Victorian Government urged to confirm Echuca-Bendigo rail services upgrade

 

News article: Victorian Government urged to confirm Echuca-Bendigo rail services upgrade

The Victorian Opposition is lobbying the State Government to confirm an upgrade of rail services between Echuca and Bendigo.

  oldghan Station Master

The Victorian Opposition is lobbying the State Government to confirm an upgrade of rail services between Echuca and Bendigo.

The former Coalition government announced the upgrades last September and the work was due to start in 2016.

It includes upgrades to eight bridges along the line, north of Bendigo.
Victorian Government urged to confirm Echuca-Bendigo rail services upgrade

Reading the various threads it would seem there has been more talk about this project than actual work.

There can't be more to complete this can there?

I often wonder if Vline are the right people to manage the infrastructure parts of the network.  They run late, take much longer than required and often engineer with gaps.

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  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
It's not entirely Vline's fault. No bucks = no ballast, so to speak.
  oldghan Station Master

It's not entirely Vline's fault. No bucks = no ballast, so to speak.
LancedDendrite

Please explain?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Vline is perpetually starved of funds for infrastructure upgrades, unlike VicRoads which gets funding from registration charges, federal fuel excise and State treasury.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The lack of an increase in services - or the speed of those services - is nothing to do with V/Line, these are in the control of the state government. If the state government sees fit to provide funding for capital works, or funding for extra services, then it might happen.

That said, as far as I am aware, the Bendigo to Echuca line works that were required to increase the speed of trains has been completed, am I wrong?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
If work was not due to start until 2016 why are people whingeing now.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The lack of an increase in services - or the speed of those services - is nothing to do with V/Line, these are in the control of the state government. If the state government sees fit to provide funding for capital works, or funding for extra services, then it might happen.

That said, as far as I am aware, the Bendigo to Echuca line works that were required to increase the speed of trains has been completed, am I wrong?
Gman_86
V/Line dragged their feet in upgrading the crossings.  Over a year late.

No idea if bridge upgrades are a prerequisite for increasing line speed?  Perhaps the new RRL timetable in June this year might reflect faster speeds and more services on the line?
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
V/Line dragged their feet in upgrading the crossings.  Over a year late.

No idea if bridge upgrades are a prerequisite for increasing line speed?  Perhaps the new RRL timetable in June this year might reflect faster speeds and more services on the line?
Carnot

A review of the latest vline timetables post the RRL launch only has a single UP and DOWN trhough train service Monday to Friday and 2 x UP and 2 x DOWN through services on both Saturday and Sunday.

Did the 2 services each way on Saturday and Sunday exist prior to RRL timetable launch?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
@x31 yes.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I suspect that the current shortage of V/Line rolling stock is one of the main reasons for no more services at present.  Perhaps there will be later in the year?

As for the line itself, lots of work happening right now with heaps of concrete sleepers going in:
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/3188058/echuca-train-line-upgrade-begins/

Meanwhile, passengers sit in Velocity DMUs watching the adjacent road traffic overtake them for the whole trip....
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
I suspect that the current shortage of V/Line rolling stock is one of the main reasons for no more services at present.  Perhaps there will be later in the year?

As for the line itself, lots of work happening right now with heaps of concrete sleepers going in:
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/3188058/echuca-train-line-upgrade-begins/

Meanwhile, passengers sit in Velocity DMUs watching the adjacent road traffic overtake them for the whole trip....
Carnot

Information on a recent look at the line.

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1981909.htm#1981909
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Woodford's humble opinion on this is the reason for the delay is VLine simply have not been given enough to complete the project in one go and are doing work as funds become availible. I find it rare to see work going on when touring the line, but there is usually signs of work that has been done.

It all comes back to the point people simply do not wish to pay taxes at a rate that will fund what is required to run the place, ie its a self inflicted injury.

woodford
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Woodford's humble opinion on this is the reason for the delay is VLine simply have not been given enough to complete the project in one go and are doing work as funds become availible. I find it rare to see work going on when touring the line, but there is usually signs of work that has been done.

It all comes back to the point people simply do not wish to pay taxes at a rate that will fund what is required to run the place, ie its a self inflicted injury.

woodford
woodford

This may be true but the issue is the Treasury.  The amount of money provided to Vline is a pimple compared to that provided to Vicroads.  It is simply going to have to change.

Another alternative for the people of Echuca might be an extension of Shepparton services to Echuca return?
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

This may be true but the issue is the Treasury.  The amount of money provided to Vline is a pimple compared to that provided to Vicroads.  It is simply going to have to change.

Another alternative for the people of Echuca might be an extension of Shepparton services to Echuca return?
x31
x31

You do know that the Victorian Road Network is far larger than that of V/Line? The fact is that through Insurance and Registration, Motorists pay more towards the upkeep of roads than V/Line passengers pay towards the Day to Day operation of the V/Line network.

Currently as it stands each V/line passenger is subsidised to the tune of $18. Taxpayers meet 90% of operational costs and passengers only pay 10% of costs, clearly this is unsustainable.

More money has to come from the fare box if we are to have a modern network.

Michael
  woodford Chief Commissioner

x31

You do know that the Victorian Road Network is far larger than that of V/Line? The fact is that through Insurance and Registration, Motorists pay more towards the upkeep of roads than V/Line passengers pay towards the Day to Day operation of the V/Line network.

Currently as it stands each V/line passenger is subsidised to the tune of $18. Taxpayers meet 90% of operational costs and passengers only pay 10% of costs, clearly this is unsustainable.

More money has to come from the fare box if we are to have a modern network.

Michael
mejhammers1

I agree the current fares are probably to low, but any idea the road transport is in some way an innocent victim in todays budgetary setup is completely ridiculos. A  major difference between road and rail costings is that road transport, this includes both commercial and private operations, is that the costs of road transport are ____FAR_____ more diversified and thus more difficult to see.

woodford
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Another alternative for the people of Echuca might be an extension of Shepparton services to Echuca return?
x31
This is not a viable option. The line from Toolamba to Echuca is of a low grade (class 4 maybe) and the current speed of that line is much lower than the line from Bendigo. Then there are other facts like to get to Echuca Via Seymour you don't actually travel through Shepparton, the junction is between Murchison East and Mooroopna. Add to that the fact that most Shepparton services are fairly full already, and you would also skip Elmore and Rochester. All together it would be incredibly unlikely to happen.

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