Queensland Government Election and the fate of QR Brisbane

 
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I hope you don't ever take on the role of treasurer of any organisation !
Nightfire
Agree, not sure why people feel govts are capable to run at a loss indefinitely and their debt levels are not important.

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  BrianBS Locomotive Driver

.......................Newman was planning a large road tunnel in Brisbane which if built would have made Brisbane a city with the largeat number of road tunnel kms in the world.............................
freightgate
Err ! No.

The tunnel that Newman was planning was a combined double-deck BUS ONLY and RAIL ONLY tunnel under the CBD. It would have through-linked northern bus services to southern bus services and northern rail services to southern rail services - this would have given a better cross-city flow for the workers who live on one side of the city, but work on the other side of the city, as well as those who commute from the burbs to the CBD - it would have taken a fair number of single-commuter cars off the congested road system. It was not, and never was, intended to be a general road tunnel.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Could Queensland end up with a hung parliament ?
freightgate
Consider the current situation.

89 seats

44 ALP
43 LNP

1 IND
2 x KATTER, both parties have said they will not join forces with Katter.

PUP candidate for FG, the candidate is a likely undeclared backrupt, so back to the polls. History says FG normally is a ALP.

At best ALP will have 45 seats, or 44 + IND to get 45. They are one bi-election away from collapse. History shows in Qld and other states this position is very unstable. By-elections have a habit of going against the govt unless in very safe seat. Goss govt got ousted on same.

Not expecting to win, the ALP have no policies apart from a few promises to spend money on non revenue projects and not sell/lease anything. They have tied their own hands and have no large scale funding for big projects, like the CRR/UBAT. On top of this they have a very inexperienced team and most of the front bench will be made up of people who have never been in govt. A steep learning curve that has claimed a few scalps and seats in the past, including Newman's govt.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Consider the current situation.

Not expecting to win, the ALP have no policies apart from a few promises to spend money on non revenue projects and not sell/lease anything. They have tied their own hands and have no large scale funding for big projects, like the CRR/UBAT. On top of this they have a very inexperienced team and most of the front bench will be made up of people who have never been in govt. A steep learning curve that has claimed a few scalps and seats in the past, including Newman's govt.
RTT_Rules

...and the former Newman government, now a disjointed, dispirited and at present leaderless rabble have no revenue due to the now abandoned sale of government infrastructure to implement many of their policies in the unlikely event they get over the line with the help of the Katter party boys.

Little or no experience of being in government is never a legitimate reason for a party to not be permitted to occupy the government benches.

In Australia Shane we have a democracy, overseen in this case by the Queensland Electoral Commission.

Mike.
  elrc Locomotive Driver

...and the former Newman government, now a disjointed, dispirited and at present leaderless rabble have no revenue due to the now abandoned sale of government infrastructure to implement many of their policies in the unlikely event they get over the line with the help of the Katter party boys.

Little or no experience of being in government is never a legitimate reason for a party to not be permitted to occupy the government benches.

In Australia Shane we have a democracy, overseen in this case by the Queensland Electoral Commission.

Mike.
The Vinelander

YUP! well said
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
...and the former Newman government, now a disjointed, dispirited and at present leaderless rabble have no revenue due to the now abandoned sale of government infrastructure to implement many of their policies in the unlikely event they get over the line with the help of the Katter party boys.

Little or no experience of being in government is never a legitimate reason for a party to not be permitted to occupy the government benches.

In Australia Shane we have a democracy, overseen in this case by the Queensland Electoral Commission.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Mike,
This election is worst case outcome and don't disagree with your assessment completely

ALP - No experience (yes there is history to show this isn't good, ALP needed two terms to build a good team), didn't expect to win, no policies of significance. no alt funding arrangements, legacy debt ridden govt is there strongest value and hardly of value.

LNP - No leader (for now), at least had a plan, but cannot continue this plan in partnership with others so yes effectively policeyless/

Neither party has scope to do much at all, both if they formed majority govt could at least sell stuff to get things moving. Yes wouldn't be the first time ALP has gone to polls in Qld with no asset sales and still sold stuff.

Outcome, election cost a waste. More debt to govt, 1-2 years stagnation, new election before end of next year.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

Outcome, election cost a waste. More debt to govt, 1-2 years stagnation, new election before end of next year.
RTT_Rules

Nope...don't agree. As I said in another thread...Baillieu/Napthine in Victoria ran a 4 year term with a majority of 1, though they lost last year and the pendulum went back to Labor.

Antony Green's blog is interesting reading and consequently the LNP have virtually no hope of falling over the line, even with the Katter boys.

http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2015/02/the-impact-of-ferny-grove-on-forming-government-in-queensland.html

Mike.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Nope...don't agree. As I said in another thread...Baillieu/Napthine in Victoria ran a 4 year term with a majority of 1, though they lost last year and the pendulum went back to Labor.

Antony Green's blog is interesting reading and consequently the LNP have virtually no hope of falling over the line, even with the Katter boys.

http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2015/02/the-impact-of-ferny-grove-on-forming-government-in-queensland.html

Mike.
The Vinelander
Vic was different senerio and they at least had a majority of 1. ALP Qld will be lucky to get that and more likely with an IND. With limited political experience, a very rigid policy range limiting their options and a budget that has little room for spending and a population that is fully aware of the economic damage their last term, its going to be hard road..

Agree, Qld LNP will not get over the line and I think their best bet is to simply lick their wounds, rebuild the party and be ready the next time round if Qld ALP cannot perform to voter expectations. As I said, I doubt the govt will go full term.

Regards
Shane
  N463 Locomotive Driver

Vic was different senerio and they at least had a majority of 1. ALP Qld will be lucky to get that and more likely with an IND.
RTT_Rules

A lot like Victoria back in 1999. Then we had the ALP needing 3 independents to govern, and they had to wait on the result of a by-election (where one of the candidates in the seat died) before it was known if even that was possible. Despite this, they went the distance (in those days, governments could call an election anywhere between 3-4 years), and were returned in a landslide in 2002

As I said, I doubt the govt will go full term.
RTT_Rules


Remember that the cross benches will want to keep a minority government going as long as possible, as their own influence over the government will be gone after the next election...
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
A lot like Victoria back in 1999. Then we had the ALP needing 3 independents to govern, and they had to wait on the result of a by-election (where one of the candidates in the seat died) before it was known if even that was possible. Despite this, they went the distance (in those days, governments could call an election anywhere between 3-4 years), and were returned in a landslide in 2002



Remember that the cross benches will want to keep a minority government going as long as possible, as their own influence over the government will be gone after the next election...
N463
And in Tassie in 1989 election, ALP- Green accord, only lasted 2 years before collapsing. Back then the ALP govt was probably the best thing that happened to Tassie in a long time, but got dumped at the election. An independent in Qld crashed the Goss govt mid term.

There are examples of it working and not working but history shows its overall less reliable than full control especially when you the major party has to pair up with a IND or minor party that wants to flex some muscle. Every other state has an upper house to help keep things level, Qld has not. Qld also has a long history of having "more interesting" type of politics. Joh, Hanson, Katter, Palmer to name a few.

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