The land is only worth about $20 million, if that. Spending a billion plus on difficult tunnel under the water table with three underground stations and underground stabling doesn't make a lot of sense.With the line closed the government should take the opportunity to underground the line for most of its length by cut and cover the costs of which would be recouped by the sale of air rights over most of the length, a solution that should satisfy both sides of the argument and enable the preservation of Newcastle station.
No they haven't, no money allocated either.Well we have just gone six months since the Newcastle line has been closed.
Apart from the rusty rails, a weed corridor without restrictions on how high they can grow, massive inconvenience to passengers, disruption and job losses for staff etc etc has anyone got an update on the corridor?.
Have the light rail vehicles been ordered yet?
Has construction started on the interchange? With all the years of planning I though it would be well under way by now.
How are the court cases going?
Any updates please or has the government got a public website for the corridor?
No, try thisNo they haven't, no money allocated either.
No it hasn't, no money there either. As it happens, there is no finalized design for the interchange. The tin shed concept was scrapped and no new idea has been revealed.
Government appeal in the Supreme Court July 15/16, counter-appeal by SOR
No updates other than $50 million (taxpayer) spent grouting Honeysuckle.
Basically, it's at standstill until the appeal, with no money allocated to the project.
How does that happen with quick public transport demolished?...will bring 750 people into the city.
Without even a design? Sounds suspicious to me...Wickham Interchange Contract awarded to Lang O'Rourke for $73,000,000.
So the $430 million promised from the $1.8 billion port sale comes when?...$103 million allocated for 2015/16
1. Rail will still exist to western side of CBDHow does that happen with quick public transport demolished?
Without even a design? Sounds suspicious to me...
So the $430 million promised from the $1.8 billion port sale comes when?...
But not to the CBD itself.1. Rail will still exist to western side of CBD
2. Very few people will ever use rail to CBD.
3. Very few suburbs have rail
4. Most people use buses or drive
Why wasn't Hunter St level crossing "in syncro" with the lights? Why didn't they just build an overpass a few hundred metres west? Why did a useful railway line have to close to save the 29 minutes the crossing spent shut in an hour and a half, compared to the hour and 5 minutes at Hunter St intersection? Why are roads getting the priority over public transport, again?Gates were down for up to 2 minutes for a train, a tram takes 15 seconds. The tram waits for it's turn within the cycle of the adjacent signals, a train does not. It is chalk and cheese. Any comparison is silly. As Tezza says, the improvement in traffic around the westend has been remarkable.
But not to the CBD itself.Tezza was being generous, 2250 people were using the line making a return trip to get 4500. That is passengers to Newcastle, Civic and Wickham combined. Most of those people are still using the shuttle buses.
Over 4500 people used the line daily before its closure.
So we shouldn't invest in public transport infrastructure?
And we have congestion as a result, which only gets worse with light rail added...
The land is only worth about $20 million, if that. Spending a billion plus on difficult tunnel under the water table with three underground stations and underground stabling doesn't make a lot of sense.The line would not be under grounded for its full length and would surface in the Newcastle station area.
The line would not be under grounded for its full length and would surface in the Newcastle station area.What would be the point? To come back to ground level, even at 2% grade would require an open trench that would extend for 400m west of Newcastle Station and cut off the very area that they want to open up as connections between the city and the waterfront.
To build the line by cut and cover even below the level of the water table is not a great problem, the same techniques would be used as have been regularly used for building construction on the Gold Coast where many buildings have basements below the level of the water table.
Despite what tezza & Northern Flyer, their is only one reason why developers want the rail line cut.What is that reason Newcastle Flyer? The government owns the land and it is only worth about $20 million. None of it is owned by a developer. Why would it spend $460 million to release that value? If your going to subscribe to a conspiracy theory, it needs to make at least some sense.
But I'd like to ask both a question. Do you agree that any light rail should have been first before closing the rail line?
What is that reason Newcastle Flyer? The government owns the land and it is only worth about $20 million. None of it is owned by a developer. Why would it spend $460 million to release that value? If your going to subscribe to a conspiracy theory, it needs to make at least some sense.Well considered response Northern Flyer rather than the back yard fence gossip put about by others. Nice to see some objectivity in a response.
It is not practical to build a light rail network when the heavy rail is running. You have to build the interchange, stabling for light rail, stabling for heavy rail, maintenance facilities for light rail, relay all of the track, partially remove the ballast and cover with concrete, build light rail stations, remove the overhead wiring and supports, build new overhead wiring and supports, build and activate new substations and remove sidings and stabling at Newcastle Station. So you think that all this should be done with heavy rail still operating? It would take 10 years instead of 3 years and cost three times as much.
The value of any land recovered will be a pittance compared to the value the same space of real estate is worth to a developer, and a future cash donation to a poorly performing political party in the area (by way of thanks) would be greatly appreciated.Run that one past me again? Assuming that the land is put up for auction, the value of that land is the highest bid made. That is the value of the land and that is what it is worth to a developer. It is the same thing.
Because it's the only land in the city not undermined by coal mines. Its the only land capable of holding a twenty story building. That's why they want it so badly. That's why they'll bribe the local members (ICAC 2014) and rip up public infrastructure.Run that one past me again? Assuming that the land is put up for auction, the value of that land is the highest bid made. That is the value of the land and that is what it is worth to a developer. It is the same thing.
In Newcastle CBD, similar land is selling for $10 million per hectare. Why would it be worth more than that?
The Mine Subsidence Board released a map of the area showing the strength of the ground. Newcastle station + bus layover would be a goldmine.Speedbird, it is the only part that's not undermined, with the possible exceptions of one or two small areas, that wouldn't really make a difference for developers.
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