Gawler Rail Station

 
  the_little_engine Beginner

Hello all!
Ive just moved to just outside of Gawler, Adelaide from New Zealand and am fascinated by the older looking trains they have in the stables.... Ive travelled to brisbane, sydney and melbourne so far and have finally landed in adelaide.

ive never seen so many trains sleeping in a yard thats so far away from the city before... why is that?
and why have they not any electrics is this because adelaide is so far behind?
im actually blown away by the fact that the rail yard has such old trains but security system so advanced?
is this from delinquent children throwing rocks at rail cars? blood kids!
i ran into a train driver finishing his shift as i was admiring the old cats purr.
i just couldnt help to notice there was a million hi tech cameras and looked to be electric fence or something!!!
does anyone know what theyve done to spruce it the stables and why???
is this a big problem in australia?

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  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
The outer northern and southern suburbs of Adelaide are known delinquent hotspots. That is not to say everyone who lives there is delinquent but just a few. Graffiti vandalism is a big problem for Transport Operators with any flattish vertical surface (mobile seems to be preferred) seemingly fair game to these moronic individuals who think by placing their scribble on it, it becomes their property or something. The fact that we have one of the last metropolitan diesel powered railcar service in the world is only indicative of the policy of various government at the state level to run the passenger transport fleets into the ground by not funding maintenance unless it can't be avoided due to law suits or changing legislation. So we have a situation where we have high tech security around depots protecting diesel railcars from being dirtied to reduce the overall maintenance costs. As far as electrification goes, this IS coming, but so is Christmas next year. Electrification has occurred on the Seaford Line with the last of an order for 22 electric railcars of 75m length capable of crush loading 540 pax to be delivered in the next few weeks. Once the other lines are electrified, the 3000 class railcars (referred to as poxboxes) can be electrified. These are of very similar design to the Melbourne railcars but with diesel electric traction systems. As a result it is no biggie to convert them to electric only.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
I like the approach to potential graffiti vandals Kiwi Rail use in Palmerston North to protect the Capital Connection cars:   have a water pipe run the length of the cars at roof level and trigger sprinklers in it to respond to any motion near the cars.    That discourages the vandals fairly quickly!

Apparently some of the graffiti on the Adelaide cars is by dedicated villians who go as far as cutting the enclosure wire to get in thus avoiding the tiger wire along the top of the enclosure fences.
  the_little_engine Beginner

this is so very true..... come 10 years ago you would barely see any vandalism on trains back home but now its just an eye-sore..... its such a shame as im literally blown away by these older trains now seeing mostly everywhere else u go is mostly electrics i would love if they kept them forever (hopefully) but i just cant help to think they are spending more money on  security then actually keeping these trains looking beautiful........ i dont know i dont want to hastle but its true and its a shame.... i see too many old beat up trains coming out to the platform. with windows so scratched u cant even see out them!! yet they have a yard with what it looks like fence wire sensors, industrial metals, hightech cctv etc and prison grade wire barbs. Am i just being all crazy or do they actually have wire sensors along the fence lining???
This is bloody insane that to keep them safe these days they have to make a miniature prison.
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  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Hello all!
Ive just moved to just outside of Gawler, Adelaide from New Zealand and am fascinated by the older looking trains they have in the stables.... Ive travelled to brisbane, sydney and melbourne so far and have finally landed in adelaide.

ive never seen so many trains sleeping in a yard thats so far away from the city before... why is that?
and why have they not any electrics is this because adelaide is so far behind?
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"the_little_engine"

The reason there is a stabling yard at Gawler (likewise Seaford and Belair) is that the major traffic flow during the peaks, city bound in the morning and outbound in the evening.

The typical life of an suburban multiple unit is 30-40 years.  Look at the range of age in the Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane fleets.  Perth has a younger fleet with having only been electrified in the 1990s.  The Adelaide units all underwent major refurbishment in the last few years, having been introduced between 1987-95.

Alex C
  rwatts Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide SA
The typical life of an suburban multiple unit is 30-40 years.  Look at the range of age in the Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane fleets.  Perth has a younger fleet with having only been electrified in the 1990s.  The Adelaide units all underwent major refurbishment in the last few years, having been introduced between 1987-95.

Alex C
62430

And of course some of the diesel units made surplus by the Perth electrification were sold to New Zealand for Auckland and are again being made redundant there by the Auckland electrification project.

Richard.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Ive just moved to just outside of Gawler, Adelaide from New Zealand and am fascinated by the older looking trains they have in the stables....
ive never seen so many trains sleeping in a yard thats so far away from the city before... why is that?
the_little_engine
I live in the opposite direction from the city, so I don't know which trains are in the Gawler yard. However, it's not hard to work out:


If, as I suspect, some of the "old trains" you refer to are these 2000/2100 class DMUs, they are life expired units which are simply stored there until they get scrapped because it's a good place to get them out of the way. These DMUs are nearly 40 years old, are now life expired, were never the right choice in the first place and have since been replaced by new Bombardier EMUs operating on the Seaford/Tonsley lines.


If some of them are these more modern 3000/3100 class DEMUs, they are stabled there because their final duty of the day will be an evening peak (i.e. outbound, carrying city workers home after work) commuter service to Gawler or Gawler Central and their first duty of the following day will be a morning peak (inbound) commuter service. Why add in a 60km round trip of non-revenue running to the Dry Creek depot 30km away when you could do a quick shunt instead?

If you went looking for them in the right places, you would also find stabling yards near the end of every other Australian city's commuter lines. For example, there are sidings for stabling next to Mount Victoria station, 126 kilometres away from Sydney (three times as far away as Gawler) in the Blue Mountains.

and why have they not any electrics is this because adelaide is so far behind?
the_little_engine
If you go to the Seaford line (including Tonsley spur) in the south, you will find it has been electrified.

Adelaide is a bit behind many larger cities on electrification, but it must also be pointed out that passenger usage has only recently increased to the point that electrification is viable. Despite the project running late due to poor project management, Adelaide's first electric line (to Seaford, south of the city) still managed to enter service a few months before the backward sheep shaggers in Auckland got their first electric trains running.

There will no doubt be further electrification to come on the other lines (including to Gawler) at some point, but only as the existing 3000/3100 class DEMUs start to approach life expiry. They are excellent units which will continue to benefit from world-class build quality for many years to come so we may as well use them.

im actually blown away by the fact that the rail yard has such old trains but security system so advanced?
is this from delinquent children throwing rocks at rail cars? blood kids!
the_little_engine
If the only trains stored there are the life expired 2000 class then the security systems will have been from when it was previously used as an operational depot and will be needed there again when it next returns to operational use.

Graffiti is more the issue than rock throwing. Certain preventative measures are cheaper than just accepting the issue and cleaning the trains each time. I'm sure that operational train depots in NZ have security fencing and CCTV too.

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