic, given the junction to the quarry is at the former station! Laughing
Raichase

Increases the relevance of the name Bondi Junction, doesn't it? Laughing
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
Got me there Sad

The old Yallah station building got preserved within the grounds of the ILRMS at Albion Park Rail;
wurx


Any chance of a new station being opened at Yallah one year soon? There's a fair bit of new homage around there now - at least it seems that way when looking at the former station site on Google street view.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-34.5408828,150.7868743,3a,75y,115.54h,78.99t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sEdKX1kV8f03lyhm7WWBg0A!2e0
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
Any chance of a new station being opened at Yallah one year soon? There's a fair bit of new homage around there now - at least it seems that way when looking at the former station site on Google street view.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-34.5408828,150.7868743,3a,75y,115.54h,78.99t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sEdKX1kV8f03lyhm7WWBg0A!2e0
Calgully

From our (railbuffs) POV, yes there would be plenty of argument to do just that. But in my estimation, it would take the relevant electorate being reduced to marginal status combined with a big groundswell of resident support/protest to make it happen, irrespective of the very apparent logic.

Meantime, here are some pix of the Dunmore/Shellharbour station, taien in late June this year:

Some inside views of the station building:

[img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore/IMGP2277_zpsc68cd0b2.jpg[/img][img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore/IMGP2280_zps84c87d0d.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore/IMGP2285_zps4f2d26d9.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore/IMGP2298_zpseb0bd5de.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore/IMGP2296_zps5dc77899.jpg[/img]

....and inside the signal box. I am unsure as to what extent Wollongong Signal Box will take over operations of trains emanating from Dunmore Quarry at this stage.

[img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore/IMGP2294_zps64534e7b.jpg[/img]


[img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore/IMGP2292_zpsac6a1e77.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore/IMGP2290_zps63a9a6bb.jpg[/img]

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What might have once been the goods shed shows an interesting variety of sundries:

[img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore/IMGP2302_zps458c8b77.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore/IMGP2301_zpse2091f59.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore/IMGP2300_zpsae378a8d.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore/IMGP2299_zps5caa67aa.jpg[/img]


A brief view of platform #2 between the main station buildings, the signal box and the virtually unused toilet blocks:


A view of the carpark, the roadside of the station buildings and the now truncated section of the perway siding:

[img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore/IMGP2307_zpse786ad32.jpg[/img]

The truncated section of the perway siding:

[img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore/IMGP2304_zps347f95e5.jpg[/img]

Closer view of the truncated end of the perway siding. As of now, the bufferstop is still in place.


[img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore/IMGP2305_zps69a911ab.jpg[/img]

Minimal remaining evidence of where the perway (nee goods siding) once ran.[img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore/IMGP2303_zps148556d5.jpg[/img]
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  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
The station as viewed from a distance.

[img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore/IMGP2312_zps845632bc.jpg[/img]

The  very  rare Station Master's cottage. There is only one other known surviving example of this particular style of architecture/design for an SM's  cottatge still extant, and it is at Thirlmere, where the example has been appropriately preserved.

[img]http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/pixwurx/South%20Coast%20line/Dunmore/IMGP2310_zps040aa3cf.jpg[/img]
  JamesTheDragon Beginner

Location: Somewhere in Southwestern Sydney
They pinched the ticket machine today (or yesterday, alas a day too late to buy one for collection's sake!), likely to fill in at the replacement Shellharbour Junction station.
The placement of the Opal pole on platform 1 was also amusing since it was otherwise plywood and scaffolding. I'm guessing those two in themselves will face a rather different fate as there likely isn't enough time to shift them over. Dunmore's DVA entry was also replaced (in line with the previous closure date?) which caused the guard some confusion.

  Rad Locomotive Fireman

Location: Gerringong NSW
TripView and 131500 still show the first scheduled down train at Shellharbour Junction at 0525 but the up services at 0251 and 0428 will also stop at the new station. I guess it makes sense if anyone parks there in the morning they will need to come back to the same station.
  abesty1 Chief Commissioner

Location: The CityRail Network
Some months back, the Kiama SM (who looks after Dunmore, Minnamurra & Bombo as well as Kiama), very kindly allowed me to take some fairlly extensive photos of the station, including some rarely seen interior views.

I will post these in this thread soon, especially as the possibility of demolition cannot be ruled out sometime in the future.
wurx

Are you able to post these photos?

Or are they the June photos that you posted?

I went to the station today and there was a wire fence placed around it with gates at the carpark: https://www.flickr.com/photos/abesty92/sets/72157648983577180/
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
Scroll back up about halfway and there they are.

Thanks for posting your pix of the newly fenced off Dunmore.

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