Traino 48's

 
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

Today I got a phone call from Trainorama / bob hobbies about the 830 's .

Delivery is on the way .

Can't wait to see them .

Anyone else ?

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  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Today I got a phone call from Trainorama / bob hobbies about the 830 's .

Delivery is on the way .

Can't wait to see them .

Anyone else ?
BIG-BEAR
Yep, I have one coming but no phone call yet....don't really expect a call because I sorted all that stuff out when the two 48s were dispatched a month or so ago.

Roachie
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
To get good sound you need to have a sealed speaker enclosure, not holes. Seal the speaker and don't be that guy who has his sound fitted locos blaring....
GT46C-ACe
That's not quite correct Wink  Yes don't blast all your mates with sound turned too high.(remember the 6 foot rule, well I am deaf Smile) But if you do use the hood as an enclosure you are correct, the open sides will need to be filled. I prefer to use a baffle on my speakers.  On some You Tubes we have had demonstrated that a round 2 watt DCC speaker can be fitted and sealed into a styrene sheet measuring 6 square inches and the two sides of the cone will NOT cancel out.  So even if I do use a box where ever possible,  if you seal the bottom of the hood and mount the speaker facing the top  (or the grill) your sound will exit the grills and be as good as the full enclosure. If you use the hood as an enclosure you will probably face the speaker down. Now the sound must find its way past the shafts, chassis and bogies. Now you will get reflection and bounced sounds which will muddy the noise. Every install is difficult in HO Very Happy
Cheers
Rod
  sydneyshortnorth Junior Train Controller

Location:
Today I got a phone call from Trainorama / bob hobbies about the 830 's .

Delivery is on the way .

Can't wait to see them .

Anyone else ?
BIG-BEAR
Three 830 Class photos have gone up on Bob's Hobbies' website, each with the comment "Available now".

Steve
  SA_trains Deputy Commissioner

Location: ACT
Well, I can excitedly report after a MASSIVE gestation period, the first of my three 830-class has arrived!

YAY!!!!

I don't fully understand the logic behind the phased delivery, but after the time waited, I guess a few more months... Smile

So here is Number 847!

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and

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Looking forward to the rest of my Trainorama 830's, and then the Auscision 830's!

Smile
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Looks great....hoping mine will arrive in the coming week...sent on Friday.

Might have to see if I can replace the couplers with shorter shank variety and reduce the visible portion of the draft box; it was hidden on the 48s by the diaphram buffers. No big deal either way.

Roachie
  Flatop Deputy Commissioner

Location: Some where in a Cab
Mine arrived today and all I can say is stunning. Well done.
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Got 858 in the mail today and immediately stripped out the electronics and fitted the Tsunami.

I'm going to have to remove the shell again and paint the inside of the body black as the red LED of the decoder shows through the yellow plastic much worse than on the tuscan version.

Roachie
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Having those grilles add depth to the model rather than the plastic from the Auscision 45 or the Powerline 48. Give me the TrainOrama grilles anyday. Also good for those like me with sound decoders as it allows for the sound to come out and heat dissipation. If I go to AMRA on a Saturday for the day running I can have it go all day full blast on sound. Very Happy

The window frames are actually there but not painted. It's actually a really thin window frame which probably could not have been painted well , and in which case could have been overscale to have the representation there.
alltrainzfan
Get some black shrink tubing and shrink it over the LED Much easier and avoids accidents
Cheers
Rod
  a6et Minister for Railways

Just received some pics of the TOR 48 & 830's.  Weathering done by Doug Rowe & his photo's
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
What a magnificent set of pictures!

With all the whingers writing cheap words and talking about "half empty buckets" along comes Doug Rowe (Thanks Colin) and we get pictures of these great little engines. Well done they are really great pictures of a great little model.

Only one thing better than a "half full bucket"     Its a full bucket obviously Wink and here it is.
Rod Young
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
What a magnificent set of pictures!

With all the whingers writing cheap words and talking about "half empty buckets" along comes Doug Rowe (Thanks Colin) and we get pictures of these great little engines. Well done they are really great pictures of a great little model.

Only one thing better than a "half full bucket"     Its a full bucket obviously Wink and here it is.
Rod Young
comtrain
Well said Rod.... I couldn't agree more!!!

Roachie

PS: Looks like somebody doesn't agree with you/us.... note the "DISAGREE" .....some people just can't be pleased.....too bad it doesn't show the name of the disagreeing person.
  Fairlight Station Master

Location: Always watching....
That Mustard Pot looks delightful.....great weathering also....

No complaints here....
  railmod Chief Train Controller

Nice looking photos of the models there Col - the weathering really highlights the details.

Cheers Alex.
  linton78 Train Controller

Location: South Coast NSW
After seeing the diagram I think the Trainorama model is not angled enough. Using the measurement of 6"3/8, which is kind of an average point on the nose drawing - this scales out to about 1.86mm. When holding a rule across the front of the Traino 48 there is no way there is 1.86mm gap anywhere along the nose. In my opinion the Bergs model and early Powerline models are more correct. They look closer to the drawing and the 1.86mm gap looks very close, well as close as I can measure anyway.

There you go! It looks like Austin's dad is probably right.

Linton
linton78
I am sorry to bring this topic up again, however today I measured the front nose angle of a prototype 48 class locomotive.

Surprisingly, well not really, the measurements I took very closely reflected the drawing Allan Brown posted in a link a few pages back.

While placing a straight edge across the front nose of the locomotive, the straight edge up against the point, I measured back to where the front panel begins the radius around to the side. This measurement was 158mm. This scales out to around 1.81mm in HO scale. As said previously this real life measurement matches very closely the drawing.

The front nose section is approximately 1720mm wide. This creates an angle just over 10 degrees. I double checked this angle by using a separate set of measurement points. Using the second set of points the nose angle was worked out at 11 degrees. That is the nose angle is at 10-11 degrees from a line placed laterally across the loco front.

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I do not think the 48 class drawing, published in Prestons 48 class book is correct regarding the front nose angle. The drawing posted by Allan seems much closer.

I do not want to start a Traino bashing, however now having measured the angle and have also taken photos directly down the nose face, I really feel the latest 48 class models nose is simply too flat. No big deal really, just wanted to know myself.

Linton
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

It was interesting that the review in the latest AMRM didn't pick up on the problem, simply stating that 'the Trainorama models are accurate in all major dimensions'.
  linton78 Train Controller

Location: South Coast NSW
It was interesting that the review in the latest AMRM didn't pick up on the problem, simply stating that 'the Trainorama models are accurate in all major dimensions'.
kingfisher
It is very interesting. Politics
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Easy to place a protractor on your computer screen and measure the angle on the plate on which you are resting your feet then compare that with the models. Maybe not really accurate but a guide anyway.
  SA_trains Deputy Commissioner

Location: ACT
It is very interesting. Politics
linton78
Well in fairness, "all major dimensions" would be length, width, height... In this instance the shape of the short hood would hardly count as a major dimension...
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Well in fairness, "all major dimensions" would be length, width, height... In this instance the shape of the short hood would hardly count as a major dimension...
SA_trains
The reviewer still didn't pick up the problem regardless of it being a major dimension or not and the reviewer did go on to state in a following paragraph 'as noted above, the dimensions of the model are generally correct, although the fuel tank is a little narrow' but still no mention of the problem with the shape of the short hood.
  SA_trains Deputy Commissioner

Location: ACT
Well good to have some qualitative data to go by. Based on Linton's guesstimates, I went back to Allan Brown's line diagram with measurements and did some of my own math.

Using a little trig... the angle is 11.89degrees. The deflection from straight is 7.625" or 2.22mm in HO scale. So time to do a little measuring.

I got my Traino 830 onto the work bench. Now I am assuming that the nose of the 830 is the same as the 48. So.... to measure that distance... I used a straight edge to define the vertical. The problem is, that it is a bit hard to measure accurately without removing handrails, and I wasn't doing that! BUT there is really nice detail on the footplate that assists measuring. The answer.... 1.5mm +/- whatever my measurement error might be!

Hmmmmm.....

So out to the shed and get my Powerline 830 (really a 48!) out to measure it. Also difficult to measure accurately, but sadly NO detail on the footplate. That said, the result, 2.0mm! (+/- measurement error)

So, the nose angle is half a millimetre out...

SO... maybe the nose shape is out by 0.7mm, but the two are chalk and cheese. The Traino loco is streets ahead in detail all over the place.

That said, I have a Powerline 830(48) That I will happily SWAP with someone's unloved Traino 48 or 830... Just send me a message to coordinate!

SmileSmileSmile

Dan
  linton78 Train Controller

Location: South Coast NSW
Well good to have some qualitative data to go by. Based on Linton's guesstimates, I went back to Allan Brown's line diagram with measurements and did some of my own math.

Using a little trig... the angle is 11.89degrees. The deflection from straight is 7.625" or 2.22mm in HO scale. So time to do a little measuring.

I got my Traino 830 onto the work bench. Now I am assuming that the nose of the 830 is the same as the 48. So.... to measure that distance... I used a straight edge to define the vertical. The problem is, that it is a bit hard to measure accurately without removing handrails, and I wasn't doing that! BUT there is really nice detail on the footplate that assists measuring. The answer.... 1.5mm +/- whatever my measurement error might be!

Hmmmmm.....

So out to the shed and get my Powerline 830 (really a 48!) out to measure it. Also difficult to measure accurately, but sadly NO detail on the footplate. That said, the result, 2.0mm! (+/- measurement error)

So, the nose angle is half a millimetre out...

SO... maybe the nose shape is out by 0.7mm, but the two are chalk and cheese. The Traino loco is streets ahead in detail all over the place.

That said, I have a Powerline 830(48) That I will happily SWAP with someone's unloved Traino 48 or 830... Just send me a message to coordinate!

SmileSmileSmile

Dan
SA_trains
I would not say so much a guesstimate. The tape measure is pretty accurate, up to the bloke using it I guess ha.

The 7.625" measurement sounds too much. It sounds like that may include some of the distance caused by the radius.

The models are a little hard to measure however come up with similar figures to you. Not quite 2mm though.

Although happy with my Traino 48, if you have ordered an Auscision 48 class and can't bear to have the front hoods look different, I am happy to swap for the Auscision model he he.

Seriously though, the Traino 48 is a nice model.

Linton
  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
It seems to me that there is a considerable amount of difficulty in accurately measuring the dimensions both on the model and on the real thing. Having measured quite a few HO models to compare with published dimensions it is difficult to be accurate to the nearest 1mm without damaging the model/removing the detail. I think 1mm variation is probably within operator (of the calipers) error.

Iain
  linton78 Train Controller

Location: South Coast NSW
By using terms like it 'seems' you should go and have a go at measuring a real Loco. It is very easy, they are quite big.

Measuring a model a little harder however digital verniers make it easier.

Like I said, I don't want to start a Traino bashing however, to me the nose simply looks wrong. It's funny how much criticism streamlined 38 noses get yet something like this is still imagined to be correct. The differences in drawings between Preston book and the one provided by Allan Brown shows exactly the size of the error for me.

All good though. I am still not swapping mine for a PowerLine model. Will swap for a Berg brass one though.

Linton
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
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Linton
Hi Linton,

I see you (a friend?) have visited the GRHC and inspected 4821.

I thought the loco looked familiar but the two tickets confirmed my impression.

Happy measuring,

John

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