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  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

At the Kaleen exhibition last year, one layout was running a train made up of both Powerline and Austrains S cars.

The only way you could tell that they were different when the train was moving was that the Tuscan and Russet colours were different.

I drew this to John Eassie's attention since he was responsible for both models, the Powerline models being released by John under the Trax label.

This was despite the Austrains models having correct roof ventilators while the Poweline models had only "Half relief" ventilators.

When the train was stopped, it was clear that the Powerline models had recessed window glazing and slightly smaller window openings but as far as could be seen they were both the same overall size and shape.

John is now only offering FS cars as part of the three car mail van pack, although some of these are being offered at exhibitions removed from the packs.

If flush glazing could be added to the Powerline cars and you only ran cars of different colour schemes together (Say Austrains Indian Red with Powerline Tuscan and Russet - which would be prototypical up to the mid 1960s) the effect wouldn't be too bad. Of course the two manufacturers could get together and match the colours for future production....

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> Of course the two manufacturers could get together and match the colours for future production....


And the pigs are fueled up and ready to take off (and i'm not referring to a 36 Class Pig)!


Paul

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  5711 Assistant Commissioner

I've got a modest set of  PL candy FS/BS cars and have added flushglaze windows and new bogies/kadees and they are come up a treat.
Again Mr Eassie has an aversion for candy but I read in AMRM that he is considering giving them a go in the next run.....'bout time!!!
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
"48 Class News
The NEW 48 Class is to come out in SRA Candy.
Mk1, Mk2, Mk3 and Mk4
Numbered and Un-numbered
ORDER FORMS available soon for prepayment special

JOHN HOLLAND 48 Class also to come soon.
Orders for these too will be available soon"
source: https://www.facebook.com/PowerlineModels
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
https://www.facebook.com/PowerlineModels/photos/a.247158658696060.58114.246203272124932/687957461282842/?type=1&theater
Powerline 830 class expression of interest form/info.
  brissim Chief Train Controller

..........Powerline 830 class expression of interest form/info.
Poath Junction

Its actually pleasing to see a manufacturer/importer with a perhaps more realistic delivery timeframe (PL are indicating a 2016/17 delivery time for the 830s) rather than simply saying "coming soon".

Elsewhere on Powerline's chaotic website I notice they have the candy 48s listed for a "2015" delivery with no delivery time listed against the new/rerun 81/G/BLs.

Tony
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

The candy 48 announcement is curious timing. Not sure when we will see these surface but they should be nice.
My question is - why wait 3-5 years between releasing each colour scheme? With the way the market has been shifting lately, it seems an illogical move to wait and let the gems get away! There is a comment on FB stating that the Bicentennial will come eventually? Glad i am not waiting for that one.

On the subject of the 81/G/BL - that will be a very long wait!
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
The candy 48 announcement is curious timing. Not sure when we will see these surface but they should be nice.
My question is - why wait 3-5 years between releasing each colour scheme? With the way the market has been shifting lately, it seems an illogical move to wait and let the gems get away! There is a comment on FB stating that the Bicentennial will come eventually? Glad i am not waiting for that one.

On the subject of the 81/G/BL - that will be a very long wait!
5711

There is a very old saying "That never put all your eggs in the one basket", this could be the reason for these being spread out like this!
  brissim Chief Train Controller

The candy 48 announcement is curious timing. Not sure when we will see these surface but they should be nice.
My question is - why wait 3-5 years between releasing each colour scheme? With the way the market has been shifting lately, it seems an illogical move to wait and let the gems get away! There is a comment on FB stating that the Bicentennial will come eventually? Glad i am not waiting for that one.

On the subject of the 81/G/BL - that will be a very long wait!
5711

I do recall them saying at the time of the release of the Tuscan 48s that they were expecting other colour scheme to follow at about 6 month intervals. Clearly this hasn't happened and yet another illustration of just how little (or no) control any of the producers have over the Chinese factories.

What I continue to try and fathom with PL is why they continue to seemingly put priority on the 48s at the expense of the 81s etc. Yes I know they've done all the hard work in producing all 4 marks of the NSWGR 48, but I would have thought with the long delays in the delivery of Austrains 81/G/BL - and the subsequent less than impressive result - that PL would be putting all effort into getting their rerun/new 81/G/BLs to the marketplace. This would seem to be re-enforced with Auscision's 48 coming in another year or two. At this rate by the time PL can get around to covering all colour schemes of their 48 (and possibly 830), Auscision would have very likely delivered theirs in all the colours of the rainbow.

Tony
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
Interesting to see the S Cars are seemingly just around the corner going by the post on Wed 27/8?

Will be watching to see what they put behind the $ sign on the price tag - considering NQR S Cars are fetching $60!

Wolfpac
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


Powerline S carriage pre-order pricing released via https://www.facebook.com/PowerlineModels
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
I wonder how far away they are. Couldn't see an estimated delivery date on the form. Guess somebody can ask at Sandown on the weekend?
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
I wonder how far away they are. Couldn't see an estimated delivery date on the form. Guess somebody can ask at Sandown on the weekend?
TheMeddlingMonk

Powerline do not attend the Sandown exhibition. Would be simpler to ask on their facebook page.
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Powerline do not attend the Sandown exhibition. Would be simpler to ask on their facebook page.
Poath Junction
Okay... I definitely saw Sandown in their list of exhibitions for the year on their website (here). They also have mentioned it on their Facebook page. I don't have Facebook, but fortunately somebody else has already asked anyway.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
That's a list of exhibitions, not a list of exhibitions they'll be attending.
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Okay, thanks for the clarification. I think they could probably be a bit clearer about it, but no point debating it further.

Will keep an eye on their Facebook page and see if they update it with details on the release date.
  2LaGrange Train Controller

Powerline do not attend the Sandown exhibition. Would be simpler to ask on their facebook page.
Poath Junction

As far as I am aware Powerline usually do not have a separate stand at exhibitions however they are owned by the owner of Trainworld and Trainworld do attend Sandown and many other exhibitions.

The Powerline 48 is produced in the same factory Auscision use so there is certainly no factory capacity constraints stopping them from producing all the different liveries of 48 class at one time just like Auscision do with all their locos, I would say it is Powerlines choice not to produce all liveries at one time.

The S car upgrades will be popular when they get here but I would not be holding my breath with Powerlines Glacial pace of releases.

The pictures on the S car order forms are of original production models, they do not have any pictures of modified tooling so one has to ask have they actually done the tooling modifications yet ?

If they had why wouldn't they publish these images ?

My guess is they have not even started tooling changes/upgrades so these S cars are still a long way off.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
As far as I am aware Powerline usually do not have a separate stand at exhibitions however they are owned by the owner of Trainworld and Trainworld do attend Sandown and many other exhibitions.

The Powerline 48 is produced in the same factory Auscision use so there is certainly no factory capacity constraints stopping them from producing all the different liveries of 48 class at one time just like Auscision do with all their locos, I would say it is Powerlines choice not to produce all liveries at one time.

The S car upgrades will be popular when they get here but I would not be holding my breath with Powerlines Glacial pace of releases.

The pictures on the S car order forms are of original production models, they do not have any pictures of modified tooling so one has to ask have they actually done the tooling modifications yet ?

If they had why wouldn't they publish these images ?

My guess is they have not even started tooling changes/upgrades so these S cars are still a long way off.
2LaGrange
And the pictures were all of original production upgraded couplers only, so I think you are right on the money! Lifting the price to $125 and yet original dies are being refurgished and updated?  You cannot add to a die, only subtract, as far as I know, so all the required fixes will not be done. Sounds like a clean up, new bogies, scale wheels add Kadees add an interior. About what I have done to the old cars. Even fitting interiors and modified under frames is only what we all have done over the years

Cheers
Rod
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

Typical Comport, profit over quality.

Paul
  73LJWhiteSL Deputy Commissioner

Location: South East Melbourne Surburbs
With a price of double what they were asking for those NQR ones, I would hope we are going to see that value for money. Not so sure just adding interiors and Knuckle couplers is going to cut it, given how plain the exterior of those models, especially beside the Auscision N sets.

If they are decent tho would be happy to have something to run behind my Auscision WCR B.

Steve
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Without knowing the release date, I have to wonder if the price is affected by the cost increases in China. We already know that some manufacturers are increasing their locomotive prices and including sound to soften the blow; what is the effect going to be on rollingstock?
  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
With a price of double what they were asking for those NQR ones
73LJWhiteSL

Which were priced pretty high to begin with for NQR models.

Although I got lucky with those, the V/Line one I picked up was just missing some grey from the roof.  
10 seconds with a bush and some grey craft paint and you'd never know.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


Pre-order pricing even cheaper than Auscisions 48's!
https://www.facebook.com/PowerlineModels/photos/a.247158658696060.58114.246203272124932/789164027828851/?type=1&theatre
  2LaGrange Train Controller

Isn't it funny how there were dire pedictions of a doomed industry with Auscisions percieved predatory pricing and duplication but wow Powerline now dropping their prices by $100 !!! Nothing like competition to bring down prices to the benifit of all.

I know whos will be more accrate and it aint Powerlines 48.
  anzac1959 Chief Commissioner



Pre-order pricing even cheaper than Auscisions 48's!
https://www.facebook.com/PowerlineModels/photos/a.247158658696060.58114.246203272124932/789164027828851/?type=1&theatre
Poath Junction
Look at the price $215 shame I don't model candy and im not about to start
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Two or three things
Ditching the stupid fan, the martian and the useless DCC chip shows at least someone at the Powerline Temple of Wisdom was listening ?

The price is more a result of using 5 year old dies (paid for in 2010 or thereabouts) which is a distinct advantage.

Now can we suggest they clean up the old fan area so a speaker can be easily installed?
Remember in the first days when Austrains explained why the models would be sold direct? The first run was for "direct sales only" to recover the start up costs, and the second run after the work dies etc were paid for, sold at the same price and extra recovery costs built in, provided the shop keepers margins. It probably still holds true for these pre-orders. The candy at $215 paid in full will end up $350 in the shops after they arrive.
Biggest problem is Powerline run on a different clock to everybody else. They never give an expected time of arrival, because no body can see that far in the future Sad    But if Auscision can bring their 48 out in last quarter 2015, and it spills out to 2016. Powerline would get theirs here in 2020 and spill out to 2025, using their previous special clock Sad
Cheers
Rod Young

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