Train-spotting paedophile pleads guilty

 

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  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
A primer on sub judice contempt from the Victorian Government:
http://www.vgso.vic.gov.au/content/managing-risk-sub-judice-contempt

When are proceedings sub judice?

Proceedings are sub judice when legal proceedings have commenced but have not yet been completed.

Generally speaking, in criminal proceedings the sub judice period begins at the time of arrest or charge, whichever occurs first.

It also possible that proceedings may be regarded as pending once:
  • a summons or warrant for arrest has been issued,
  • an information or complaint has been laid, notice has been given of an intention to prefer a presentment,
  • or extradition proceedings have been commenced.

Criminal proceedings are completed when charges are withdrawn or the accused is acquitted or sentenced, or the time for lodging an appeal has passed, or all possible appeals have been heard. Hence, proceedings will still be sub judice following:
  • a hung jury,
  • between verdict or a guilty plea and sentencing,
  • between sentence and the time for lodging notice of an appeal,
  • during any appeal, and
  • before or during any retrial ordered on appeal.

...

Managing the risk: what can be published?

Courts have held that the public is entitled to be curious about certain proceedings. As such, it is not prejudicial to publish the ‘bare facts’ of a case, or to publish a fair and accurate account of anything said in open court, in the presence of the jury (if there is a jury), in good faith.
Victorian Government Solicitors Office
  grime Locomotive Fireman

A primer on sub judice contempt from the Victorian Government:
http://www.vgso.vic.gov.au/content/managing-risk-sub-judice-contempt
LancedDendrite
So what are you trying to say? Perhaps that the Newspaper got it wrong?
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I have changed the title as  this covers the topic:


"Train-spotting paedophile pleads guilty"


rather than  the sensational and over long :

"A former senior Victorian railways official and Puffing Billy volunteer who preyed on train-loving boys for more than two decades years has pleaded guilty to more than 30 serious child sex abuse charges.."

Think Lance is stating there is a difference in pleading guilty and being convicted.

I suggest one posts carefully in this thread.....
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
If he has pleaded guilty then he will be convicted given the charges.

Obviously the evidence was compelling enough.

Just terrible.
  grime Locomotive Fireman

Fair enough.

I have changed the title as  this covers the topic:


"Train-spotting paedophile pleads guilty"
dthead
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
So what are you trying to say? Perhaps that the Newspaper got it wrong?
"grime"
Very obviously, Lanced is giving timely warning to all of us to watch very carefully what we write.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Doesn't look good...
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
So what are you trying to say? Perhaps that the Newspaper got it wrong?
grime
The Age has posted the facts of the case and very little more. I suggest that there is very little room for discussion until Mr Whitehead is sentenced, given the nature of the charges he has pleaded guilty to.

Justice appears to be working as it should so far, lets make sure it stays that way. Don't Derryn Hinch the case.
  grime Locomotive Fireman

The Age has posted the facts of the case and very little more. I suggest that there is very little room for discussion until Mr Whitehead is sentenced, given the nature of the charges he has pleaded guilty to.

Justice appears to be working as it should so far, lets make sure it stays that way. Don't Derryn Hinch the case.
LancedDendrite
I was actually trying to post the article into the news forum of Railpage first off using the normal Railpage news protocols,but for some reason Firefox refuses to allow me to cut and paste in Railpage.
I suspect having given up and starting a new thread to just post the link,lack of attention to detail mangled the heading.
I certainly did not mean to change the substance or the title so please accept my apologies.
And yes I agree caution is needed in responding.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I have very serious reservations about one item in the news article.
Prudence dictates that I should not say any more; - yet.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Whitehead is to be sentenced on July 24th, and the Judge has said that a jail sentence "is inevitable".
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Whitehead is to be sentenced on July 24th, and the Judge has said that a jail sentence "is inevitable".
Valvegear

If the judge is doing their job this guy should get life.

What is the maximum sentence in Victoria for this type of crime and I guess the number of offences will also be a factor.
  Travelling Hooker Locomotive Driver

Location: Follows the weather up and down the coast
Actually, no, the sleaze bag shouldn't get life cause it's a mid range offence and if you start handing out life sentences to mid range offenders it essentially validates the leap between mid range and high range and there's a world of difference between been felt up in back of the puffing billy and been Daniel Morcombed.

Said sleaze bag will probably get 5 with a 3 or 4 with a 2 and head on off to Langi to watch a few videos and answer a few pop quiz questions (being what passes for the sex offenders course here) and watch the trains chugg on by to Ararat.

Still, with any luck he'll get his head kicked in on the way there

Oops, I work around Corrections, should I say that ?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
I think if you read the news article in The Age you'll find that the offences committed were a bit more serious than 'being felt up in the back of Puffing Billy'. He pleaded guilty to 24 offences.
  mk4c Station Master

Ok, without commenting on the actual crimes to which he has pleaded guilty, the one part of the article that I found strange was the "Sgt Schulz" defence that implied that nobody at the PBPS in the 1980s had any idea of his history. Some people did at least, because I was personally warned that he had a taste for teenagers (I was 17 or 18 at the time) and was also told that he had in the past been convicted for underage sex offences and had been imprisoned. That warning came from people a long way down the pecking order, so maybe the top brass had no idea, but it seemed to be common knowledge. I would say that perhaps I was lucky to be working in a different section to both the people named in the article.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Today's Melbourne Age has a double page spread about Whitehead and his history of abuse. It would seem that a comment I have withheld can now be made.

The press report mentioned at the beginning of this thread carries the following:-

"After being forced out of Puffing Billy, Whitehead became involved with the Seymour Heritage Rail Centre. It too faces claims it failed to act on warnings about Whitehead's abuse of children.

A spokesman for the centre said Whitehead had not been involved there for a long time and no one in a position of authority now had any knowledge of the matter."

The spokesman has spoken absolute nonsense.

I was a member of SRHC when Whitehead was there, and it was common knowledge, regularly discussed, that Whitehead was an aggressive paedophile. It was widely known that he had been booted out of other organisations for this very reason. Many of us, who were older, kept a very wary eye on Whitehead when any of the young members were close by.

The people who filled the positions of President, Secretary and Treasurer of SRHC at that time, hold those same official positions to this day (unless one or other has resigned in the last month or two without my knowledge), and have held those positions continuously over this entire period.

The idea that they knew nothing is difficult to understand.

I can think of a large number of former members of SRHC who would be able to back up this statement if necessary.









  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Are people working at SRHC not required to hold a Working With Children Check card?
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
None of this should be a surprise. Train-Spotting, railfanning, whatever you want to call it, attracts (amongst others) some young males who are socially inept, timid, and look up to rail employees the way some other teenagers look up to rock stars. I'm sure plenty of pedos know this and are then attracted to this potential honeypot. The preservation groups, needing volunteers, are probably less rigorous in their checkups and follow ups than they should be. Our hobby does not have a great image in society. How many of us would admit to enjoying a bit of trainspotting with the same enthusiasm that we would admit to enjoying a bit of tennis or being an avid gardener. The preservation groups will always have a large percentage of potential pedos and the best they can do kick anybody out who even remotely acts on his or her sick impulses, and report them to the authorities. Committees also need to bite the bullet and realise that somebody's collection of historical artifacts is not a good reason to look the other way. Unfortunately, many committee members are lilly livered and unwilling to shirtfront those whose behaviour is beyond suspicious.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Those problems are by no means unique to the railway preservation movement, as the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse is demonstrating.

For instance, take Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy:
In any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people:
  • First, there will be those who are devoted to the goals of the organization. Examples are dedicated classroom teachers in an educational bureaucracy, many of the engineers and launch technicians and scientists at NASA, even some agricultural scientists and advisors in the former Soviet Union collective farming administration.
  • Secondly, there will be those dedicated to the organization itself. Examples are many of the administrators in the education system, many professors of education, many teachers union officials, much of the NASA headquarters staff, etc.
The Iron Law states that in every case the second group will gain and keep control of the organization. It will write the rules, and control promotions within the organization.
Jerry Pournelle
Rail preservation societies inevitably start to resemble bureaucratic organisations. So do churches, 'Scouting Movement'-type groups, the Victorian Railways (of particular note in this context) and so on. Guess which category of person the 'pedos' become in those organisations.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The Age has posted the facts of the case and very little more. I suggest that there is very little room for discussion until Mr Whitehead is sentenced, given the nature of the charges he has pleaded guilty to.

Justice appears to be working as it should so far, lets make sure it stays that way. Don't Derryn Hinch the case.
LancedDendrite

What is he likely to get?  I guess it will come down to what the prosecution will be asking the Judge to consider?
  changer Station Master

Could add to the Victoria Police dossier on this one!
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
If you have something concrete, go to the police.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Said sleaze bag will probably get 5 with a 3 or 4 with a 2 and head on off to Langi to watch a few videos and answer a few pop quiz questions (being what passes for the sex offenders course here) and watch the trains chugg on by to Ararat.
Travelling Hooker
As someone who also has some knowledge of that system I'm sure you're right. Apparently Adrian Bayley passed his sex-offender course with flying colours... I don't know why they bother spending money on programs that patently don't work.

Isn't there a good chance that Whitehead will end up at Corella Place? He's not a first-time offender and just because he's old doesn't mean he's not dangerous.

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