Are there any large lever frames in boxes outside Vic ?

 
  hot-axle-box Junior Train Controller

Frankston signal box may now have the largest frame in use in Australia. I know most other states have modernized,
but are there any boxes out side Victoria still using levers ? and if so how many levers are there ? Frankston has 49 levers, so if you know of any lever frame boxes close to having 49 or more levers let us know Wink

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The signal box for access to the ARTC yard in Goulburn ?

Dubbo ?
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Katoomba, Mt Vic, Lithgow coal stage, there are a few about
  NSWRcars Chief Train Controller

Frankston signal box may now have the largest frame in use in Australia. I know most other states have modernized,
but are there any boxes out side Victoria still using levers ? and if so how many levers are there ? Frankston has 49 levers, so if you know of any lever frame boxes close to having 49 or more levers let us know Wink
hot-axle-box
The following are from NSW Environment and Heritage documents.

Some of the boxes have levers out of use.



Katoomba – 40 levers

Mount Victoria - 48 levers

Newnes Junction – 48 levers

Lithgow Coal Stage – 64 levers (41 in use)

Lithgow Yard – 24 levers (16 in use)

Hamilton – 56 levers
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney

Hamilton – 56 levers
NSWRcars

Hamilton is mostly spare levers since rationalisation of sidings.

Newcastle has many miniature levers.

Gosford is a large box with large mechanical levers and small (Kellogg?) electric levers.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

In Queensland the Kuranda Cabin remains the largest in use with 37 levers. Others include Ascot with 30 levers, Laidley and Charters Towers with 20 levers and Ingham with 7 levers. Ingham functions as the interlocking for the main 2ft mainline to Victoria Mill and the North Coast Line, with signals usually set for the much busier 2ft line and the cabin is staffed by the Victoria Mill...train wise, Ingham would be the busiest operating cabin in Queensland. The Charters Towers cabin was closed during 2014 and I believe that frame may be out of use, while Laidley and Ascot are usually cut out and rarely used.
  NSWRcars Chief Train Controller

Gosford is a large box with large mechanical levers and small (Kellogg?) electric levers.
awsgc24
The aforementioned NSW Environment & Heritage docs list Gosford as having 42 mechanical levers.

I daresay few of the 48 levers at Newnes Junction remain in use.

Many levers at the other listed boxes have been converted to electric.

There is also a 28 lever box at Mittagong, seldom used and no idea how many levers are still active.
  Shed_Rat Train Controller

Location: 'A' Shop - Swindon Works
The South Maitland Railway East Greta Junction signal box has 30 levers (unknown how many are still in use). This signal box is still a traditional signal box with semaphore signals, mechanically operated points & level crossing wheel.
  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
The signal box for access to the ARTC yard in Goulburn ?

Dubbo ?
freightgate
Goulburn has been remote access from Junee for over 10 years.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Goulburn has been remote access from Junee for over 10 years.
Fireman Dave
Orphan  mechanical interlockings still in Geelong area  -  North Geelong "C"  (replacement funded 2015/16 will be incorporated into Geelong Signal Control Centre), leaving  South  Geelong the busiest station outside Southern Cross on the VLP network with a 20 lever mechanical frame in 2015  - laughable .
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The aforementioned NSW Environment & Heritage docs list Gosford as having 42 mechanical levers.
NSWRcars

In 1960 with electrification, Gosford was given 102 levers
* 42 mechanical levers
* 60 miniature electrical levers
* it is possible that some mechanical levers were removed to make room for the smaller miniature levers.

* In 1940, Gosford had 3 signal boxes:
** Racecouse Junction (16 Levers)
** Gosford (Station) (50 Levers)
** Gosford North (?? Levers)

A few levers may have become spare since then, as a result of a small amount of track rationalisation.
New levers will be required for the NSFC refuge loops.

Unless the opportunity is taken to completely resignal as part of the NSFC.

Gosford would surely have to be the largest "obsolete" box still in use.
  anuddernut Locomotive Fireman

Location: Near the beach
In WA  there are 5 large signal cabins still around, albeit it no longer in use.

Kwinana - 40 levers still in place.  It originally was at Koojedda on the old eastern railway.

Claremont - 45 levers still in place.  Used as a demonstration by SIGWA(Signal Interest Group of WA).  Open to the public one day a month.  see http://www.sigwa.info

Narrogin - 40 levers - now in the Hotham Valley Tourist Railway yard at Pinjarra.

Subiaco - 45 levers - re-located to Whiteman Park for the Bennett Brook Railway.  It is in the process of being re-configured to control train movements at Whiteman Village Junction - a 3 track bi-directional station.  40 levers will be in use when it is completed.  see http://www.bbr.org.au

Merredin  - 95 levers still in place.  Open to the public as part of museum
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
In 1960 with electrification, Gosford was given 102 levers
* 42 mechanical levers
* 60 miniature electrical levers
* it is possible that some mechanical levers were removed to make room for the smaller miniature levers.
awsgc24
The new 1500m long loops at Gosford are controlled from a CBI interlocking, and the numbers go up to about 114. Not all numbers are used.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
In WA  there are 5 large signal cabins still around, albeit it no longer in use.

Kwinana - 40 levers still in place.  It originally was at Koojedda on the old eastern railway.

Claremont - 45 levers still in place.  Used as a demonstration by SIGWA(Signal Interest Group of WA).  Open to the public one day a month.  see http://www.sigwa.info

Narrogin - 40 levers - now in the Hotham Valley Tourist Railway yard at Pinjarra.

Subiaco - 45 levers - re-located to Whiteman Park for the Bennett Brook Railway.  It is in the process of being re-configured to control train movements at Whiteman Village Junction - a 3 track bi-directional station.  40 levers will be in use when it is completed.  see http://www.bbr.org.au

Merredin  - 95 levers still in place.  Open to the public as part of museum
anuddernut
Note how in WA, the number of levers seem to be multiples of 5.

In NSW, large mechanical levers generally came in multiples of 4.

Did this happen in other states?
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Note how in WA, the number of levers seem to be multiples of 5.

In NSW, large mechanical levers generally came in multiples of 4.

Did this happen in other states?
awsgc24
Yes. Often something in a frame design spanned a number of levers and would result in patterns in frame length.

In a tappet frame this would typically be the locking troughs. In the Victorian design of tappet frame, for example, the troughs came in lengths of 5 or 10 levers. The 10 lever troughs were usual, and so tappet frames typically came in multiples of 10 levers. Less common (but not rare) would be a multiple of 5 levers - these would be made up of a number of 10 lever troughs with a single 5 lever trough at the end. There were a very small number of oddities (e.g. North Geelong C).

For the purposes of completeness in Victoria, I will note that gatewheels were always beyond the tappet troughs. So a tappet frame with a single gatewheel would be a multiple of 10 (or 5) plus 1. Very long frames normally had an access way through the levers. This occupied 2 lever spaces which were not numbered. So long tappet frames were usually a multiple of 10 (or 5) minus 2.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

In 1960 with electrification, Gosford was given 102 levers
* 42 mechanical levers
* 60 miniature electrical levers
* it is possible that some mechanical levers were removed to make room for the smaller miniature levers.

* In 1940, Gosford had 3 signal boxes:
** Racecouse Junction (16 Levers)
** Gosford (Station) (50 Levers)
** Gosford North (?? Levers)

A few levers may have become spare since then, as a result of a small amount of track rationalisation.
New levers will be required for the NSFC refuge loops.

Unless the opportunity is taken to completely resignal as part of the NSFC.

Gosford would surely have to be the largest "obsolete" box still in use.
awsgc24

The current box at Gosford appears to date from c1936 when it had a 50 lever frame. This was made up of 6x8 lever troughs plus a 2 lever unit. In 1960 with the provision of kellogg keys for the running signals, it appears to have been shortened by one bay at the left hand end to become a 42 lever mechanical frame (=5x8+2).

Gosford North had a 32 lever frame. This was described variously as a "Victorian Pattern Cam & Tappet" or a No 6A Pattern (but with tappet locking, of course). The locking troughs were 8 levers long, which differed from the Victorian design.

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