Rail Taskforce On Track

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 14 Mar 2015 20:43
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Plans for Australia’s first regional suburban train network are on track with the taskforce’s terms of reference released today.

Public Transport Minister Jacinta Allan named Bendigo West Member Maree Edwards as the chair of the Community Consultative Taskforce (CCT).

“Members of the community will be invited by Maree and I to that taskforce and it will include representatives from the council, business and education community and they will be tasked with producing a report... on the demand, the service provisions the community needs and other issues that may be identified,” Ms Allan said.
Rail Taskforce On Track

Plans for trains to operate from 2016.  If they can make the report deadline for June 30th then could be possible.

Rollingstock requirements would need review.  

Would be nice to include Bridgewater.

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  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
I tried to link the article to the previous thread on the topic, but it didn't seem to link up. What's up with that?

As for 'trains running from 2016', that sounds suspiciously like an upgraded V/Line service - every train terminating at either Eaglehawk or Epsom.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
How will Geelong feel about the bendigo project ?

Will they expect the same ?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
I dunno, how does Albury-Wodonga feel about it? Or Ballarat? Or Shepparton? Or (snigger) Mildura?
  blowfish Junior Train Controller

Comparing to cities in the UK with a similar population (Blackpool), light rail is the better option.

Moving up from there, Bristol is probably the next example, with has an 11 station suburban line.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

In the 1950's the VR Commissioners trialled a Geelong Suburban service between South Geelong and  Corio; it lasted all of a week before folding with pathetic patronage .

With  Bendigo one would doubt the potential patronage would justify tying up even a single Sprinter and  Crew just to run a local shuttle when a more frequent urban bus service would be a much cheaper option .

However an Option whereby  bendigo Weekday Off peak frequency went to every 40 minutes with alternate trains terminating/originating at  Epsom and eaglehawk would make far more sense. Then one runs an express shuttle bus each 40 minutes to/from Bendigo station on the leg that does not get the train in that cycle.  An adventurous Government would actually re-open  Eaglehawk to  Marong  and have the alternate trains  originate/terminate at  Epsom and Marong .
  woodford Chief Commissioner

In the 1950's the VR Commissioners trialled a Geelong Suburban service between South Geelong and  Corio; it lasted all of a week before folding with pathetic patronage .

With  Bendigo one would doubt the potential patronage would justify tying up even a single Sprinter and  Crew just to run a local shuttle when a more frequent urban bus service would be a much cheaper option .

However an Option whereby  bendigo Weekday Off peak frequency went to every 40 minutes with alternate trains terminating/originating at  Epsom and eaglehawk would make far more sense. Then one runs an express shuttle bus each 40 minutes to/from Bendigo station on the leg that does not get the train in that cycle.  An adventurous Government would actually re-open  Eaglehawk to  Marong  and have the alternate trains  originate/terminate at  Epsom and Marong .
kuldalai
A short trial will be no good, most people are VERY suspicious of most government actions and will stay  away from a short trail as it will be seen as just that, ie no real attempt at improving services.

I know the following is not what you mean but, Castlemaine residents use the the frequent services as a local pass between Castlemaine and Bendigo, so such things can be used if seen as long term.

woodford
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Comparing to cities in the UK with a similar population (Blackpool), light rail is the better option.

Moving up from there, Bristol is probably the next example, with has an 11 station suburban line.
blowfish

Bendigo has the basis of a light rail option but it currently does not connect wit the railway station (which it once did) and east Bendigo etc.  There are large gaps compared to what the network did look like.  see http://www.railpage.org.au/tram/bendigo.html

Rail is being seen as a way of accessing the outer areas of the city.  My view is Inglewood or Bridgewater (as above) should be included. I the council works quickly to get this in now.  It will pay dividends for patronage IMHO.

As for Geelong and previous attempts, it is a different world now.  It may now yield different results.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
 My view is Inglewood or Bridgewater (as above) should be included. I the council works quickly to get this in now.  It will pay dividends for patronage IMHO.
bevans
You really need to get this Bridgewater / Inglewood Idea out of your head, It's way out of scope and unachievable In the current rolling stock usage climate !
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Rail is being seen as a way of accessing the outer areas of the city.  My view is Inglewood or Bridgewater (as above) should be included. I the council works quickly to get this in now.  It will pay dividends for patronage IMHO.
bevans
Bridgewater is a fair way away from Bendigo proper and has a rather small population (~500 IIR) so there's little point in extending it there. Additionally, it could interfere with the Marong Intermodal's plans - there's a plan on the books to convert Inglewood-Marong to standard gauge if the Sea Lake and Manangatang lines get gauge converted.

As for trams, Geelong has more of a chance of getting trams and/or light rail, given its population and economic climate.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
You really need to get this Bridgewater / Inglewood Idea out of your head, It's way out of scope and unachievable In the current rolling stock usage climate !
Nightfire

I have been tying to get it out of my head but it makes sense.

A bridgewater service (even Inglewood) would catch Bridgewater and Marong.  Just believe it is worth exploring.  Let's wait for the June report.  Let' see what the community wants,
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I have been tying to get it out of my head but it makes sense.

A bridgewater service (even Inglewood) would catch Bridgewater and Marong.  Just believe it is worth exploring.  Let's wait for the June report.  Let' see what the community wants,
bevans
There simply Is not the population to support a passenger service In the Bridgewater area (passenger services withdrawn In the late 70's) towns In that area are In decline due to continual change In the local economy.

The Calder Highway A79 can easily accommodate the local passenger transport needs of the area !
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Not sure about the populations out that way. I so agree with @bevans as far as his comment about the report allowing the community to have input into the decisions.

Personally providing a service to Inglewood would capture Marong and Bridgewater on the line.

Bit it would also capture towns around Inglewood. That may be worth considering.
  blowfish Junior Train Controller

Bendigo has the basis of a light rail option but it currently does not connect wit the railway station (which it once did) and east Bendigo etc.  There are large gaps compared to what the network did look like.  see http://www.railpage.org.au/tram/bendigo.html

Rail is being seen as a way of accessing the outer areas of the city.  My view is Inglewood or Bridgewater (as above) should be included. I the council works quickly to get this in now.  It will pay dividends for patronage IMHO.

As for Geelong and previous attempts, it is a different world now.  It may now yield different results.
bevans
I agree that a light rail network wouldn't be far reaching and probably does stimulate suburban growth, more or less.

The current rail links currently don't serve the eastern suburbs, in particular the La Trobe University campus in Flora Hill.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I agree that a light rail network wouldn't be far reaching and probably does stimulate suburban growth, more or less.

The current rail links currently don't serve the eastern suburbs, in particular the La Trobe University campus in Flora Hill.
blowfish
La Trobe university has a pretty regular bus service at present, although it needs to be better routed to town.

As for the rest of the idea - a suburban rail network would more likely be well patronized if services to the inner suburbs were of a high frequency.  That would necessitate reinstating double tracks from Golden Square to North Bendigo Junction as a minimum IMO.  As for Bridgewater/Inglewood - I honestly struggle to see how that would be feasible.  Perhaps just current Eaglehawk-SCS services originating and terminating in Inglewood instead?

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