Traino 48's

 
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Opinions are like underpants!  some are clean and others not so, but here is mine never the less!

......... Trainoramo had over 3000 customers on their lists when the GM was released, and I believe we have less than a dozen here on the Anti Trainorama thread. (Austrains claimed 4700 in 2012)   Despite our best efforts here, we do not represent better than the smallest percentage of Australian model railway customers.
 All I hope is that the lurkers on the list remember it was Trainorama that released the 44 Class and forever changed the quality of Australian models. And that's my only interest. The S Class was a true 5 min dcc conversion with a clip on body and I have fitted sound in one in 10 minutes changing over the speaker. Longest job was unscrewing  the speaker and waiting for the glue to dry on the new one!

The followers (Manufacturers and Austrains the original) are  cashed up and somehow immune to criticism despite some having problems with fragility with bits falling off and even found broken off in the box when opened.

If any company does succeed in manipulating the market with predatory tactics, they will laugh all the way to the Bank as they rip us off in the future when they rule a much smaller manufacturing base. That, sadly is a fact of life outside, and we should not wish it here in our hobby.

A lot more people are unhappy with one of the new kids on the block. Two high quality steam engines are to be released soon up to $200 cheaper than their competitors steam engines (not configuring in Austrains very old stock) If we see them succeed and continue to put out cheaper engines, and if they do do a Diesel and it reflects their current steam pricing, then we will all see that Australia has truly turned the corner, and prices can drop all over despite the falling dollar and the 100% wage rise over 5 years in China. Thus I have no problem with cheaper models.  Under any other circumstance I would order 5 Auscision 48's, if I wanted them at $220, happily!

However Auscision know Trainorama need to sell out their 48's to recover money for their next project. The 48's were mostly fully paid for more than 6 years ago!  
They have no options left. The only new money is new customers and that coming from deposit orders.

My view is Trainorama should have put the 48 even further back and rerun the GM S Class, 49 Class, 47 Class First series 44 Class and padded up their Bank accounts before restarting the 48 Class project. Even if they offered 48 Class purchasers a refund or a deal.  Then this whole thing would not matter at all. Auscision would have released a $295 48 Class and everybody would be happy, and mostly Auscision at that.

Auscision had no other reason to release the 48 than to knock Trainorama down. They know more than anyone of us out here, what has gone on with Trainorama and with China.  I

It makes great business sense to kill off Trainorama when they are down, but lets not talk moral values and customer loyalty in the same breath. How could you trust companies who lack the ability to step aside and allow their competitor ito get up after he tripped on a branch thrown into the ring by a third party?  Is this a sign how they might treat customers in the future?

Like I already said... its sound modern business principals to hit them when their down, but to this old Australian it kind of sucks.

My Christmas present would be an announcement from Trainorama that the GM's and the S Class were to be released in April, and that they come on time.
And if they want to frost my Christmas cake, perhaps a new unannounced model would be nice, and would guarantee their position as the locomotive master builders with great customer service (Which they definitely had before the company imploded)
A Happy and Holy Christmas to all (most particularly to the guns at Auscision)
Rod

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  LiverpoolRange Locomotive Fireman

Location: Port Macquarie NSW
Just out of curiosity, were all 48's delivered with the coat of arms oval "mounting" on the short hood that stood proud of the angled front?

Reason I ask is that some pictures of 4817 and 4819 on a blog http://southcoastrail.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/48-reasons-to-love-christmas.html show no oval mount on the short hood, yet a picture of 4840 earlier in this thread shows it.

In Ron Preston's 48 book, it appears the mount was certainly removed when units were repainted in other schemes, but I can't find any reference to the mount not being there on Indian Red units.

I would be curious to knows others' thoughts.

Cheers.
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

You raise some fair points comtrain

I did order a couple of Traino 48's back in the day based on their previous product quality and dependability. I recall them wanting to acknowledge purchase of multiple units, and at $220 they achieved this. However, their current stance means that the Auscision 48's matched to the original release price represents a saving which a buyer of x10 more units can not afford to ignore, loyalty or otherwise. We're all sheep afterall

Is this a breakdown of morality within the industry - who knows, hopefully this won't be proven/revealed

Merry 48's
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

I've got more Trainorama locos than I care to want to know about (32, 44, 47, 49, S & GM)

My only gripe with them at the moment is the poor range of liveries being offered with the 48's. Yes
I know there's more coming (isn't there?) but that is not how you do business in 2014, that's how
Powerline have been bringing out models for 20 years.

These days you need to hit the market running with as big a variety of liveries possible. By all means
do the different versions (Marks?) one or two at a time, but they should have Mark I & II in all available
liveries in this first batch.

What's to say if I invest in a couple now, that the other liveries will arrive any time soon, or arrive at all?

I'm sorry but this is 2014 and people like Auscision (and others) are moving with the times and bringing
stuff to market that we actually want.

Merry Xmas to all.

Paul
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
These days you need to hit the market running with as big a variety of liveries possible. By all means
do the different versions (Marks?) one or two at a time, but they should have Mark I & II in all available
liveries in this first batch.

What's to say if I invest in a couple now, that the other liveries will arrive any time soon, or arrive at all?


Paul
FirstStopCentral

I would consider getting a Freighcorp 48 class, but for now I can wait especially with all the other stuff coming out....
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Hmmm it is Christmas Eve in warm QLD and do not intend to get any hotter !

So have cleaned up the thread a little. So to those who have aTrainorama 48 to play with this Christmas, Enjoy.

Merry Christmas
David Head, Mod.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Just out of curiosity, were all 48's delivered with the coat of arms oval "mounting" on the short hood that stood proud of the angled front?

Reason I ask is that some pictures of 4817 and 4819 on a blog http://southcoastrail.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/48-reasons-to-love-christmas.html show no oval mount on the short hood, yet a picture of 4840 earlier in this thread shows it.

In Ron Preston's 48 book, it appears the mount was certainly removed when units were repainted in other schemes, but I can't find any reference to the mount not being there on Indian Red units.

I would be curious to knows others' thoughts.

Cheers.
LiverpoolRange

I'd also be concerned about the difference in ride height over the buffer plates between the two locos shown  as well, not very good for locos costing well in excess of $300.
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
I'd also be concerned about the difference in ride height over the buffer plates between the two locos shown as well, not very good for locos costing well in excess of $300.
kingfisher

Mate (whatever your name is).....do you even know how to say anything positive??? You'd have to be the most negative bloke I've come across. You'd be a barrel of laughs at a BBQ....

Just for the record....if you have a look at the top pic on page 31 of Ron Preston's book "48 Backbone of the Railways", you will notice that 48108 is coupled to 4881 and there is a discernible height difference between their buffing plates. So, perhaps Trainorama have gone to great lengths to be authentic!!!

Bill Roach

PS: the other thing (if you have looked at a Trainorama 44 class for example) is that TOR use a very good, simple method of locating the body onto the chassis. This involves placing the body onto the chassis and screwing on the couplers, which holds the body in place, but there is a slight amount of "play" for the body to move by a mm or so. I suspect that this is what has happened here. The owner has placed the models onto the track and has not pressed down lightly on the body of one of the locos to ensure the body is fully "down" on the chassis. I have had this happen to me with the 44 class locos too.....Believe me, it is NO BIG DEAL...
  Albert Chief Commissioner

I'd also be concerned about the difference in ride height over the buffer plates between the two locos shown as well, not very good for locos costing well in excess of $300.
kingfisher

You did notice that they are two different types of buffing plates?
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

You did notice that they are two different types of buffing plates?
Albert

Yes I did but the shanks on the buffer plated that connect them to the loco also don't line up.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Hmmm it is Christmas Eve in warm QLD and do not intend to get any hotter !

So have cleaned up the thread a little. So to those who have aTrainorama 48 to play with this Christmas, Enjoy.

Merry Christmas
David Head, Mod.
dthead

Here's a thought Very Happy
PM me But you better sign your name Wink
Rod Young
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Mate (whatever your name is).....do you even know how to say anything positive??? You'd have to be the most negative bloke I've come across. You'd be a barrel of laughs at a BBQ....
Roachie

No one has been more negative about the non arrival of the 48's on this forum than you.
  Shazam75 Chief Commissioner

Picked mine up today, photo's below as promised:





I have to say, the service was pretty good when I went in. They'd set up a separate table for people collecting 48's and had everything within arm's reach, and I was served quickly for an Australian hobby shop Razz They also took it out of the box and gave it a test run on the DC test track to make sure everything worked which I thought was a nice touch. Runs quite smoothly too.

I'll leave the more detailed reviews to others, but I'm quite impressed.

Cheers,
Ben
Indefatigable

Wow they look beautiful!  Thanks for the photos Ben.  By the way, where did you pick up the backdrop in Photo 2?

Cheers
Shelton
  Albert Chief Commissioner

Yes I did but the shanks on the buffer plated that connect them to the loco also don't line up.
kingfisher

And you know the track they sit on a is dead level?
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
I'd also be concerned about the difference in ride height over the buffer plates between the two locos shown as well, not very good for locos costing well in excess of $300.
kingfisher


No sir no one has been more negative (and identity hidden here so obviously not going to reveal yourself because that'd be a liability) about these models than you. Any smart person can look at the photos and notice wow! They're two different types of buffers. And they actually do line up because I have actually seen the models at the store, not just base assumptions on an angled photo which by the way, that particular owner doesn't have a problem with.

I'm surprised you haven't picked up on the different colour of the horns yet either to start complaining about. Rolling Eyes

It is typical in this hobby that those who DON'T have the model always complain and whinge about it, while those that DO have the model are always the happiest.

Merry Xmas!

Dan.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller


I'm surprised you haven't picked up on the different colour of the horns yet either to start complaining about. Rolling Eyes

alltrainzfan

Happy to leave that one to you.
  ALCO4401 Train Controller

Location: On the Branch waiting for a train order, west of Tarana
With regards to the couplings not lining up, they don't in the real world guys!!!!! I am looking at an LDP and 6000 class parked out the front of my office as I type this and there is a good 4" difference in the height. Worn down wheels and fuel weights will always alter the ride hight of lococmotives.


Regards
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
Happy to leave that one to you.
kingfisher


Sadly I can't. I actually check facts and look at the real things before jumping anon on a newsgroup and acting like a know-it-all who hasn't even seen the model nor read and saw photos on actual 48s. My brain tells me the colours are correct sorry.

Dan.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Sadly I can't. I actually check facts and look at the real things before jumping anon on a newsgroup and acting like a know-it-all who hasn't even seen the model nor read and saw photos on actual 48s. My brain tells me the colours are correct sorry.

Dan.
alltrainzfan

Why do you think I didn't mention it.
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
No one has been more negative about the non arrival of the 48's on this forum than you.
kingfisher

Mate....that is simply NOT correct.

In fact the point which I was "being negative" about (if, in fact that is what you wish to call my point of view) is that Trainorama seemed to have a "couldn't care less" attitude towards keeping their customers advised regarding the arrival of the 48s.

I wouldn't have minded if they didn't arrive until the end of 2015.......as long as I (and others) were kept informed of the state of play.

So, please get this straight.....I've NEVER complained about how long this project has taken. I have vented my thoughts about how (in my opinion) Trainorama could've kept their paying customers up to date on the schedule. The fact that Trainorama has made a conscious decision to NOT be like one of their competitors in regards to the use of Faecesbook and their own website to post REGULAR updates is entirely up to them and one which I feared they might not have considered. I am now satisfied they DID consider doing the regular update "thing", but decided against it for their own good reasons.

Roachie
  Flatop Deputy Commissioner

Location: Some where in a Cab
People can knock Trainorama as much as they like but when there is only one producer left it is known they will hike prices like you would not believe. Auscision have a habit of running small runs so they are not left with any for stock. They want people to pay for the tooling before the model arrives. There is more 48 class models coming in the future so you should all get behind this model and make it succeed. I spoke with Bob,s hobbies the other day before Xmas.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Auscision have a habit of running small runs so they are not left with any stock. They want people to pay for the tooling before the model arrives.
Flatop

And they achieve that by selling a limited run at a cheaper price than their competition, really!
  a6et Minister for Railways

Yes I did but the shanks on the buffer plated that connect them to the loco also don't line up.
kingfisher

Do some research on things regarding the 1:1 gauge version of the model.

Up until the 45cl all the NSW diesels that HAD buffing plates rather than just buffers had a level top to the plate, very difficult to couple to hook equiped items of Rolling stock, the D Link coupler had to drop to one side of the auto jaw, which also made it difficult to couple to auto fitted vehicles, owing to the need to try & get the D Link section sitting high enough to move the 2 links towards the rear, otherwise the links would would drop into jaw area preventing the couplers to mate.

From the 45cl the buffing plates were modified & had a raised mid section whereby the D Link coupling was able to be swung over the top completely out of the way of the jaw.  Thing also was that more often than not even the lower (top) sections of the buffing plates would neve align perfectly flat either, thus care needed to be taken when coupling up the jumpers on the uneven surface.

Many tracks in NSW were worse than most modellers have on their layouts meaning on MU working you could see the constant moving up & down of the loco's at their coupled position, 45, 48, 49 especially, even the 47 were like it but not quite as bad.

The 2 models in your photo post show 4817 & 19 while both Mk 1 types & originally fitted with the early flat top buffer plates, although going by the colour scheme also the stencil box light numbers as fitted to these models as well as the on nose Fletner vents indicate that they are models that date from the mid point of the 1970's as fletner vents were not universally fitted prior to that.  The Stencil numbers also indicated overhauls being carried out at Cardif that routinely carried out such modifications.  

Likewise it was not uncommon when a buffing plate had to be serviced they would be replaced with one that was serviced, meaning that many loco's of each class could have a buffing plate of either type fitted prior to being released from the shops, that also included the fact that they could have one of each type on each end.

Thus you cannot say the alignments are wrong on these models as it happened in the real world.
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

anywayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shazam - thanks for posting those pics. They look mighty impressive - one step up from the Powerline version.
Good to see another loco arrive on the market - I won't be investing in these simply because the 46's are approaching.
I might be tempted when a candy or red terror version head our way!!!
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
anywayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shazam - thanks for posting those pics. They look mighty impressive - one step up from the Powerline version.
Good to see another loco arrive on the market - I won't be investing in these simply because the 46's are approaching.
I might be tempted when a candy or red terror version head our way!!!
5711

I would say these are SEVERAL steps up from the latest Powerline units....even if only because of the blackened wheels and the lack of Marsians in the cab!!!

Great work Trainorama.....

Roachie

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