An uncertain future - Seymour Railway Heritage Centre (SRHC)

 

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Posted 7 years ago

  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Whats a bit suss is whenever anybody has something positive to say they get shot down, questioned and accused. I got the impression many people werent happy that SRHC was not running tours, yet the few times a tour has been run it isnt good enough, it was better in the past or some other nitpicking. Something is better than nothing, but something never seems to be good enough.

This thread should be titled SRHC - nothing is ever good enough.

Oh and btw the train on the weekend did look pretty full to me and no have no connections to SRHC
ab123

I'm going to sit on the fence for a bit. Too much has happened for me to blindly support what is happening at the moment, although it could be a start. Perhaps. I suppose you really need to go through it yourself to fully understand why some of us are so cynincal in our views about the direction the committee of the SRHC have led the group in, but I degress.

It is interesting to note that the Echuca train is the first public trip they have run away from Seymour since the New Years's Fireworks Train in 2011/12. Most of the pax on that train were voucher holders, or family members of the committee I am led to believe. I'd be curious to know if this was the case again, and what advertising was carried out other than the website for the Echuca train. If they were all paying passengers aboard the train, then well done to them. In 2013 they only did local shuttles for Tastes of the Goulburn. When one considers that the SRHC ran tours on average every month and a half prior to the 2011 AGM; it becomes apparent that they haven't really been making an effort in what is supposed to be their core purpose for existing. It's been nearly three years since the SRHC operated public trains on a regular basis, so it is timely to also consider what has happened between now, and then.

Anyway. It look's as though the acre-end of the locomotive hiring has mostly fallen out, and the SRHC will have to go back to it's roots again of running heritage trains as a source of income, and recruit volunteers instead of taking on paid employees. It also looks as though they will now have to chase funding or grants like any other not-for-profit group for major projects, and actually have to properly budget; rather than just spend, spend, spend all the time. This is actually a good thing, and I hope the group continues on this path.


*Errata* In 2013, they went to Tocumwal. I forgot about that one.

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  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Whats a bit suss is whenever anybody has something positive to say they get shot down, questioned and accused. I got the impression many people werent happy that SRHC was not running tours, yet the few times a tour has been run it isnt good enough, it was better in the past or some other nitpicking. Something is better than nothing, but something never seems to be good enough.

This thread should be titled SRHC - nothing is ever good enough.

Oh and btw the train on the weekend did look pretty full to me and no have no connections to SRHC
ab123

I couldn't agree more, ab123. Whilst I respect the position that members like Barrington Womble and VBAndy are coming from - they have every right to be cynical, it is frustrating to see complaints like "they don't run tours" even after they *do* run a tour.

Nobody is asking you to "blindly support" anything, Barrington Womble, nobody could blame you, or anyone else involved if you never had a nice thing to say about SRHC ever again. Perhaps the best response to a successful tour is "better late than never" or "good to see they've finally returned to their roots". Nobody is suggesting the organisation is worthy of support, just that it is a positive movement.

Hell, take it as an opportunity to shoot heritage locos running on a heritage train, something which has been lacking for certain locos for many years...
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
And I thought you were bowing out from the discussion...? Razz

I simply gave my opinion - take it, or leave it. You'll also note the final paragraph where I suggested that this could be a new start for them, although I'm hesitant to believe it just yet - one can only hope that some valuable lessons have been learned by certain people, and they see fit to step aside and let some new blood into the management of the group. It's unfortunate that the SRHC nearly went broke, and the committee alienated a lot of their volunteers and goodwill, only to end up at square one again.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Any photos of the trip as proof ?

Regards,
David Head
  ab123 Chief Train Controller

Any photos of the trip as proof ?

Regards,
David Head
dthead


Of what that the train actually ran? That there was more than one person on it? So the post by someone on the train wasn't good enough?

I saw the train and it looked well patronized, plenty of people waiting on the platform too, plenty of families and no I didn't get a photo.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Of what that the train actually ran? That there was more than one person on it? So the post by someone on the train wasn't good enough?
ab123


Come on ab123; don't you recognize tongue-in-cheek when you see it?
  ab123 Chief Train Controller

Come on ab123; don't you recognize tongue-in-cheek when you see it?
Valvegear

Sometimes you never know Wink
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Of what that the train actually ran? That there was more than one person on it? So the post by someone on the train wasn't good enough?

I saw the train and it looked well patronized, plenty of people waiting on the platform too, plenty of families and no I didn't get a photo.
ab123



You are right, one can write that the train ran, another can also say it ran - I could be implying it never ran and was  just a invented bit of text. There again to be fair anyone can post a photo and say that's the train, when it may not be.  

Usually most trips gets someone posting photos of the trip. Seems strange there isn't one photo, that's all.
Regards,

David Head


ps posted this via PM too, apologies, but it was not a go at the poster's if they are worried, just a observation.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
David, the trip ran. I have seen photos of it.
  jrb1 Beginner

David
I won’t every post again

I am sorry I did - I was on the train with my partner and grand daughter

I have photos of her on the train, I have photos of the engines running around the train

But not of the train

Possible I dreamed it all and I stayed home all day but my Visa went down by $100

I won’t every post again
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

David
I won’t every post again
jrb1

You have done 8 post in 7 plus years . You we be missed jrb1 .
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I'l bite,

My previous post was speculation about why I posted previously. As you can see another poster confirmed there were photos. So you confirmed in writing, and othere can confirm with photos. No problems there. If I were to target you, you would be specifically mentioned. But I have not, so reconsider.

Let's both hope now that this trip has run, that the next one will be more popular !

Regards,
David Head

ps some would have noted I have edited my post for spelling, guess I'm human !
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
David
I won’t every post again

I am sorry I did - I was on the train with my partner and grand daughter

I have photos of her on the train, I have photos of the engines running around the train

But not of the train

Possible I dreamed it all and I stayed home all day but my Visa went down by $100

I won’t every post again
jrb1
Calm your farm. Nobody's calling you a liar.
  G Train Locomotive Driver

Hi all,

I saw the trip advertised on their website and went on it last Saturday. I thought it was enjoyable, being an opportunity to travel behind B74 and T357 on a line I hadn't been on previously (Toolamba - Echuca). I was advised by staff that there were approx 145 people on board and they would like to do more marketing for proposed tours in future. This seemed to be a bit of a trial to see if Echuca was a viable destination from Seymour. I guess as a punter I could have posted I was going on it on here before the event, but so too could actual SRHC members. Anyway, it's done now. Will keep an eye out for future tours. Here are some images if you are interested SRHC Echuca Tour 13Dec '14

Cheers,
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
I was not aware of this Echuca trip, or I would have gone on it.  My fault for not checking their web site more often, but doing that in recent times has been a waste of time, so have tended not to go there much.  Back when they were running trips, I used to get emails about forthcoming trips, but not this time, so I guess they have lost their mailing list as well  (among other things .....).

As an observation, I would think that Echuca is a much more interesting destination from Seymour than Tocumwal was.  Are there any potential problems with them using the Toolamba-Echuca line?  What is the speed limit there for a passenger train?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

As an observation, I would think that Echuca is a much more interesting destination from Seymour than Tocumwal was.  Are there any potential problems with them using the Toolamba-Echuca line?  What is the speed limit there for a passenger train?
Lad_Porter
50 km/h speed limit with a couple of 30 km/h bridges - so about 90 minutes of travel time between junctions.  R761 and K153 traversed it OK last September when I was on it.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
As an observation, I would think that Echuca is a much more interesting destination from Seymour than Tocumwal was.  Are there any potential problems with them using the Toolamba-Echuca line?  What is the speed limit there for a passenger train?
Lad_Porter
I'd agree with that - the more interesting train trips I have been on feature a "destination", rather than a convenient place to run around the train. Having traveled to Tocumwal with Steamrail, the stopover in town was spent consuming another drink at the pub across the road, and a couple of photos of the train.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
I'd agree with that - the more interesting train trips I have been on feature a "destination", rather than a convenient place to run around the train. Having traveled to Tocumwal with Steamrail, the stopover in town was spent consuming another drink at the pub across the road, and a couple of photos of the train.
"Raichase"


Way back, there used to be the core tours, such as Toc; Violet Town (pre-2008), and Geelong. All of these trains were marketed more-so at the local Seymour area, and some of the stations en route to the destination. All of these trains offered a 'local' return shuttle from the destination. From Geelong, it was back to Spenna; from Violet Town, it was up to Benalla (usually to turn J515), and Toc, it was to Strathmerton. The SRHC also used to visit Yarrawonga at Easter, and Echuca on the Queens Birthday weekend, for short local shuttles. Of course, Violet Town, and Yarrawonga as destinations are now lost to gauge conversion. Echuca went belly-up, because the line from Toolamba was suspended from 2004, until recently for passenger trains.

The more specialised tours visited places like Albury; Bairnsdale; Ballarat; Maryborough; Traralgon; Wangaratta, or Warrnambool. These were mainly run for locals as well, but were advertised to the gunzel market, with accommodation being offered in the sleeping cars at the Seymour depot prior to the tour, and sometimes afterwards. Usually these tours also ran with different motive power where available, to add interest in the pre-2007 days.

One of the biggest problems is that they're out of Melbourne, so that means if they wanted to run to say...Ballarat, they have to factor in the time from Seymour to Melbourne (and on the return working), and that soon adds up for your crew hours and hip pocket. This has always been a problem with fatigue management; pathing, and crewing of trains heading south of Seymour. I suppose the difference between now and back then, was that they had the volunteer numbers to do it, and they knew what they were doing. In the later days, T.O fatigue management was being fazed in, where you had a morning and afternoon shift sort of thing. I have no idea who is the Operations Manager up there now or their abilities as such, but I'd imagine they're playing it safe, as I doubt they have the volunteer numbers now to do longer trips. It's far easier to operate a tour on a familiar path out of Seymour, and use a single crew to save money and stress.

I'm not going to say this is gospel, but I would be very surprised if the SRHC ever operated one of the more specialised destination tours anytime soon, or again. Steamrail and 707 Operations have effectively cornered the mainline heritage train tour market during the SRHC's tenure at trying to be a commercial hire and maintenance company, plus they're both based in Melbourne, so don't have the extra crew costs. I'll predict it'll be Echuca or Toc trains for the public, with perhaps the Tastes of the Goulburn shuttles from the SRHC from now on. I won't include charter trains, as they're pre-paid by the customer, and travel is very rarely offered to the public on them. Whether I'm right or not remains to be seen.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction

I'm not going to say this is gospel, but I would be very surprised if the SRHC ever operated one of the more specialised destination tours anytime soon, or again. Steamrail and 707 Operations have effectively cornered the mainline heritage train tour market during the SRHC's tenure at trying to be a commercial hire and maintenance company, plus they're both based in Melbourne, so don't have the extra crew costs. I'll predict it'll be Echuca or Toc trains for the public, with perhaps the Tastes of the Goulburn shuttles from the SRHC from now on. I won't include charter trains, as they're pre-paid by the customer, and travel is very rarely offered to the public on them. Whether I'm right or not remains to be seen.
Barringt
I'd say watch this space. J515 sitting at Maldon with all of her motion gear removed may be a clue to something!

(edited due to spelling mistake only)
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I'd say watch this space. J515 sitting at Maldon with all of her motion gear removed may be a clue to something!
"BrentonGolding"
It is.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Scrapped?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Scrapped?
Raichase
You don't need counterweights on the driving wheels to scrap a loco!?!?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Would I be correct in suggesting that it's preferable to remove motion gear before transporting a steam loco by road?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I don't think so.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Would I be correct in suggesting that it's preferable to remove motion gear before transporting a steam loco by road?
LancedDendrite
Shouldn't matter.
Am I correct in recalling a post here somewhere (?) that 515 had a seized valve?
If this is the case it would necessitate stripping the valve gear on the affected side before the loco could be moved either under steam (one side only) or by any other means. How it got a seized valve, if that is indeed the case, would be interesting to know.

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