Terrorist situation in Martin place Sydney

 
  northbritish Chief Train Controller

Who exactly needs to be brought to account?
kapow

terrorists

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  northbritish Chief Train Controller

Funny you'd say that now, seeing as you instigated this dialog. Kitchen a little too hot for you, Princess? Laughing
Barrington Womble

Wrong womble, you used this terrible tragedy to insinuate that Channel 7 was involved in it. Then you throw a hissy fit when you get called out on it.
  kapow Junior Train Controller

terrorists
northbritish

Terrorists are being brought to account, once they are caught they are punished. What else should the authorities be doing?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Please don't talk about "the authorities".  That's what my ex wife was known as.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

This incident reminds of Australia's first run-in with Islamic terrorists at Broken Hill on New Year's Day 1915 - 100 years ago yesterday:

http://www.brokenhillaustralia.com.au/about-broken-hill/local-factbook/turk-s-attack-on-the-picnic-train/

Think about it:
- Disaffected Muslim(s), including a "Sheikh/Imam"
- A war over in the Middle East involving an Islamic Caliphate vs the West
- Innocent people targeted and killed by a gunman in a very public attack
- Gunman shot dead by police
- Silly revenge attack by locals afterwards (I suppose the ADL loons last week in Lakemba might qualify?)

Lots of parallels.  And we seem to have conveniently forgotten the Broken Hill incident....
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Are you referring to the incident on the Silverton Tramway?  The disaffected groups attacked the train en route to a picnic?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Are you referring to the incident on the Silverton Tramway?  The disaffected groups attacked the train en route to a picnic?
"BenGibbons"


You would have answered that question for yourself if you looked at the link Carnot posted
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
And we seem to have conveniently forgotten the Broken Hill incident....
"Carnot"
Not so much forgotten, as most 'present day-ers' have never known of it. Your statement equally applies to the false Sheikh... He convenienty forgetting too what happens when terrorists kill innocent citizens...
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I still fail to see how one deranged man, whether he was Muslim, Baptist or Catholic etc can be a terrorist. He was simply a deranged gunman nothing more really and all this hype about terrorism is simply to sell papers and make people watch TV news services. Deranged gunman happen and just because in this case he was Muslim should not be taken into account, it was just another idiot with a gun despite what it is made up to look like!

What happens when another person tries it who is Catholic or something will that be classed as terrorism , most probably not, just another idiot with a gun.  All he was after was his 15 minutes of fame and he got that!
  ActingCmdr Beginner

What happens when another person tries it who is Catholic or something will that be classed as terrorism , most probably not, just another idiot with a gun.  All he was after was his 15 minutes of fame and he got that!
David Peters

Indeed, incidents like this do bring up the conversation again about gun control in our country. I am yet to come across a news article on this incident yet about 'how' or even 'why' the perpetrator was able to have acquired the gun, legal or illegally.

Unless anyone can post a link to such a news article?

I hope Australia never becomes flooded with guns, legal or illegal, like the United States has with most citizens buying a gun simply because everyone else has a gun. It's a weird way to counter-act such a problem if you ask me, the whole 'good guy with a gun versus a bad guy with a gun' mentality, those Americans *eye rolls* Rolling Eyes

Especially considering Australia's strict laws and how legal, responsible gun owners, are supposed to keep their firearms in secure safes, under lock and key even at rural properties, right?

Just my five cents opinion here.

Oh and Happy New Year All!
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Make no mistake, this was a terrorist attack.

An international definition of terrorism has never been formally agreed to, and various definitions are controversial, but the number of perpetrators is never the reason why.

One person can be a terrorist, it does not take a team.

The faux sheikh's sole aim was to intimidate the civilian population, and to attempt some amendment to the government's policies and operations. Of note is that he attempted to achieve this by taking hostages (and intentionally or otherwise) killing two of them, whilst: a) armed, and b) threatening action with alleged explosives.

That's the basic trifecta that is almost unanimously agreed to internationally as being a terrorist act.

Add in the fact that he requested an ISIS flag to hang up and thus only a twit would suggest that this was not designed to be an act of terrorism.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Why do we need an article on where he got the gun? That's hardly a relevant thing, and publishing a 'how to' for others is hardly sensible.

Buying a gun legally is not that hard, buying one illegally is arguably even easier.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Why do we need an article on where he got the gun? That's hardly a relevant thing, and publishing a 'how to' for others is hardly sensible.

Buying a gun legally is not that hard, buying one illegally is arguably even easier.
Aaron
Too true about buying a gun illegally you can get anything you want if you approach the right people and pay for it. Go into any front bar at a hotel and say you want something to someone, not necessarily a gun but I bet someone in there will know somebody who can get it for you!
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
This incident reminds of Australia's first run-in with Islamic terrorists at Broken Hill on New Year's Day 1915 - 100 years ago yesterday:

http://www.brokenhillaustralia.com.au/about-broken-hill/local-factbook/turk-s-attack-on-the-picnic-train/

Think about it:
- Disaffected Muslim(s), including a "Sheikh/Imam"
- A war over in the Middle East involving an Islamic Caliphate vs the West
- Innocent people targeted and killed by a gunman in a very public attack
- Gunman shot dead by police
- Silly revenge attack by locals afterwards (I suppose the ADL loons last week in Lakemba might qualify?)

Lots of parallels.  And we seem to have conveniently forgotten the Broken Hill incident....
Carnot
You seem to have forgotten that Australia was attacking a country they had a great affinity with, that Turkey was allied with Germany and that just over a decade later Turkey became a secular country.

But if you have any more bollocks you'd like to share with us, then feel free.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Wasn't it known as the Ottoman Empire at that point?

Great-sounding name isn't it - 'put your feet up and relax - you're in the Ottoman Empire'.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Wasn't it known as the Ottoman Empire at that point?

Great-sounding name isn't it - 'put your feet up and relax - you're in the Ottoman Empire'.
don_dunstan
Yes
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Wasn't it known as the Ottoman Empire at that point?

Great-sounding name isn't it - 'put your feet up and relax - you're in the Ottoman Empire'.
don_dunstan
This was where the name for one of these Ottoman's came from actually the Ottoman Empire. They were used in Turkey long before they became fashionable elsewhere!
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
This incident reminds of Australia's first run-in with Islamic terrorists at Broken Hill on New Year's Day 1915 - 100 years ago yesterday:

http://www.brokenhillaustralia.com.au/about-broken-hill/local-factbook/turk-s-attack-on-the-picnic-train/

Think about it:
- Disaffected Muslim(s), including a "Sheikh/Imam"
- A war over in the Middle East involving an Islamic Caliphate vs the West
- Innocent people targeted and killed by a gunman in a very public attack
- Gunman shot dead by police
- Silly revenge attack by locals afterwards (I suppose the ADL loons last week in Lakemba might qualify?)

Lots of parallels.  And we seem to have conveniently forgotten the Broken Hill incident....
"Carnot"

Not to wander too much OT, but this very event has an article on it in the current issue of Australian Railway History
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
This was where the name for one of these Ottoman's came from actually the Ottoman Empire. They were used in Turkey long before they became fashionable elsewhere!
"David Peters"
And did they also become knows as 'poofs'?
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Poufs. Agree with Bingley here. Comparing Islamic State with the Ottoman Empire is a bit of a stretch, especially as we were in because the war was Brits, Frogs and their mates vs. Krauts and their mates, and we were Brits first and foremost. Extensive use of the shoehorn should find a few more 'parallels'.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Make no mistake, this was a terrorist attack.

An international definition of terrorism has never been formally agreed to, and various definitions are controversial, but the number of perpetrators is never the reason why.

One person can be a terrorist, it does not take a team.

The faux sheikh's sole aim was to intimidate the civilian population, and to attempt some amendment to the government's policies and operations. Of note is that he attempted to achieve this by taking hostages (and intentionally or otherwise) killing two of them, whilst: a) armed, and b) threatening action with alleged explosives.

That's the basic trifecta that is almost unanimously agreed to internationally as being a terrorist act.

Add in the fact that he requested an ISIS flag to hang up and thus only a twit would suggest that this was not designed to be an act of terrorism.
"Aaron"

I'd be interested to know that if the person in question was a white catholic, and asked for a Union Jack, whether everyone would still be using the term "terrorist"? To me, it's a term that is far too over-used in modern day vernacular, and is a favorite buzzword for the commercial media (News Corps et al). The guy was a nutter, and that's about the size of it.
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
I'd be interested to know that if the person in question was a white catholic, and asked for a Union Jack, whether everyone would still be using the term "terrorist"? To me, it's a term that is far too over-used in modern day vernacular, and is a favorite buzzword for the commercial media (News Corps et al). The guy was a nutter, and that's about the size of it.
"Barrington Womble"


I can be pretty sure that if the offender was a Ku Klux Klansman who imprisoned a shop full of aboriginals and threatened to string them up, the outcry from the bleeding heart set would have been deafening, with calls to ban the K.K.K. and arrest ALL it sympathisers as racist mongrels.

There would have no prevaricating like there is now, that this was just one disaffected white person who society mistreated and he didn't represent the KKK or all other white supremacists and that the atrocities committed by some neo-Nazi's are "not a reflection on the truly peaceful nature of Nazism and fascism..........."

But of course, it's open season without question on terrorists with a Western cultural background, but hypocritically, the same outrages and ideology from the poisonous Salafist Islamic political ideology, have troops of apologists, in total denial, lining up to make excuses for it.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
A few dictionary definitions

from Oxford Dictionary and Dictionary.com

terror
Extreme fear,
The use of extreme fear to intimidate people
Intense, sharp, overmastering fear

terrorist
A person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims
A person who terrorizes or frightens others
A person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism

terrorism
The unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims
Systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal
The act of terrorizing

So by going by those definitions I summarize that a terrorist can be anybody, any creed, any or no religion, any nationality, any gender.

In fact isn't a person who Bullies another also a terrorist?  Their goal is the same!
Bully a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Interesting points of view.

Still, is the word "terrorist" or "terror" over-used? Do we associate it with only one ethnic or religion? That's what I am trying to get at.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I can be pretty sure that if the offender was a Ku Klux Klansman who imprisoned a shop full of aboriginals and threatened to string them up, the outcry from the bleeding heart set would have been deafening, with calls to ban the K.K.K. and arrest ALL it sympathisers as racist mongrels.

There would have no prevaricating like there is now, that this was just one disaffected white person who society mistreated and he didn't represent the KKK or all other white supremacists and that the atrocities committed by some neo-Nazi's are "not a reflection on the truly peaceful nature of Nazism and fascism..........."

But of course, it's open season without question on terrorists with a Western cultural background, but hypocritically, the same outrages and ideology from the poisonous Salafist Islamic political ideology, have troops of apologists, in total denial, lining up to make excuses for it.
12CSVT
It's called balance.

Because that's exactly what Miranda Devine, Chris Kenny, Andrew Bolte and the rest of your redneck mates are doing in this case - using the actions of one man to demonise the rest of the Muslim community.

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