Water troughs used in NSWGR?

 
  Gremlin Assistant Commissioner

Was reading through some UK modelling magazines (thanks Phil!) and I saw that they used water troughs between the rails to allow tenders to refill without stopping.

Did that ever happen in NSWGR...or anywhere in Australia?  Mainline, branch line...?

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Not that I know of.
No - unless anyone can prove me wrong.
  ivahri Train Controller

Topped up from passing urinals?
  qredge Deputy Commissioner

Location: Marsden Qld
australian went into usage of water gins to carry extra water to save stopping
Though we really didn't have much high Speed long runs that using troughs would have been advantageous in time saving
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Not that I know of.
YM-Mundrabilla


A more useful question would be "Were water troughs used in any country other than UK?"
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
A more useful question would be "Were water troughs used in any country other than UK?"
awsgc24


Wikipedia implies that "water pans" were used in US, but lacks detail.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_pan
  21C123 Chief Train Controller

Location: In the inspection pit checking the "bicycle chains"
Just to follow up on US water pan/trough usage, these were certainly used by the New York Central RR on sections of the famous "Water Level" Route (New York - Chicago). The famous "Niagara" 4-8-4s had massive coal capacity (43 US tons, I think) and a (relatively) smaller water capacity. Topping up via water pans allowed very long non-stop runs with all that coal available!
  jgjnestor Station Staff

The longest non-stop Australian steam run without a stop for water was probably the S class with 1937 tender for "spirit of Progress"  Melbourne-Albury until the early 1950s:  190 miles with a trailing load of over 500 tons.    Broad and Standard gauge steam locos on passenger trains could usually run over 100 miles on a fill of water (eg: Sydney-Newcastle for C36 and C38 engines).  
There were no water troughs in Australia, though they were used in UK and USA. Interesting sideline (especially for modellers) was the Demondrille coaling facility (near Harden NSW) which allowed C38 engines to quickly re-coal on their trains on the Sydney-Albury run.
Although USA used water troughs/pans, even theoretically non-stop expresses like "Twentieth Century Limited" stopped every 150-200 miles for crew changes.
  Gremlin Assistant Commissioner

Thanks everyone for their comments, very helpful Smile
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
Lineside water tanks, sometimes with the water supply being piped several miles was the normal in NSW.

The 'Loco' dam for Lithgow was at a place called 'Dargans' between Clarence and Newnes Jct and the pipe line ran through the 10 tunnels before it reached the Loco depot.
Places like Blackheath and Tarana had an inground brick lined 'pond' or tank and in the case of Tarana, water was pumped from the Fish River to it and then it flowed by gravity to the Tank at Tarana and was also made available to the station and the railway owned cottages as well for domestic use.

The employee who shoveled out the Up Main Ash pit at Tarana also operated the pump on the Fish River.
This was still in use until around 1970 when Diesels finally replaced all steam hauled traffic.
I have no knowledge about Blackheath as it closed with the introduction of the electrification and I was still at school then.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney

I have no knowledge about Blackheath as it closed with the introduction of the electrification and I was still at school then.
gordon_s1942

The dam at Blackheath became a municipal swimming pool and is still there.

The station past Wingello (Tallong) also had a dam, which is still there.
  James1709 Locomotive Fireman

The dam at Blackheath became a municipal swimming pool and is still there.

The station past Wingello (?_____________?) also had a dam, which is still there.
awsgc24

Penrose to the north or Tallong to the south of Wingello?
  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
Tallong.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Lithgow Coal Stage Signal Box was so named because there was a facility for topping up coal into the tender while the train was standing on the main line.

The other smaller signal box is still there and is called Lithgow Yard.
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
Though not a trough,SwanPonds on Blayney Cowra was a location many Central West travellers will recall  a water stop on  frosty mornings to fill up tenders .Taps could prove difficult to free ;Bit costly though to have installed a trough here.
  johnboy Chief Commissioner

Location: Up the road from Gulgong
There was a pipe (open channel in places) along side the track from Wentworth Falls Lake to Valley Height Depot but not as a 'pan' or trough for moving refills. Just to provide water to columns at Lawson (which also had a large water storage dam), Springwood and Valley Heights.
  ding ding Beginner

Really interesting to read this stuff.

I am over in the UK and will show my age by remembering the old water troughs in use.

I can recall being on a train in the carraige behind the loco when taking water from the troughs and being soaked to the skin whilst looking out of the carraige window! If the footplate crew weren't watching the tender water gauge whilst filling from the troughs once the tank was full the lid would be forced open by the pressure of water coming into the tender tank leading to an avalanche of water being ejected everywhere!

Suprisingly some of the old water softening plant and water tanks are still in placein a couple of places some forty years after the end of steam in the UK although all trace of the troughs themselves have long gone.

All the best,

Dave
  WayneTedrow Junior Train Controller

Not forgetting the 40 class (UK) diesels had scoops for picking up water on the fly for steam heating boiler requirements.
  WayneTedrow Junior Train Controller

Not forgetting the 40 class (UK) diesels had scoops for picking up water on the fly for steam heating boiler requirements.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
The dam at Blackheath became a municipal swimming pool and is still there.

The station past Wingello (Tallong) also had a dam, which is still there.
awsgc24
The Dam at Blackheath was closed once the electrification was completed and fenced off as the swimming pool is now down behind the main shopping area of Blackheath.
I went to the present pool around 1959/60 and it was part concrete and part dirt dam construction and over the years the Council made it into the proper swimming pool it is today.
The old Loco dam was located on the rise east of the town opposite the Communications Tower that dominates the area and was filled in and made into a park with views to the east across the Mountains into Sydney.
Back in the 70's, The Annual Railway Picnic for the old 'ESK' district was held at the Blackheath Pool before relocating to Mudgee.

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