Traino 48's

 
  a6et Minister for Railways

And they achieve that by selling a limited run at a cheaper price than their competition, really!
kingfisher

The aspect of offering a discounted price in the beginning is used to gauge the amount of interest in a model, especially in an initial run, Auscision does offer only the full paid for one that allows a discount prior to arrival, those paying a deposit only are assured of the actual model number for a locomotive in the order.

It does allow for some adjustments to production numbers as far as the colour schemes & the actual loco numbers in that run. Also helpe with the sales when the model is in production or about to go into production to announce which numbers are sold out &/or running short therefore gaining extra orders for those as well. They along with all the importers reach a point in time where they cannot alter the order even in the paint schemes, so it makes good business sense in their eyes to do so.

Of interest though is there is often a call for importers to do reruns of models, many modellers have wanted TOR to rerun the 42, 47, & 49cl as well as the S class, they have said it is their intention to do so, they need to get all the 48/830cl out first as well as the remaining GM numbers, interestingly to me & others, I can only remember a couple of items of RS that Auscision has rerun, which includes the NSW NDFF, the 2nd run of which had a price increase of $60.00 per pack over the original run.

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  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I simply buy whatever I can afford at the time and have no particular allegiance to any brand actually. However one things does bug me though not about the 48 class locomotives so much but about things like the horns on them made out of bright yellow plastic that is unpainted. It never looks right at all to me, the same goes for AN locomotives with yellow sideframes on the bogies a shot of paint on them would make them match better the existing yellow on them rather than that bright almost fluorescent yellow of the plastic!

It is good to see one company go into competition with another though as this is what drives down prices as the others try to compete with them. Sure some might fall by the wayside doing it, but they at least tried to do it! Model companies going broke is nothing new really, how many times has the Hornby Company done it over the years at least three times or more and they are still there though!

They are business's first up and are there to make a profit if you want to see more products from them, it is only the profit they make that enables this to be done. If they don't make a profit they are dead in the water almost. A vicious circle but only the strong survive!
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
I simply buy whatever I can afford at the time and have no particular allegiance to any brand actually. However one things does bug me though not about the 48 class locomotives so much but about things like the horns on them made out of bright yellow plastic that is unpainted. It never looks right at all to me, the same goes for AN locomotives with yellow sideframes on the bogies a shot of paint on them would make them match better the existing yellow on them rather than that bright almost fluorescent yellow of the plastic!

It is good to see one company go into competition with another though as this is what drives down prices as the others try to compete with them. Sure some might fall by the wayside doing it, but they at least tried to do it! Model companies going broke is nothing new really, how many times has the Hornby Company done it over the years at least three times or more and they are still there though!

They are business's first up and are there to make a profit if you want to see more products from them, it is only the profit they make that enables this to be done. If they don't make a profit they are dead in the water almost. A vicious circle but only the strong survive!
David Peters


Tapping and trying to rip the horns off my 48, they're actually brass ones that are painted. Once again, Mr Peters strikes again with the wrong info!

Dan.
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

Tapping and trying to rip the horns off my 48, they're actually brass ones that are painted. Once again, Mr Peters strikes again with the wrong info!

Dan.
alltrainzfan

Dan,

'Some people' just post for the sake of posting, facts are immaterial it seems...

Paul
  a6et Minister for Railways

Just out of curiosity, were all 48's delivered with the coat of arms oval "mounting" on the short hood that stood proud of the angled front?

Reason I ask is that some pictures of 4817 and 4819 on a blog http://southcoastrail.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/48-reasons-to-love-christmas.html show no oval mount on the short hood, yet a picture of 4840 earlier in this thread shows it.

In Ron Preston's 48 book, it appears the mount was certainly removed when units were repainted in other schemes, but I can't find any reference to the mount not being there on Indian Red units.

I would be curious to knows others' thoughts.

Cheers.
LiverpoolRange

Ian

Yes, all the 48's were delivered with the NSW coat of arm oval plate on both ends. #1 end was mounted on a welded oval section  that sat along the front as you state, & just as you say the welded on mounts were generally removed later, owing to the water getting in & sitting in the bottom & causing rust.

The history of the mods as it were came into play with the establishment of the PTC, when the oval State of Arms plates were removed, in order to change to the L7 logo's although the 48's really did not get that sticker on them.  As the plates were on Stainless steel they were removed for "safe keeping" as directions went out to depots.  The speed of removal was a basic unknown but they certainly were removed at least when they went into Cardiff for overhauls.  I do know of some who have them in their collection, but they could have come off any number of other classes of loco's as well as the 48cl

The front mounting plate was generally then cut off & flat ground back to conform with the front of the locomotive.  As I said in another reply, these models represent a mid 70's version after Cardif overhauls with stencilled number box lights & with fletner vents, thus having both with no coat of arms as well as with them is correct.

A check on the Burrowa blog shows 4812 as does the TOR news page with the coat of arms on it & both ends at that.

I would assume that those involved with the R&D of these models would have clear photo's of the locomotives showing their number & whether or not fitted with the coat of arms & that is in the old Tuscan & the later darker Brown schemes as well. I do not reccolect seeing any with the coat of arms from the reverse scheme onwards, but who could rule it out especially if photo's show them.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Don't worry Dan, DP won't be buying another TrainOrama product ever again, so he'll never have to worry about what the horns are made from and how they're painted... He likely now thinks that the horns are cast in yellow brass.
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

Don't worry Dan, DP won't be buying another TrainOrama product ever again, so he'll never have to worry about what the horns are made from and how they're painted... He likely now thinks that the horns are cast in yellow brass.
Aaron


... or Fools Gold!

Paul
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
... or Fools Gold!

Paul
FirstStopCentral

For all those bagging David Peters it might be worthwhile going back to read the post in question.  It appears to me, although not 100% unambiguous, that the comment about the horns does not apply to the Traino 48.  Just saying.

Best regards,
John
  linton78 Train Controller

Location: South Coast NSW
I agree John. That's the way I read it.

Linton
  a6et Minister for Railways

I agree John. That's the way I read it.

Linton
linton78

While I see what JB is saying, I also think David Peters is having a bit of a dig both ways ""However one things does bug me though not about the 48 class locomotives so much but about things like the horns on them made out of bright yellow plastic that is unpainted."" The photo's of the 2x48's on the SC rail blog does show one of of the 48's with all yellow air horns, thus it is included in his dislike arena, but, not so much.

However, I agree with what he goes on to say regarding the yellow bogies on the models he mentions.  I guess this is often a bit of a problem as the factories often tend to use coloured plastics in a fair few items on models, if matched ok it cuts down some area of costs with the need to paint them, trouble is that in certain colours such as yellow its not always succesfull.
  Indefatigable Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Wow they look beautiful! Thanks for the photos Ben. By the way, where did you pick up the backdrop in Photo 2?

Cheers
Shelton
Shazam75

No worries Shelton.

The backdrop in photo 2 is 'Barinore' from the Haskell range. I wanted to introduce forced perspective by using the smaller version, but also wanted a bigger sky, so I had a custom sky-coloured back drop made in the US, cut out the Haskell one and stuck it on top.

More info in this entry here on my blog.

Cheers,
Ben
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

http://www.tomshobbies.com.au/index.php/news

Trainorama have updated there news page about the 48 /830 class


Second update in a couple of weeks .
  PoidaGarratt Station Staff

I know it's early days, but has anyone taken apart the bogies on the 48 to see what the gears look like ?

I am anxious to see / hear reports on how well designed these babies are before I commit to the Traino unit.

Regards,

Gary
  a6et Minister for Railways

I know it's early days, but has anyone taken apart the bogies on the 48 to see what the gears look like ?

I am anxious to see / hear reports on how well designed these babies are before I commit to the Traino unit.

Regards,

Gary
"PoidaGarratt"



I wondered how long it would take before this sort of rubbish was posted.  

I also wonder what the problems have been with the competition models that have been returned to the importers, & then on sold in bargain bins at exhibitions, with the no return, no guarantee sign at the top.

If I was wanting to test a model to see what the gears were like, or any other working component of any model was going to be like I would put it on a layout & run the thing non stop under load for a week non stop & see how they perform if not good they are under warranty & will be replaced under warranty.

One of the models was on a layout at Liverpool & run all but non stop, & was subsequently sent to DCC Sound for their use, from reports put out the model went without any problems.
  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba
I wondered how long it would take before this sort of rubbish was posted.  

I also wonder what the problems have been with the competition models that have been returned to the importers, & then on sold in bargain bins at exhibitions, with the no return, no guarantee sign at the top.

If I was wanting to test a model to see what the gears were like, or any other working component of any model was going to be like I would put it on a layout & run the thing non stop under load for a week non stop & see how they perform if not good they are under warranty & will be replaced under warranty.

One of the models was on a layout at Liverpool & run all but non stop, & was subsequently sent to DCC Sound for their use, from reports put out the model went without any problems.
"a6et"


I often wonder why people expect to use others as guinea pigs, as you say, buy and try, you either want it or you don't.
  a6et Minister for Railways

I often wonder why people expect to use others as guinea pigs, as you say, buy and try, you either want it or you don't.
"Teditor"



Very True Ted, I also wonder why many of those people who come on with these things wanting others to be guinea pigs are new players on RP, or perhaps a new tag, & if they have motivation from the competitors?

If you don't trust one brand, then wait a year or more for the competitors version which should be perfect like all their products so far.
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
Very True Ted, I also wonder why many of those people who come on with these things wanting others to be guinea pigs are new players on RP, or perhaps a new tag, & if they have motivation from the competitors?
"a6et"


I read it on the interweb thingy, so it must be true....

If you don't trust one brand, then wait a year or more for the competitors version which should be perfect like all their products so far.
"a6et"


Cough - seventy - cough - three - cough class

excuse me,

could i get a class of water, yes, thank you very much.

Regards,

Catchpoint
  PoidaGarratt Station Staff

Well I thought it was a straight forward query.

If the few 'old woman' on this site cannot respond in a positive manner then maybe they should keep their negative opinions to yourselves.

My query still remains and I look forward to genuine comments from those who have investigated.

Gary
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Well I thought it was a straight forward query.
"PoidaGarratt"


Yes, I agree. No problem with asking the question


If the few 'old woman' on this site cannot respond in a positive manner then maybe they should keep their negative opinions to yourselves.
Gary
"PoidaGarratt"


But no, I don't agree with that. That oversteps the mark by insulting other posters.
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
But no, I don't agree with that. That oversteps the mark by insulting other posters.
TheBlacksmith
Not only that but could infuriate feminist readers by using "old woman" as a derogatory term.
  a6et Minister for Railways

I read it on the interweb thingy, so it must be true....



Cough - seventy - cough - three - cough class

excuse me,

could i get a class of water, yes, thank you very much.

Regards,

Catchpoint
"catchpoint"


Oh! but that would imply they had something that had problems, I guess that would be the only one then.

Trust the water helped.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Not only that but could infuriate feminist readers by using "old woman" as a derogatory term.
"John_Bushell"



But! how do you get  Few, which implies more than one or as generally accepted being 3 & apply it to a singular "old woman"?
  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba
Not only that but could infuriate feminist readers by using "old woman" as a derogatory term.
"John_Bushell"


No defense needed on my part, I just stated the obvious, not only on Railpage, but worldwide.

Old Woman, so be it, but at least I have made it this far! 67 and still counting!

68 in a months time, if anyone wishes to give me a 48 for my birthday, I am happy to accept, sight unseen or tested, pm me for the postal address.
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
Oh! but that would imply they had something that had problems, I guess that would be the only one then.

Trust the water helped.
"a6et"


Willing to stand corrected but your post seemed to imply that the "other" importer bringing out a forthcoming 48 class locomotive model, were faultless with all their released products to date...just sayin

Regards,

Catchpoint
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Okay, I'm a little confused (nothing new there I guess). The following is all a little bit tongue in cheek......

This is NOT a complaint!!!

When I spoke to a "Michael" at the shop a few months ago, I was informed that the 3 locos I would be receiving were: 4817, 4883 and 848 (without shrike). I know, because I jotted the numbers down and then went straight to the shed, fired-up my NCE system and Decoderpro and proceeded to program 3 Tsunami decoders so they'd be ready to install straight away. To be perfectly honest, I don't really care what the running numbers are, as long as they don't overlap with the 7 locos I have ordered from their competitor. I can quickly change the running numbers of the decoders on Decoderpro....no problemo.

Now, reading the latest news on the website, it appears that 4883 is an unannounced model that is available to purchasers regardless of whether they have placed an order some time ago or not. the last mentioned loco in "my" trio (848) doesn't even appear to be on the list at all....now it is to be 847 and 858 followed some time later by 836 and 849....no mention of 848!

I am further confused by their request NOT to phone the shop....but I think I may actually get the gist of this.....They are saying that if you're only going to ring up to check on how your order is proceeding, then DON'T bother as ringing will not expedite it. However, IF you want to buy one of the hitherto unannounced models (4840 or 4883), then by all means ring and place your order. Fair enough I guess.......but I wonder if I was awaiting for news on my pre-ordered models (which I'm not allowed to ring about), but I wanted to buy one of either 4840 or 4883, would I be breaking their rules if I were to ask how my pre-existing order was proceeding?? I know, I'm just being bloody silly!!! hahaha.

Anyway, that's my giggle-fix for the day....

Roachie

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