Northern Sydney Freight Corridor (NSFC)

 
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Mentioned on the radio, a closedown on the M2 at Epping to install the bridge for the ETTT,

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  BM3801 Lobster

Location: Go Hard or Go Home!
Departure from the Down Refuge Loop appears to be via a high speed crossover, but entry into that Loop via Back Platform 3 uses an existing probably slow X25 crossover.

Departure and Entry with the Up Refuge Loop is probably via high speed crossovers.
awsgc24
I am been informed by a reliable source that the new Gosford DOWN loop is actually going to be the preferred path for the sparks when the loops are fully operational (I believe that was due to open on the 21st of Feb? I may be wrong though).

The plan is to hold the freights on the mainline at the end of the loop, to avoid each train having to crawl through the X25 points at the south end of the station. The sparks will then go into Platform 3, and depart through the loop and out the crossover at the end of the loop ahead of the freight sitting on the mainline.  

The UP refuge will serve the same purpose as the old UP refuge as an extra peak loop on the way to Sydney, but with no wires for electric stock
  Speedbird1 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Wyee
The first goods train is currently entering the new down refuge at Gosford, ready to wait in the loop.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Mentioned on the radio, a closedown on the M2 at Epping to install the bridge for the ETTT,
awsgc24
The northern half of this bridge has been installed, albeit with no roadbed or sidewalls.


See ETTT thread: https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11376575.htm
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
The first goods train is currently entering the new down refuge at Gosford, ready to wait in the loop.
Speedbird1
Are the loops being fully utilised yet?
  Speedbird1 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Wyee
Are the loops being fully utilised yet?
cootanee
The down refuge has been used a few times for intermodals, and even a 4 car OSCAR overtaking a 4 car V Set in the loop.
The up refuge has not been used, the rails are rusted and every day trackworkers are walking up and down inspecting it.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The down refuge has been used a few times for intermodals, and even a 4 car OSCAR overtaking a 4 car V Set in the loop.
The up refuge has not been used, the rails are rusted and every day trackworkers are walking up and down inspecting it.
Speedbird1

At least one diesel train a day should use the new non-electrified (but train stop equipped) Up Loop to clean the rails.

Similarly one train a day is terminated at East Hills and Lindfield to clean their rails.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
NORTH STRATHFIELD DIVE

Track laying is reasonably complete.

OHW is now being installed.

Signals have been erected; there appear to be about half as many signals on the Relief Line as on the adjacent Up Main. The signals are covered by black hoods.

Question: Is the Up Relief long enough to hold two 1500m long trains?

Concord West has a platform face on the new Up Relief.

ETTT

Earthworks and bridge works continue.

Some of the formation has been covered with the bottom layer of ballast.

Many PP (Planted Post) have been installed for the OHW. Several portal structures are being replaced with longer portals over all three tracks.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
Hopefully the proposed benefits will be realised with freight paths provided during the curfew.
  burgo68 Beginner

I have a few questions regards the northern Sydney freight corridor Rhodes  - North Strathfield   section can anyone answer these
questions for me

1 does anyone know when this line will be operational

2 is the line going to be  bi directional like the southern Sydney freight line.

3 does anyone know why Concord west station number 1 platform has been set up on the freight side to what appears to be able to set down and pick up passengers ie seats , indicator sign's on that side of the platform
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
I have a few questions regards the northern Sydney freight corridor Rhodes  - North Strathfield   section can anyone answer these
questions for me

1 does anyone know when this line will be operational

2 is the line going to be  bi directional like the southern Sydney freight line.

3 does anyone know why Concord west station number 1 platform has been set up on the freight side to what appears to be able to set down and pick up passengers ie seats , indicator sign's on that side of the platform
burgo68
1. "Soon"

2. There only appear to be Up signals on the new Relief line. There does not appear to be a high speed trailing crossover near Rhodes needed by any BiDi.

3. Concord has a platform face on the new Relief line, but it is not really like to be used any time soon. There does not appear to be a similar platform at North Strathfield. There has been talk of a fence on this platform face. Passenger trains on the Up Relief are likely to be interurbans which do not stop at CW or NS.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
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2. There only appear to be Up signals on the new Relief line. There does not appear to be a high speed trailing crossover near Rhodes needed by any BiDi.

3. Concord has a platform face on the new Relief line, but it is not really like to be used any time soon. There does not appear to be a similar platform at North Strathfield. There has been talk of a fence on this platform face. Passenger trains on the Up Relief are likely to be interurbans which do not stop at CW or NS.
awsgc24


Original REF for this project has the Up Relief as up only, Down Relief remains Bi Di.

REF also notes CW having a new platform face to the Up Relief and safety fencing as pax trains will not use platform at opening.
  burgo68 Beginner

why go to all the trouble of building a new platform face at Concord west station if trains wont stop their , why not just
build a fence similar to what they have done on SSFL line between Cabramatta  and Campbelltown
  clockman Station Staff

why go to all the trouble of building a new platform face at Concord west station if trains wont stop their , why not just
build a fence similar to what they have done on SSFL line between Cabramatta  and Campbelltown
burgo68
There had to be earth works at Concord West anyway and maybe making an island platform was the easiest civil option to avoid Up main platform degradation from undermining due to slippage. As it is an electrified extension of the Up relief & not a designated non electrified freight only track like the SSFL & Federal Government paid for the platform to be built why not build it now. There maybe some future Sydney Trains plan to re-connect the Up relief at North Strathfield to extend south across Parramatta Rd towards Strathfield.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
why go to all the trouble of building a new platform face at Concord west station if trains wont stop their , why not just
build a fence similar to what they have done on SSFL line between Cabramatta  and Campbelltown
burgo68
A platform face on the Up Relief at Concord West would cost the same as a retaining wall. The fence on this platform face would only be a little extra.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
why go to all the trouble of building a new platform face at Concord west station if trains wont stop their , why not just
build a fence similar to what they have done on SSFL line between Cabramatta  and Campbelltown
burgo68


The REF did not rule out use by passenger trains, simply there was no requirement at this time. Fence is for the publics safety.
It's probably cost effective to do the platform works now particularly as the feds are picking up the tab Wink
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
A picture in Track & Signal (Apr-Jun 2015) p86 shows that the portion of the North Strathfield dive right under the main lines is circular in cross section compared to the box shape of the rest of the dive.

What does this say about the method of construction of the circular section?
  Speedbird1 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Wyee
As of 27/44/15, the up refuge at Gosford is fully utilised with frequent visits from frieghts and passenger trains overtaking.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
As of 27/44/15, the up refuge at Gosford is fully utilised with frequent visits from frieghts and passenger trains overtaking.
Speedbird1


Good to hear. Hopefully the additional flexibility this infrastructure provides will be fully utilised.

Back in the mid 2000's ARTC proposed passing loops at several locations along the short north. A decade later they finally get one Rolling Eyes
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Down Relief remains Bi Di.
cootanee
North Strathfield- Concord West: Bi Di
Concord West-Rhodes: Down only.
  Speedbird1 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Wyee
According to Weekly Notice 21 for 2015;

As of Saturday 6th June 2015

  • The new up relief (Nth Strathfield Underpass) will be brought into use with all signals, points, etc.
  • Concord West will have a new platform 1 on the up relief opened, current platforms 1, 2, 3 will be renumbered 2, 3, 4 respectively
  • The entry to the up relief will be X75 with 75 limit to the underpass where it becomes 55 to the goods loop to Flemington
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
NORTH STRATHFIELD

Rails and overhead wiring (OHW) have been installed all the way from Concord West to North Strathfield Dive.

The signal just before the dive has a missing Top Yellow light, which is consistent with extending the Up Relief at a later date though a possible 4th platform to connect with sidings nearer North Strathfield Junction.

The speed limit through the dive is 55km/h.
  sydneyshortnorth Junior Train Controller

Location:
Signals are alight tonight along the new North Strathfield dive line. All reds at the moment of course, but greens expected on 6th June.

Steve
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The new tunnels will have gentle curves for higher speed operation of passenger trains.  Freight trains will be happy to use the sharp curves of the existing line now that they do not have to share with passenger trains and be subject to a curfew.
awsgc24

If the new HS tunnel bypasses Cowan, how would Cowan passengers be served?

Cowan is a very small village, which is the reason why the suburban trains were cut back to Berowra twenty/thirty odd years ago.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
RHODES TO UP RELIEF DIVE

All signals have train-stops.

Concord West Platform 1 (Up Relief) have destination indicators.

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