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  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
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  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


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  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
$30 discount available for a few days on in stock & preorders, details at https://www.facebook.com/southernrailmodels
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Changes to the SSCC and limited edition models to be available to the general public.
http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/weve-updated-our-southern-spirit-club-car
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

Changes to the SSCC and limited edition models to be available to the general public.
http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/weve-updated-our-southern-spirit-club-car
Poath Junction

There goes most of the benefit.

AND a very childish put-down of various other companies on the website.

Paul
  The_trolley Deputy Commissioner

Location: Banned
What an utterly ridiculous update which only confirms my personal belief that the people behind Southern Rail Models aren’t worthy of receiving any of my hard earned wages.


My advice to SRM would be to produce accurate models that are actually worthy of being purchased over their “competitions” offerings and to also think about not acting like petulant children when the competition calls their bluff (always politely I might add) and produces a product which far exceeds SRM’s own offerings. Not chucking a tantrum when another manufacturer is forced to show its hand because it’s well into the tooling and early production stages of a model when SRM lobs little more than some leaflets and idea onto the market wouldn’t go astray either (rushing a half baked model to the market in an effort to then beat two years of behind the scenes effort of another manufacturer is probably an idea to rethink too).
  a6et Minister for Railways

What an utterly ridiculous update which only confirms my personal belief that the people behind Southern Rail Models aren’t worthy of receiving any of my hard earned wages.


My advice to SRM would be to produce accurate models that are actually worthy of being purchased over their “competitions” offerings and to also think about not acting like petulant children when the competition calls their bluff (always politely I might add) and produces a product which far exceeds SRM’s own offerings. Not chucking a tantrum when another manufacturer is forced to show its hand because it’s well into the tooling and early production stages of a model when SRM lobs little more than some leaflets and idea onto the market wouldn’t go astray either (rushing a half baked model to the market in an effort to then beat two years of behind the scenes effort of another manufacturer is probably an idea to rethink too).
The_trolley
Infortunately what you are saying in regard to Southern Models & ownership is not exactly confined to that company & owner either.  In todays MR world, & that means a few years now, the idea you are saying is called gazumping & its been around for a while now.
  OldRoy Beginner

Spot on Trolley, a very childish update, and I never did like the idea of having to join a "club" to access product....
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

update 23/9 - http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/new-available-models
  WAGR_trains Assistant Commissioner


update 23/9 - http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/new-available-models
"Poath Junction"


Hmm hope this isnt the final product - some paint missing in places....

Needs black on the buffer beam.....
  ALCO4401 Train Controller

Location: On the Branch waiting for a train order, west of Tarana
Not to mention a couple of big errors on the "original Westrail orange version L256 as it ran in WA" photos on their FB page.
FRONT stamped on the end of the Dynamic brake cowling
Huge gap between said cowling and the body (should be none)
Where the moulding under the blower vent on the foot plate isn't lined up either, there is also a gap that shouldn't be there.


Hopefully they won't be there on the finished models
  wagrttn Locomotive Driver

Not to mention a couple of big errors on the "original Westrail orange version L256 as it ran in WA" photos on their FB page.
FRONT stamped on the end of the Dynamic brake cowling
Huge gap between said cowling and the body (should be none)
Where the moulding under the blower vent on the foot plate isn't lined up either, there is also a gap that shouldn't be there.


Hopefully they won't be there on the finished models
ALCO4401

Yes, in the pictures that removable section looks exactly like what it is.

As locomotive models become more and more fragile it's not a bad idea to contemplate alternatives to having to remove the entire body (and some companies appear to go out of their way to ensure such removal is more difficult than it could have been) but I think that concealing the edge of a removable section will usually be very difficult to achieve, regardless of whether it aligns with a panel join on the real subject. Joins between parts in small scale models rarely appear to scale. I would be disappointed to purchase an expensive, detailed model and be presented with such an obvious concession to being a toy (errr... remote control scale model).
  M636C Minister for Railways

Having checked the facebook page, the Clyde badge on L270 is shown as red whereas I recall it as being blue.

While I have photos showing silver roof fans, these are in 1984 and later and I'm pretty sure I would have seen these in 1975 when the early Westrail scheme without white lining was introduced. I recall going up to the control tower at Forrestfield and I'm fairly sure that if there had been silver fans then I'd have seen them....

The Wisconsin Central badge on the nose of L251 was a removable magnetic sign which had been on the door of a road vehicle but ended up on the nose of 251.... It certainly was there but I don't know for how long...

The removable dynamic brake housing would help in modelling the two Weipa units except that they had entirely different air intakes than the models made by either company so far...

What would be good is offering the cab and nose separately for adding to an Austrains C class to get models of 274 to 277....

M636C
  DQ2004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Hobart -where the rain has lumps in it
Having checked the facebook page, the Clyde badge on L270 is shown as red whereas I recall it as being blue.

While I have photos showing silver roof fans, these are in 1984 and later and I'm pretty sure I would have seen these in 1975 when the early Westrail scheme without white lining was introduced. I recall going up to the control tower at Forrestfield and I'm fairly sure that if there had been silver fans then I'd have seen them....

The Wisconsin Central badge on the nose of L251 was a removable magnetic sign which had been on the door of a road vehicle but ended up on the nose of 251.... It certainly was there but I don't know for how long...

The removable dynamic brake housing would help in modelling the two Weipa units except that they had entirely different air intakes than the models made by either company so far...

What would be good is offering the cab and nose separately for adding to an Austrains C class to get models of 274 to 277....

M636C
M636C
The Clyde logo on 270 was most definitely a dark red/maroon colour. See photo. SRM said on their FB page that it was a brighter red than they had intended.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/catchpoints412/9089738358/in/photolist-dycjTo-dycmqS-87YGcb-bfKEo8-bfKE5F-oeQYB5-cEpy5j-c19awN-aAQUPk-jtyT2d-eRehyL-dy6T4M-8DNP7P-f6FKrJ-7EjWSi-cEpuNy-dy6RnZ-9UNhUm-f6FKzQ-tAF4F5-6eKMDg-tDxCwH-tms6gG-69JGra-r8hmLJ-69JLan-tDrA82-eRehwS-axW7aN-bzPpQX-6GHNr9-5XjpUH-6GUMPj-9bSga3-aB1BbG-bBxKiu-8KHrUS-6Yb7Yv-bqpBvc-6GYrow-6GUmwK-bqpBsZ-eR2Uuz-6GVCCZ-7Ep9mG-6GUnbi-aB1Du7-eRehsG-72CSCf-aB1Ce3

Regarding the Wisconsin Central badge, I think that they must have decided to put it on one of the models, so they put it on 251.  Removable or not, it certainly appeared a few times, I've certainly seen plenty of photos of 251 with the sign attached.
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
There were at least 2 of the WC logos, and they were magnetic. They were slightly different sizes and one was a little darker than the other. They were generally put on the end units of the set, which was normally an L, but I think one was put on a 422 at least once. The lighter red one was about the width of a fridge door. I'm guessing the dark one was a standard decal from US, and the light one might of been a local copy?

Cheers, Matt.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner
  vlocity27 Junior Train Controller

Location: Pakenham
Does anyone know if all the PTV vlocities have the quiet carriage and 'made in Victoria' stickers on them?
The website displays that they all have ICE radio.
http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/vlocity-2nd-run.html
  DQ2004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Hobart -where the rain has lumps in it
Does anyone know if all the PTV vlocities have the quiet carriage and 'made in Victoria' stickers on them?
The website displays that they all have ICE radio.
http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/vlocity-2nd-run.html
vlocity27
I assume you mean the V/Line website? The SRM page only has a few sets coming with the ICE radio.

Anyway, when I was at Spencer St in March this year, looking at my photos from the day, definitely not all had the ICE radio pack on the roof, in fact I didn't see one V/Locity set with it.
They may all have it now, I don't know.
Also, they didn't all have the 'Made in Victoria' stickers either, but most sets appeared to have at least one quiet carriage.

Cheers
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Does anyone know if all the PTV vlocities have the quiet carriage and 'made in Victoria' stickers on them?
The website displays that they all have ICE radio.
http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/vlocity-2nd-run.html
I assume you mean the V/Line website? The SRM page only has a few sets coming with the ICE radio.

Anyway, when I was at Spencer St in March this year, looking at my photos from the day, definitely not all had the ICE radio pack on the roof, in fact I didn't see one V/Locity set with it.
They may all have it now, I don't know.
Also, they didn't all have the 'Made in Victoria' stickers either, but most sets appeared to have at least one quiet carriage.

Cheers
DQ2004
Now, as I have watched the test runs and have taken photos of the recent test runs, every PTV decaled V/locity for certain has ICE radio ex Bombardier Dandenong. Some other units appear to have the radios before getting re decaled as they appear on the ICE train radio tracker.

The Made in Victoria logos literally and virtually appeared "overnight". Most seemed to appear within a week or two of the first ones sighted.

SRM would be wise to make those in a Vinyl decal, and to be applied as one would like.


Also SRM made mention of how they are retooling certain things with the V/locity like the bogies and whatnot... hopefully they do a better job this time because I feel the original run was rushed, and you could tell with the fit of parts and some of the finishing.
  vlocity27 Junior Train Controller

Location: Pakenham
thanks guys, very helpful
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
I did a quick test of my factory fitted sound L's yesterday. Under DCC control you have fully access to light functions allowing it to run prototypically (or unprototypically) as you see fit. For those wanting an idea of how she sounds I've added a video to https://www.facebook.com/PoathJunction/videos/995523690515348/
  AdelaideHills Station Staff

Location: Southwestern Germany
I did a quick test of my factory fitted sound L's yesterday. Under DCC control you have fully access to light functions allowing it to run prototypically (or unprototypically) as you see fit. For those wanting an idea of how she sounds I've added a video to https://www.facebook.com/PoathJunction/videos/995523690515348/
Poath Junction
Hmm, I'm wondering when we will get some reports about the quality and details of both L class engines. I might be interested in an ARG 3102 or 3103 in GWA paint scheme (which only Southernrailmodels offer but Haskell not) but I'm not pretty sure if I'll need one after GWA does not have any of those now. Can anybody deliver me some arguments why I should urgently order one and do not hold my money until Auscision will release the 22s??? Pics and comments are welcome...

Thomas
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Hmm, I'm wondering when we will get some reports about the quality and details of both L class engines.
AdelaideHills

Shouldn't be long.  Both are only just heading to shops now so it will be a lot easier to compare them side by side in the next few weeks.
  M636C Minister for Railways

I did a quick test of my factory fitted sound L's yesterday. Under DCC control you have fully access to light functions allowing it to run prototypically (or unprototypically) as you see fit. For those wanting an idea of how she sounds I've added a video to https://www.facebook.com/PoathJunction/videos/995523690515348/
Poath Junction
Hmm, I'm wondering when we will get some reports about the quality and details of both L class engines. I might be interested in an ARG 3102 or 3103 in GWA paint scheme (which only Southernrailmodels offer but Haskell not) but I'm not pretty sure if I'll need one after GWA does not have any of those now. Can anybody deliver me some arguments why I should urgently order one and do not hold my money until Auscision will release the 22s??? Pics and comments are welcome...

Thomas
"AdelaideHills"


Technically GWA never owned any L class. That name post dates the sale of the former WAGR to QR...

The 31 class units used for NAR construction were lettered "Australia Northern" but I think they were all rebadged as "Australian Railroad Group" before they started work in NSW. I have a feeling that at least one 22 class ran in NSW still lettered Australia Northern...

I don't think Southern are selling any with Australia Northern lettering, just as there is one Westrail unit painted (with white edging) for use in WA and three painted for use in Victoria...

As far as I know no L class ran regularly on services in South Australia.

M636C
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Hmm, I'm wondering when we will get some reports about the quality and details of both L class engines. I might be interested in an ARG 3102 or 3103 in GWA paint scheme (which only Southernrailmodels offer but Haskell not) but I'm not pretty sure if I'll need one after GWA does not have any of those now. Can anybody deliver me some arguments why I should urgently order one and do not hold my money until Auscision will release the 22s??? Pics and comments are welcome...

Thomas
AdelaideHills
I follow various forums and, so far, there has been overall praise for both manufacturers offerings from people who have actually purchased/received them.  There's the usual grumbles from those who have no intention of buying either, and a few valid pros/cons to each model.

I have received 2 SRM L's with ATN livery and my first impressions are:
Excellent running at all speeds.
Paint and detail application is superb (no loose bits in the boxes). There's some very fine detail parts, and a bag of spares in case of loss / damage. Full exploded parts diagrams are included along with a multipage instruction manual.
Fine detail items are far more robust than I expected, handrails can take accidental knocks with no problems.
Access to DCC decoder is simple, full body removal also very easy. You could have a DC version converted to aftermarket DCC/sound in under a minute.
DCC sound version lets you set lighting as prototypically as you want, and the sound is rather impressive.

The liftoff DCC access area has generated many comments regarding shadows making its location/design rather obvious. It should be noted all the sample pics are taken under bright lighting conditions that emphasize this shadowing, under normal lighting conditions it is nowhere near as obvious.

If you're on a limited budget then the Haskell model is the cheaper option (read "cheapest financially", not "cheap quality") and I expect most who purchase one will be happy with it. If you want modern versions, or rtr sound versions with working ditch lights, etc then SRM is what you'll be buying, and again most will be happy with the loco.

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