Closure? of Griffith - Hillston line

 
  a6et Minister for Railways

With the news regarding the 2nd new rail receival & container handling facility near Griffith & to be operated by CRT, mention in each of the news reports of both Hillston & Roto caught my attention.  The triangle at Roto is now closed & likely pulled up, the line from Hillston to Roto has not seen a train in a decade or so past Yonks, but what of Hillston?

It seems to me there is a bit of enthusiasm for the amount of freight that could/should be available to rail in the district, certainly grain is one of them as the size of the grain facilities on the line as far as Hillston shows, & other diversified industries are there as well.

I understand the line is closed from Griffith, can anyone tell me when the line was closed please, was it staged closures say Merriwagga - Hillston, or Goolgowi or in total from Griffith?

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  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
According to nswrail.net the line is open from Griffith to Hillston.

http://www.nswrail.net/lines/show.php?name=NSW:temora_roto

I am not sure the triangle has been lifted. If it has not it would be in poor health.

There is a rather large grain handling facility at Hillston.  Would be surprised if rail was not used to clear that facility.
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
Also fair sized grain facilities at Merriwagga and Goolgowi.  Only a grain line but with a slight potential for other traffic.
  ssaunders Train Controller

Roto triangle is cut form the east west line, track is very poor and could not be used for anything in current state. Turnouts removed.

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  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Also fair sized grain facilities at Merriwagga and Goolgowi.  Only a grain line but with a slight potential for other traffic.
Rodo

Do grain trains still run to Hillston?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
According to SA-Track and signal diagrams the line to Roto is closed at Hillston with a stop board at 748.05kms
http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/NCRN/CN1266.pdf (dated 2010)
Griffith to Hillston is marked as a "7 Day Notice" Line with the comment "This line is not regularly patrolled, and requires 7 days advance notice for proposed traffic movement"
http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/NCRN/CNXK5.pdf (dated 2010)
On the ARTC diagrams Roto is marked as a Block Point with no turnouts at all http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/ARTC/AR409.pdf  (dated 2007)


  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

Also fair sized grain facilities at Merriwagga and Goolgowi.  Only a grain line but with a slight potential for other traffic.

Do grain trains still run to Hillston?
x31
Yes.
The AK cars are running out there this coming Thursday.
BW
  Chidda Bang Locomotive Driver

Location: Banned
Could the xplorer go past griffffeth
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Could the xplorer go past griffffeth
Chidda Bang

Sure.  But to where?
  georges Train Controller

According to nswrail.net the line is open from Griffith to Hillston.

http://www.nswrail.net/lines/show.php?name=NSW:temora_roto

I am not sure the triangle has been lifted. If it has not it would be in poor health.

There is a rather large grain handling facility at Hillston.  Would be surprised if rail was not used to clear that facility.
x31
The nswrail site has been an indispensable resource for a very long time. It has been maintained through the altruism, skill and enthusiasm of Rolfe Bozier, aided by contributions of photographs from many. The nswrail home page notes that the last photographs were uploaded in May 2011. A link announces an indefinite pause from about the same time, http://nswrail.net/about/updates.txt.

Rolfe is surely entitled to take as long a break as he chooses.

As others on this thread have noted, the line from Griffith to Hillston remains open, as also indicated on nswrail. There are other lines and sections of track where services have been suspended since the last update to nswrail. For example there has been no service from Cowra to Young since 2011, according to Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blayney–Demondrille_railway_line. On nswrail, the line is green all the way - http://nswrail.net/lines/show.php?name=NSW:blayney_demondrille.

With the passage of time the accuracy of nswrail is slowly eroding.

As nswrail remains an invaluable reference I wonder if some means could be devised to update and maintain it, with Rolfe Bozier's consent, of course.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Guys

Thank you all for the information & replies, for some reason I was still under the impression that when one started a new thread you were actually subscribed to it, & as I generally only check the wider Railpage Australia™ threads on an ad hoc nature when not subscribed to a thread & not get notified on replies, I simply assumed there were no replies.

The most important news was that from Bevan Wall, thank you for that information Bevan saying the AK cars were heading to Hillston this week which I hope is a start of some more moves in the area for traffic back onto rail.  A good time to check I guess as there is forcast for good rain across inland NSW this coming weekend.

I was on loan at Parkes for a month in May 1970 & had 4 trips to Ivanhoe at the time, observor on a CL delivery, also on the first trial run of 44cl from Bathurst to Parkes, the line at Roto was pretty poor at that time but that was only a passing view though. Comments from some of the Parkes men back then indicated they saw no reason for the line to be open from Hillston as freight business as well as passengers on the CPH were all but non existant.

While I do see a lot of prospects between Griffith & Hillston not sure about any prospective business coming from opening the Roto section unless its see as a path to Adelaide & WA.  Would need a lot of upgrade work to be be done on all the lines though
  Catdog Station Staff

Location: Koyuga, Victoria, Australia
The line as far as hillston is in good condition having been recently upgraded to steel sleepers on what appears 60lb rail. I've only seen 48 class locos on the line out this end with seasonal grain traffic.

There is currently a loco and passenger carriages sitting by the stop board, though I was unable to see much with it being obscured by trees as I drove past
  a6et Minister for Railways

The line as far as hillston is in good condition having been recently upgraded to steel sleepers on what appears 60lb rail. I've only seen 48 class locos on the line out this end with seasonal grain traffic.

There is currently a loco and passenger carriages sitting by the stop board, though I was unable to see much with it being obscured by trees as I drove past
Catdog
By that I take it the whole line is steel sleepered?

Using the unreliable (street level) primarilly because its usually footage from before 2010 the track certainly looks in good order & where level crossings are viewed at street levels there does appear to be decent ballasting as well.  Some lifting of the ballast standard along with even used main line heavy rail would provide a big & easy boost to the lines potential, & size of loco's able to be used out there.

Thanks
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
There is currently a loco and passenger carriages sitting by the stop board, though I was unable to see much with it being obscured by trees as I drove past
Catdog
They would be the AK cars (track test train) which was reportedly heading out the line today
  Catdog Station Staff

Location: Koyuga, Victoria, Australia
Headed by 48s28 and 48s36.
  Catdog Station Staff

Location: Koyuga, Victoria, Australia
By that I take it the whole line is steel sleeped?
A6et


Yes with a pair of timber sleepers under each of the rail joins. Track is well ballasted. The upgrade work has been done in the last couple of years.

North of hillston the track is in very poor condition with rails removed for a short section just past the stop board and across the road just north of hillston.
  DL_Daily Junior Train Controller

The whole region from junee through to hillston has been upgraded with steel sleepers I would estimate it has taken 12 month, wooden sleepers replaced, ballast regulation and tamping done, many joints welded or old weld removed and rewelded.

Plenty of visits by the AK cars behind various loco's as well.

The line from griffith to stockinbingal was also receiving the same treatment over the last 6 months along with the grain siding extension at ardlethan.

So lots of work done and hillston line is still open.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
According to nswrail.net the line is open from Griffith to Hillston.

http://www.nswrail.net/lines/show.php?name=NSW:temora_roto

I am not sure the triangle has been lifted. If it has not it would be in poor health.

There is a rather large grain handling facility at Hillston.  Would be surprised if rail was not used to clear that facility.
The nswrail site has been an indispensable resource for a very long time. It has been maintained through the altruism, skill and enthusiasm of Rolfe Bozier, aided by contributions of photographs from many. The nswrail home page notes that the last photographs were uploaded in May 2011. A link announces an indefinite pause from about the same time, http://nswrail.net/about/updates.txt.

Rolfe is surely entitled to take as long a break as he chooses.

As others on this thread have noted, the line from Griffith to Hillston remains open, as also indicated on nswrail. There are other lines and sections of track where services have been suspended since the last update to nswrail. For example there has been no service from Cowra to Young since 2011, according to Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blayney–Demondrille_railway_line. On nswrail, the line is green all the way - http://nswrail.net/lines/show.php?name=NSW:blayney_demondrille.

With the passage of time the accuracy of nswrail is slowly eroding.

As nswrail remains an invaluable reference I wonder if some means could be devised to update and maintain it, with Rolfe Bozier's consent, of course.
georges
Totally agree, NSWrail is a great resource and the guy has done a massive effort (assume for zero $ in return).

Perhaps Rolfe could invite a few others (hand raised) to support his efforts under his guidance. I tried to contact him via the email on his website to offer support, but its not working.
  a6et Minister for Railways

The whole region from junee through to hillston has been upgraded with steel sleepers I would estimate it has taken 12 month, wooden sleepers replaced, ballast regulation and tamping done, many joints welded or old weld removed and rewelded.

Plenty of visits by the AK cars behind various loco's as well.

The line from griffith to stockinbingal was also receiving the same treatment over the last 6 months along with the grain siding extension at ardlethan.

So lots of work done and hillston line is still open.
DL_Daily
Many thanks for this information as it really makes the region one that may not be under threat, what it really needs though is good rail operators that are prepared to take on the road lobby & push a decent rail operation for the region, the news regarding the Colin Rees new Freight Hub makes for some positive steps in the forward direction.

One question though, with full steel sleepers being laid along with the welded rail being updated, what class of line is it now listed as for freight haulage?
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
a6et,  Share your views that it is good news about the line being fully steel sleepered.   I have no doubt that Colin Rees new ventures both in Victoria and NSW including Griffiths will unlock a lot more potential for mode shift to rail based on his track record and proven success.   I note in the deal struck with PN over recent loco purchases that he has acquired locos like T's and even Y's that can after gauge conversion would be suitable on this route with 60lb per yard rail.  In WA on both standard prior to significant rehabilitation and certainly extensively on their narrow guage network they have been running up to 18 tonne axleloads.  So with the recent works to Hillston you'd assume the track is well supported so that you could get up to 18 TAL.
  DL_Daily Junior Train Controller

Having mentioned earlier the work done on the Junee to Hillston line and resleepering I was given a little bit of information regarding the griffith sidings.

Allegedly last week of August 3 loco's ended up in the dirt when one of the sidings decided it had had enough and decided to the splits under the loco's. 2 x 200 tonne cranes had to be driven over from wagga wagga to rerail the loco's to do line repairs.

The sidings have always taken a beating and never really been maintained to any sort of reasonable standard, sidings don't make money.

Also on another note Leeton triangle points 2B for ricegrowers siding are locked out of use due to very severe mud holes and bent control rods and also 2F leg of the triangle might be close to dumping a loco or 3 on the ground.

Shunting has had to be changed till they can get around to fixing the points and the triangle which has needed work on it for quite some time.

Do have some video of the points in question but no software installed to edit and no time to edit.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Having mentioned earlier the work done on the Junee to Hillston line and resleepering I was given a little bit of information regarding the griffith sidings.

Allegedly last week of August 3 loco's ended up in the dirt when one of the sidings decided it had had enough and decided to the splits under the loco's. 2 x 200 tonne cranes had to be driven over from wagga wagga to rerail the loco's to do line repairs.

The sidings have always taken a beating and never really been maintained to any sort of reasonable standard, sidings don't make money.

Also on another note Leeton triangle points 2B for ricegrowers siding are locked out of use due to very severe mud holes and bent control rods and also 2F leg of the triangle might be close to dumping a loco or 3 on the ground.

Shunting has had to be changed till they can get around to fixing the points and the triangle which has needed work on it for quite some time.

Do have some video of the points in question but no software installed to edit and no time to edit.
DL_Daily
For me, this is another show of how little the various state authorities care about rail,  (I doubt very much that the line is under the ARTC control, therefore its NSW control) as there has generally always been a bun fight over who controls what track, & while its sort of rightfully so the tracks into various sidings & customers have been the cost of the client to pay for repairs, it is up to the operator of the services to ensure the the track is fit for the work intended.

What this has meant is that sidings are maintained by the Rail/track Operator but the cost is paid for for by the client, meaning in the case of these sidings, there should be effective checks over all the sidings by the rail track maintainer, to ensure they are safe & able to handle the wagons & locomotives going into the sidings.

While there is no doubt the primary line from Junee - Hillston is now all done up to modern day standards, including more than likely the primary Grain sidings, how much attention has been given to other sidings still in use at Griffith & Leeton?  For years it has been known the Griffith council has wanted rail out of the centre of town, (except for through trains to & from the Hillston end) & the recent approval of the CRT hub has that fact mentioned in the news release, it is likely the facilities at Griffith & those in Leeton have had, at best minimal maintence over the years.

It would be very interesting to see & know what rail is used in these sidings & the condition of the sleepers, the booking out of track & mud holes certainly show there has been severe lack of any maintenance for some time as they take time to develop, although it can occure faster after a lot of rain following long periods of dry weather.

I'm sure that PN if they are the ones who operate in the area are not too worried about losing a shunting duty as they just want the hook & pull traffic.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
There is no ARTC track in Griffith, it will all be John Holland managed I expect.
  a6et Minister for Railways

There is no ARTC track in Griffith, it will all be John Holland managed I expect.
jamesbushell.au
James

That was what I thought as ARTC territory basically finishes at Junee Northen end of the yard, except I believe there are a couple of roads in the yard the allow for trains to run in there.

In the end its up to the rail provider in this case John Holland rail to go over all the track including service lines into sidings to say if they are ok to operate on.  There was/is likely a part of the line, & using the case in Leeton into the Rice siding where the provider is obligated to maintain the track in serviveable condition & beyond that point it becomes the responsibility of the clien. Again, in this case likely an engines length past the triangle & especially over any public roadway.

If they book a siding out of use, then that means more than likely that the area of problem is within their (John Holland) responsibility & they would have to work out when they will do the work if its reguired for further use. the cost would be part of what is normally charged in the shunting fees.

All this is how it used to be, but these days changes are more than likely to be in affect.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Sorry a6et, didnt mean to come across abrupt!

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