HO Scale decals for JHG guards vans........and recommended Humbrol paint for near-enough Tuscan?

 
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
I've finally got hold of 2 Ian Lindsay Models kits of the JHG guards van. These kits didn't come with decals (not included by the manufacturer).

I've been searching on the two sites of the suppliers I am aware of (Casula Hobbies and ARKits), but neither of them have JHG decals.

Does anybody have any ideas about who (if anybody) might sell such decals please?

Thanks in advance.

Roachie

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  NSWGR_5711 Station Master

Location: Ben Lomond
Hi Roachie,

pretty sure I've got some JHG decals somewhere that my dad made up, Ill have a look and get back to you.


Andrew
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Hi Roachie,

pretty sure I've got some JHG decals somewhere that my dad made up, Ill have a look and get back to you.


Andrew
NSWGR_5711
Thanks Andrew....that'd be great if you do have some....

Roachie
  M636C Minister for Railways

I was under the impression that all  NSW goods brake vans painted red in normal service were painted Indian Red, not Tuscan Red.

There were two Tuscan Red LHGs used as temporary terminal cars for RUB sets when a terminal SBS or SFS wasn't available. At least one of these lasted until 1966. They had yellow passenger style number decals.

M636C
  oscar2 Locomotive Fireman

Hi Roachie. No idea about the decals but with regards to Humbrol I've tried a few which I've included below to compare.  

I admit I'm at a loss to remember what brown was applied to what and when. I'll do a bit of research to try and get something right then can't find the correct paint, or I get the research wrong.  But now I'm unable to get paints like Raileys mailed and never tried Floquil before they disappeared, I have to rely on Humbrol alternatives from the LHS. I think I read in an AMRM review that the Raileys IR and Tuscan were accurate so the top two carriages represent their Tuscan and Indian Red respectively. As a kid in the 70s, all I remember was everything was a grimy red/brown and I figure near enough with some weathering will do for me in model form, but that's me. I can sympathise with anyone seeking more accuracy.

So here's an attempt to compare a couple of Humbrol examples of what I've done matched with what's marketed as Indian Red and Tuscan for engines plus Raileys for comparison.

From left to right and working down;
-The Bergs N was brushed with Railey's Tuscan, the bottle lying next to it.  To me I thought it was too light, but I don't know.
-The RUB carriage next to it was sprayed with Raileys Indian Red. No bottle to show.
-The RUB PHS was done with Humbrol Matt 70. Paint tin to the left of it.
-I've recently done a rake of six FO carriages and they were painted with Humbrol Satin 133, the paint tin to the carriage's right.
Both the PHS and FO have been weathered slightly but towards their rooves the paint is untouched. There is another tin further to the right which is Humbrol 113.  A Matt finish, I bought it ages ago as an alternative and did paint something with it but not sure what.  It seems lighter by a smidgeon compared to the other two with a hint of more purple perhaps??
-The three engines below are factory colours; an Auscision 45 factory Indian Red, TOR 49 Indian Red and below that, TOR 4450 as Tuscan.  They very much look the same to me. Despite light catching the curves in the photo, looking at them in person I still can't tell the difference.

The second photo shows an Auscision 422 in Reverse scheme compared to the other three engines. I can't remember what I've read about what brown was used in the Reverse scheme but in this one it's much darker. I've only got early Austrains 80 reverse to compare and all my 80cl look the same brown.

Looking back I think I've shown what not to use for Tuscan;) To me I really liked 70 and 133 as generic NSW browns, but not Tuscan if Tuscan is that Raileys hue.  Anyhow, looking at the Humbrol site and comparing the Raileys Tuscan, I think Red Brown Matt 100 might be worth a try. http://www.humbrol.com/us-en/catalog/product/view/id/970/category/110/  Next days off I'll try and get some and give it a try.




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  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Thanks to everybody for your assistance.....Humbrol 100 will be the go as a starting point....weathering will do the job if the shade isn't completely accurate (I'm not a rivet counter.....close enough is good enough for me)...

Cheers and thanks again.

Roachie
  NSWGR1855 Deputy Commissioner

Thanks to everybody for your assistance.....Humbrol 100 will be the go as a starting point....weathering will do the job if the shade isn't completely accurate (I'm not a rivet counter.....close enough is good enough for me)...

Cheers and thanks again.

Roachie
Roachie
My Humbrol mix for NSW light Indian red / Tuscan red is 8 parts red, 2 parts yellow, one part black. For the darker Indian red, cut back on the yellow slightly. I adjust the ratio to match prototype colour samples I have, but you can use your existing RTR models as a guide and be close enough.

Terry Flynn.
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
My Humbrol mix for NSW light Indian red / Tuscan red is 8 parts red, 2 parts yellow, one part black. For the darker Indian red, cut back on the yellow slightly. I adjust the ratio to match prototype colour samples I have, but you can use your existing RTR models as a guide and be close enough.

Terry Flynn.
NSWGR1855


Thanks Terry....
  robertc Chief Train Controller

Here's another couple of mixes I have used recently to add to your choices Roachie.

Depending what I have in stock at the time, I have used a mix of Humbrol 133 and 19 . Add the 19 to the 133 until you get the shade you like.

Similar with 60 and 70. I use about 50:50.

Overcoat with satin clear 135. That will bring the flat finish back to what you saw wet in the tin and be ready for decals.

The top photo on this page shows carriages painted with the 133/19 mix.
http://trainsinshed.blogspot.com.au/

regards
Bob Comerford

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