Queensland Government Election and the fate of QR Brisbane

 
  mb67 Junior Train Controller

If Queensland Rail were to be offered as one of these "leases", which might as well be a sale, what operator would seriously want to take it?

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  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
A non-unionised one, perhaps ...
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Apparently there is an Exit Poll out, which states Campbell Newman to loose, albeit slightly

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Could Queensland end up with a hung parliament ?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Early massive swing against Newman in his home seat of Ashgrove

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
An historic and amazing result for Labor in Queensland with the election too close to call at 8:30 EST.

Stratospheric swings of up to 30% in Bundaberg being the most extreme....and of course, Premier Campbell Newman losing his seat....a complete repudiation of the former LNP government policies.

For political watchers... this is jaw dropping stuff

Mike.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
At 9:30pm EST...ABC and Antony Green are calling the election as a 3 seat majority for Labor.

If final counting holds for all seats, and Labor wins one of the 2 doubtful seats...then this is a truly amazing historic result.
  mclaren2007 Assistant Commissioner

Location: recharging my myki
The Queensland people have a short memory don't they?
  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
The Queensland people have a short memory don't they?

And shallow pockets, as the funding of service provision has always been an issue with the large land area and limited manufacturing base. The state is insolvent and politics has no answers, instead it divvies up the limited loan funds into all manner of populist projects.

We may have been better off never having joined the Commonwealth... at least then the right to tax would have remained here, instead of the ongoing bunfight with the Feds. The State would doubtless have developed very differently, and issues like the pro secession northerners might have been free to be addressed sensibly, rather than with an outright 'no.'

Back in reality (at least this one we suffer now), the LNP are blaming the loss on Federal issues whilst the ALP are attributing the win to State issues such as asset leasing.

Any privatisation of passenger services (metro or long distance) is likely now off the table until after the next election, at the very least. But I daresay the Inlander and Westie won't get their sleepers back.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
All of the states would've been better off if they had a bigger share of revenue, but it makes sense for the Feds to do the tax collection.

The real problem is that Queensland is really 3 states in one. Secession isn't necessary if each region feels like it has some actual agency.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The Queensland people have a short memory don't they?
mclaren2007
Not at all. However it does send a clear message, again, that voters don't like arrogance, especially when it means thousands of people losing their jobs. There was no pretty way to do this (and it was needed), but you at least need to a different approach.

It would also appear that voters expected a LNP win and that they were doing a protest vote and didn't expect this outcome, if so ALP are very much on notice.

ALP have now had all the dirty work to fix up their previous F_ups done for them. The budget is close to be balanced and the debt likely to be stable. They should enjoy a much easier ride and hopefully they get enough seats to goven in their own right. Last thing we need is a hung Parliament.

...and Locojoe67. I hope you are not implying that the loss of the sleepers is a LNP'ism? The last ALP govt closed more lines in Qld than probably any other combined. While just rumors, the rumors were very strong the services were to be axed under ALP and they didn't order new cars to replace the aging sleepers. They ordered a new CTT, so they certainly new they needed to go.

And any talk of succession is up their with wako Quebec's. The ongoing succession in Quebec and other parts of Canada has done nothing for political stability and common sense thinking, so it won't work here. Qld spent the first 100years sticking its handout from the feds for money and was well known to be funded by NSW/Vic taxpayers. Only in recent times have things turned somewhat. Looking at Qld's political past and extreme corruption, i would hate to think where the state would be if it had been a separate country.
  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
I hope you are not implying that the loss of the sleepers is a LNP'ism?

Not at all. Falling patronage and no investment for replacement would have achieved the same ending under most administrations.

If there is a point, it is that Government makes and breaks promises as it sees fit. Like the mass public service severances, the LNP gambled that the electorate would either forget the more publicly-repeated broken promises of a first-term government, or that it would cost fewer seats than expected. It was a calculated gamble but given the majority it held it was supposedly a reasonable gamble. Until yesterday.

As to secession, which country will be first to leave the Eurozone? Greece? Germany? Or perhaps Spain or Portugal? Political unification by force is not unity at all. Government is after all simply a monopoloy of force over a specific geographic area.
  Johnmc Moderator

Location: Cloncurry, Queensland
The Queensland people have a short memory don't they?
mclaren2007
It goes back to 2001, where we gave Labor a huge majority - 66 seats out of 89 - the Beattie goverment took this as carte blanche to basically do as they pleased, and as a result, the Beattie/Bligh era was a huge spending orgy that left us in financial straits, and we gave them the biggest kick in the pants that we've ever given a Labor goverment.

The Newman goverment was the hangover.  But didn't wait for another election to start doing as they pleased.

And now we've given Newman and even bigger boot, and told Ms Palaszczuk "We're giving you idiots a second chance. If you screw up again, kiss government goodbye for a LONG time."  

Regardless of who gets across the line - I'm not willing to give it Labor *just* yet - it will be the first time in nearly a decade and a half where we will have a parliament where the Opposition will have the numbers to keep the goverment in check.

Palmer United is gone, One Nation only showed life in Lockyer - where Pauline was contesting, and the Katters kept the two seats they've started with, and are basically now just glorified Independants.  (I'm quite happy with that.  My seat - Mount Isa, held by Rob Katter - was the only seat in the state to record swings against the LNP and Labor.  My inner nonconformist is quite chuffed with that.)

And I think that having to spell "Palaszczuk" on a daily basis should count as some sort of punishment in it's own right...
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
It goes back to 2001, where we gave Labor a huge majority - 66 seats out of 89 - the Beattie goverment took this as carte blanche to basically do as they pleased, and as a result, the Beattie/Bligh era was a huge spending orgy that left us in financial straits, and we gave them the biggest kick in the pants that we've ever given a Labor goverment.

The Newman goverment was the hangover.  But didn't wait for another election to start doing as they pleased.

And now we've given Newman and even bigger boot, and told Ms Palaszczuk "We're giving you idiots a second chance. If you screw up again, kiss government goodbye for a LONG time."  

Regardless of who gets across the line - I'm not willing to give it Labor *just* yet - it will be the first time in nearly a decade and a half where we will have a parliament where the Opposition will have the numbers to keep the goverment in check.

Palmer United is gone, One Nation only showed life in Lockyer - where Pauline was contesting, and the Katters kept the two seats they've started with, and are basically now just glorified Independants.  (I'm quite happy with that.  My seat - Mount Isa, held by Rob Katter - was the only seat in the state to record swings against the LNP and Labor.  My inner nonconformist is quite chuffed with that.)

And I think that having to spell "Palaszczuk" on a daily basis should count as some sort of punishment in it's own right...
Johnmc
YUP! Well said
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I hope you are not implying that the loss of the sleepers is a LNP'ism?

Not at all. Falling patronage and no investment for replacement would have achieved the same ending under most administrations.

If there is a point, it is that Government makes and breaks promises as it sees fit. Like the mass public service severances, the LNP gambled that the electorate would either forget the more publicly-repeated broken promises of a first-term government, or that it would cost fewer seats than expected. It was a calculated gamble but given the majority it held it was supposedly a reasonable gamble. Until yesterday.

As to secession, which country will be first to leave the Eurozone? Greece? Germany? Or perhaps Spain or Portugal? Political unification by force is not unity at all. Government is after all simply a monopoloy of force over a specific geographic area.
locojoe67
Don't know if there are that many broken promises or many compared to others but he was certainly arrogant in his approach and this doesn't help. If I draw comparison to running a govt to big business. I see companies having to change course and undo previous commitments so I am willing to accept the odd broken promise if circumstances change or not what they first appeared.

Anyway, there was no commitment by ALP to alt the current path of the Westie and Inlander future. The likely outcome is that with a non National party in govt the two services are now more at risk than ever of closure and their numbers do not justify further expenditure. Rejigging the timetable may help, sleepers may also help, but are we talking to continue running a train with an average of
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

It's looking more likely that any ruling party would require cross-bench support to gain government:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/queensland-election-2015-rob-katter-poised-to-be-kingmaker/story-fnr8rfrw-1227204031275?nk=991622e210027fa41465cad7978b7022

Notice the deal-breaker: “Asset sales, that’s the only deal breaker for us. We signed an accord (to oppose privatisation) with Independent Peter Wellington.” - Rob Katter.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
There is an emerging central theme.

No large surpluses

Stop these stupid austerity measures


Start doing what the people want not want politicans want.

Newman was planning a large road tunnel in Brisbane which if built would have made Brisbane a city with the largeat number of road tunnel kms in the world.

Totally unnecessary.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
There is an emerging central theme.

No large surpluses

Stop these stupid austerity measures


Start doing what the people want not want politicans want.

Newman was planning a large road tunnel in Brisbane which if built would have made Brisbane a city with the largeat number of road tunnel kms in the world.

Totally unnecessary.
freightgate
Problem is,

The govt budget must break slightly better than even over a period of time. Try and run your credit card at a loss longterm and see what your bank does about it. You can spend to grow, but you need pay back to the entity who started the spending, ie the govt.

Austerity isn't required if stupidity doesn't put you in the $hit in the first place. As said by others above. Austerity is the hangover for a good party. Greece, Spain, Portugal, etc have all learnt the hard way, why must we follow this path to failure?

Cities need good traffic flow. Even the most PT friendly in cities in Europe often have hwy's/tunnels and bridges etc to keep traffic out of inner city streets. Oslo has an extensive tunnel network under their foreshore to take traffic out of the city streets and its much better for it. Nearly all German cities have free ways, tunnels and by-passes. Good PT is essential, but so is a good road network, but agree there is a limit. I'm not sure which tunnel you are refering to but once Legacy Way is complete I would have thought this would have completed the required city by-pass triangle that was approved by Beatie 10 years back.

Many voters have unrealistic expectations from their govts.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
It's looking more likely that any ruling party would require cross-bench support to gain government:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/queensland-election-2015-rob-katter-poised-to-be-kingmaker/story-fnr8rfrw-1227204031275?nk=991622e210027fa41465cad7978b7022

Notice the deal-breaker: “Asset sales, that’s the only deal breaker for us. We signed an accord (to oppose privatisation) with Independent Peter Wellington.” - Rob Katter.
Carnot
This will be an interesting outcome. No party is more pro asset sales than ALP, look at their history state and national.

LNP said they couldn't build CRR/UBAT and other infrastructure etc unless they lease/sold some assets to write off some debt and bring in some much needed cash.

ALP now have the books, the debt they left behind from last time is still there. Meaning there is little scope for more borrowings, so large scale infrastructure projects will only proceed on similar time frames unless they sell/lease, raise taxes (very un-popular), cut spending in other areas (post Newman, unlikely), get private funding in some manner which is privatisation by stealth.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
100000 people protested against austerity measures in Madrid overnight.
  mb67 Junior Train Controller

Interesting to note that the RTBU has come out and said that this ALP Govt will mean no privatisation of QR, nor the Mt Isa Corridor. I'm not too sure on the Mt Isa Corridor dealings, I thought the ARTC already had it's hands deep in with that?

  Johnmc Moderator

Location: Cloncurry, Queensland
Interesting to note that the RTBU has come out and said that this ALP Govt will mean no privatisation of QR, nor the Mt Isa Corridor. I'm not too sure on the Mt Isa Corridor dealings, I thought the ARTC already had it's hands deep in with that?
mb67
There's another thread somewhere about the Mt Isa corridor.  It was going to be sold as a package with the port of Townsville.  It would be far too much of a big ticket item to palmed off onto the ARTC as a mere hand-me-down.

Edit: Actually, it's this very thread, on the first page.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Like this one



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MwHmbuwTjM
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
100000 people protested against austerity measures in Madrid overnight.
freightgate
Horse has bolted, lived a life and died of old age. With 23% unemployment its probably a family outing so no wonder so many are there.

They should have protested against the conditions that got them into this position in the first place. Do you know how many airports in Spain have been built and never had a plane? I'm talking big airports.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170886/Spains-ghost-airport-The-1BILLION-transport-hub-closed-just-years-thats-falling-rack-ruin.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/9084202/Castellon-airport-Spanish-ghost-airports-unused-runway-to-be-dug-up-to-meet-regulations.html

Thats just the start!

Things are improving for the Spaniards so the current path must be close to the mark. The debt will however haunt them for many years to come.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/spain/gdp-growth-annual
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/spain/unemployment-rate
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/spain/stock-market

Note:
I have relatives in Spain affected by the crash and unemployment.
I have also have a number of Greek friends who will tell you quite clearly that their countries collapse was a long time coming.

Someone once famous once said that "...the problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money!"
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
There is an emerging central theme.

No large surpluses

Stop these stupid austerity measures


Start doing what the people want not want politicans want.
freightgate
I hope you don't ever take on the role of treasurer of any organisation !

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