Advanced Train Management System (ATMS)

 
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
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Foolishly, I went to the ARTC ATMS website for an update on this project... Perhaps if they used the website that was funded for the purpose but anyway.

More to the point, I note from the article that the trial is now occurring on the Spencer Junction to Whyalla branch. Interesting indeed in that this is still train order territory and moves away from plans of trialling on the Coonamia to Stirling North corridor.

I wonder what brought about that change, because I thought I recalled reading that the rationale for using that section was because it was going to have live signals, to see how the 2 systems overlay given that ATMS will be used in areas that have existing signalling.

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  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
More to the point, I note from the article that the trial is now occurring on the Spencer Junction to Whyalla branch. Interesting indeed in that this is still train order territory and moves away from plans of trialling on the Coonamia to Stirling North corridor.
seb2351

I figured that was because they were adding a track segment onto the existing segments used in the proof of concept phase, i.e. it is an extension of territory that can be covered by ATMS, not a change.

Though you also have the aspect that it is easier to roll out a system like this starting with segments that are only used by a small subset of the national locomotive fleet (because you have to do installations in each loco), rather than a section of mainline that could potentially be traversed by the majority of the fleet.

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  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
Latest announcement.

"The first tranche of Australian Government funding of $15.5 million towards the implementation of the Advanced Train Management System (ATMS) project has been approved. Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Regional Development Warren Truss said the system will become the accredited standard for train management across the national rail network managed by the Australian Rail Track Corporation (ARTC)..."

http://www.artc.com.au/Article/Detail.aspx?p=6&np=4&id=469
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Of course no one has raised the 'who pays' question with ARTC and ARTC hasn't even considered it. Laughing
But lets consider the possibilities (noting that non ATMS locos can still operate with certain constraints as per the FAQ)

- ARTC provides at no cost
- Operator provides at own cost
- ARTC / Operator share cost
- ARTC provides for fee (leased)
- ARTC offsets operator cost through access fee discounts
cootanee
Given it has a safety component wouldnt there be scope for some sort of mandatory requirement on the part of operators?

In aviation there are airworthiness directives, including those that specify that you need to have xx equipment for xx safety reason.  Are there the equivalents in rail and if so, who is the regulator?  ATSB?
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Given it has a safety component wouldnt there be scope for some sort of mandatory requirement on the part of operators?

In aviation there are airworthiness directives, including those that specify that you need to have xx equipment for xx safety reason.  Are there the equivalents in rail and if so, who is the regulator?  ATSB?
jamesbushell.au
ATSB are investigators, the regulators are the Office of the National Rail Safety Regulator (http://www.onrsr.com.au/)

I would hazard a guess, that ARTC would be responsible for the installation of the equipment, as they are changing the rules such as they did with the requirement that ICE be the new radio standard equipment to access the network.

In terms of the rail industry, the basic framework work around something like this:
Regulator sets the standards for accreditation.
Transport investigator provides recommendations where standards have not been followed, were insufficient or lacking to prevent an incident
Network manager implements recommendations, sets operating requirements and forms interface agreements with operators based on the accreditation requirements set by ONRSR
Operator follows directives of network manager to ensure compliance with standards and accreditation requirements. Additionally, they also must implement risk based control measures to ensure ongoing improvement and monitoring of rail operations from their side that complement the standards outlined within the accreditation license that has been issued to them. For a specific example in regards to that point, PN are accredited to run driver only from Adelaide to Port Augusta. SCT are not, because they do not have the license nor operating accreditation and supporting systems to do so.

The duties of the National Regulator may be carried out by state based regulators, such as in the case of the NSW but under national rail safety legislation, still answerable to the head office of the national regulator.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
seb2351
Thanks for the overview. And the ONRSR.  Very helpful.

I guess there is another point of view when considering who pays.  Who benefits?  I would put it that the benefit would accrue to the operators (and their customers).  ARTC is a govt entity so expect that it is only looking at a real break even, so any benefits in network decongestion, speed etc, would be passed on through lower charges to users.  Therefore they would pay.

Though it is a little interesting from a regulatory perspective as the regulations are probably going to be written after ATMS is finalised.  And ATMS will probably be the only system used, as i doubt any other rail network owner will develop their own system.  So as far as signalling is concerned, ARTC may have some degree of regulatory oversight, dictating what operators must do do operate on the ARTC network.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
How easy and quick is ATMS going to be to roll out to the entire ARTC managed network?  What needs to be done to do it?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
For CTC-equipped sections of the network, ARTC will need to retrofit existing remotely-switched points with Trackside Interface Units (TIUs) that will integrate them with ATMS. Then they program that section of track into ATMS, do a radio survey or two along the track to make sure Telstra's Next G network and the relevant satellites have the appropriate level of coverage and then commission it.

That's the bare minimum. TIUs can also plug in axle counters, track circuits and the like to give the system more redundant information, but they aren't necessary.

For non-CTC sections (train order working for the most part), all points will need to be upgraded to electric actuation and then fitted with TIUs. Everything short of fitting the TIU can be done before the whole ATMS system is fully developed and commissioned. That's the big hurdle - ATMS is fundamentally an IT project, not a physical infrastructure one.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
LancedDendrite That's the big hurdle - ATMS is fundamentally an IT project, not a physical infrastructure one.
THanks, this sounds like a bit of work then.  Wonder what the costs are looking like....
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
...Wonder what the costs are looking like....
jamesbushell.au

It's an IT project Wink

ARTC will undertake a staggered rollout presumably as funds become available.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
Funds and staggered rollout. Will ATMS be ready for the Inland Railway?

“ATMS has been undergoing rigorous development and testing on the Australian Rail Track Corporation's (ARTC) rail network in South Australia for the past eight years and the Tarcoola to Kalgoorlie section will soon be ready for the next phase of the trial,” Mr Chester said.

“The ARTC and technology partner, Lockheed Martin, expect to have ATMS in live operations as the accredited safeworking system between Port Augusta and Whyalla by late 2018,” Mr Fullerton said.

http://minister.infrastructure.gov.au/chester/releases/2017/november/dc379_2017.aspx
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
Seems this project has turned out to be one very long slog.

ATMS Website seems to have been all but forgotten. Schedule has rollout as 2018. Anyone know the latest?
http://www.atms.artc.com.au/schedule/

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