Return of the Leongatha to Melbourne Passenger Trains on the South Gippsland Rail Corridor

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The people of South Gippsland in Victoria's south east have been left in the dark by the Victorian government when it comes to effective public transport solutions since the rail passenger service to Leongatha ceased on July 24 1993. Study after study have concluded that it is 'feasible' to reopen the railway line for both passenger and freight services, however, the continuation of the growing cost of rebuilding the line over the years due to a lack of maintenance has deterred previous state governments from delivering this essential public transport service to those who live in the Casey, Cardinia, Bass Coast, Wellington and South Gippsland shires.
Return of the Leongatha to Melbourne Passenger Trains on the South Gippsland Rail Corridor


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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The biggest problem with any reopening passenger services to this line and others, Is V/Line / Victorian Government have much much bigger fish to fry with urgently needed developments their 5 main trunk lines. that would drain the vast majority of their resources for the foreseeable future.

(developments like, ever Increasing delivery of new rolling stock, full duplication of of the main trunk lines)
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
The biggest problem with any reopening passenger services to this line and others, Is V/Line / Victorian Government have much much bigger fish to fry with urgently needed developments their 5 main trunk lines. that would drain the vast majority of their resources for the foreseeable future.

(developments like, ever Increasing delivery of new rolling stock, full duplication of of the main trunk lines)
Nightfire

Why not then employ more resources and people and make it happen?

Get the chinese in to fix the resource issue.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
It would be interesting to see how many of those 'supporters' were people who actually lived in South Gippsland - or indeed, were commuters that would actually be affected by the return of services to Leongatha.

The 'lobby group' has a website that lists a loop line proposal to link the Cranbourne and Pakenham lines together via Nar Nar Goon and Monomeith - a bit wide if you ask me, but not an entirely loony proposal compared to the rest of their foam-addled musings. My usual grumbles about turning good farmland into outer suburban hellscapes apply, naturally.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Why not then employ more resources and people and make it happen?

Get the chinese in to fix the resource issue.
x31
All comes down to $$$ and Votes

Transport links from the South Eastern Suburbs to the City and the rest of the State are a mess, with ever Increasing population = ever Increasing congestion and with no solutions on the horizon.

The M1 Freeway during the day Is stuffed, using emergency lanes as normal running lanes Is their last ditch option (further expansion runs Into to many experience chock points, like only 3 lanes through the tunnels)  

Full road grade separation of the Caulfield - Dandenong line, will see the ability to run many more services, but they will all be at the average speed of stop all stations trains !

Extra Suburban trains between Dandenong and Pakenham will further slow down express trains (V/Line)

A double track express line from the City to Dandenong Is the ultimate solution, but the cost !

People from the South East may get very jealous of Wyndham Vale train service to the City (when all timetable Issues settle down)
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
My usual grumbles about turning good farmland into outer suburban hellscapes apply, naturally.
LancedDendrite
Some of the best Irreplaceable horticultural land In the state, prime for growing high quality fresh food, on the door step of a rapidly growing City.

All carved up, paved over to build urban jungles.

State planing departments should hold their heads In shame !

If you need to build urban jungles build them where the land Is dry and of little horticultural value ! (Pockets In the North and West of Metropolitan Melbourne)
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Transport links from the South Eastern Suburbs to the City and the rest of the State are a mess, with ever Increasing population = ever Increasing congestion and with no solutions on the horizon.

The M1 Freeway during the day Is stuffed, using emergency lanes as normal running lanes Is their last ditch option (further expansion runs Into to many experience chock points, like only 3 lanes through the tunnels)  

Full road grade separation of the Caulfield - Dandenong line, will see the ability to run many more services, but they will all be at the average speed of stop all stations trains !
Nightfire

Melbourne and transport has become a mess.  Years and years of doing nothing and planning massive road tunnels mean nothing to the outer South East.  The cost of doing nothing is now probably higher than the cost of actually fixing the problem.

Rail developments and upgrades are the only answer realistically. Can more trains be sequeezed onto the Dandenong Line?
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Rail developments and upgrades are the only answer realistically. Can more trains be sequeezed onto the Dandenong Line?
NSWGR8022
Probably not, but in any event what does it matter, any passenger traffic from South Gippsland would not amount to one trainload a day. The people of South Gippsland were given the option to speak up about it several years ago and the apathy was profound.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Probably not, but in any event what does it matter, any passenger traffic from South Gippsland would not amount to one trainload a day. The people of South Gippsland were given the option to speak up about it several years ago and the apathy was profound.
TheBlacksmith
Surveys of people to get opinions are generally worthless as its trivially easy to word such surveys to get the answer you want.

Due to a number of factors not the least of which is the low fuel use of railways will become increasingly important. There's plenty of evidence from around the world that spending large sums on roads simply does not work. The South gippsland line is there now it might as well be used.

woodford
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Why not then employ more resources and people and make it happen?

Get the chinese in to fix the resource issue.
x31
No. Not going to happen.

The reality is simple;
#1. Too costly to rebuild the line
#2. Not enough passengers to make the line viable
#3. No freight to contribute to the expense of maintaining the line
#4. The road coach would still be quicker
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Just because the alignment is there does not mean that it is suitable! The South Gippsland Railway has had to truncate tourist/heritage rail services because of the condition of bridges on the Up (Melbourne) side of Korumburra and the running section of line is tourist-rail standard - fine for  lower than 40 kph running but a bit hairy any faster than that!

The Strezlecki Ranges that the railway runs through between Lang Lang and Leongatha are not railway country, and the curvature and grades of the line as built prove that (see pages 106-107 here). The capital cost of restoring a decent service would be in the hundreds of millions once you factor in a complete perway rebuild (everything but the rails would have to be replaced), bridge replacements and possibly a deviation or two.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
The capital cost of restoring a decent service would be in the hundreds of millions once you factor in a complete perway rebuild (everything but the rails would have to be replaced), bridge replacements and possibly a deviation or two.
LancedDendrite
More like a deviation or twelve once you get past Lang Lang.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
I have been working my way along the line in recent months photographing the bridges, and I can say that the line, while physically still present, is totally rooted. There are huge holes in the perway, notably where the Koo Wee Rup bypass has cut through it, other sections damaged by the desal water pipeline and virtually every bridge would need to be replaced. In addition, large sections have subsided, farmers have cut through it to get access for stock.

Past Nyora, the line is only suitable for very light heritage railway operation and they have suspended operation due to the expensive repairs required to some of the bridges.

To put this line back in use is going to cost hundreds of millions as stated earlier, and the only value the existing rail has is as scrap.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
The original news item says "Study after study have concluded that it is 'feasible' to reopen the railway line for both passenger and freight services".  Who conducted these studies, where are they documented, and how were the conclusions reached?  On the basis of information previously in this thread, not to mention the probable lack of any freight traffic and the miniscule number of potential passengers, you really have to wonder ....  ??

If the locals are concerned about public transport in their area (as they should be), then they should be pushing for better connecting bus services, not chasing fairyland.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
If the locals are concerned about public transport in their area (as they should be), then they should be pushing for better connecting bus services, not chasing fairyland.
Lad_Porter
The interesting thing is that I am in contact with the locals and, in the main, they don't give a stuff about rail. I can only conclude there is a noisy individual(s) who knows how to get news bites.

As for freight, I would love to see them substantiate that claim. In most cases they think a few local merchants chucking a carton or two in a freight van constitutes freight. Firstly, general freight vans do not exist any more, the only viable freight these days are unit trains of a single commodity and to justify re-opening that line would require a significant number of trains of that commodity to run each day. What commodity?

And before anyone suggests sand from around Lang Lang and Nyora, that's a pipe dream. Sand does not go to a single destination, small quantities of it go all over the place, and it is far more suited to road transport. The existing cartage is already catered for by small operators who own their own truck and dog and they will not give up the business to rail without a serious fight.

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