SAR/CR Trivia #24

 
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Let's try Palmerston (SAR west) and Queanbeyan (CR east).  Palmerston is of course now known as Darwin, but I believe that the renaming occurred at the same time that the North Australia Railway was handed over to the Commonwealth.

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  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Yes - Palmerston is considerably west of Penong and the SAR ran the line down to Pine Creek before the NT was ceded to the Commonwealth a very long time ago!

And the then Palmerston is not to be confused with the present Palmerston a satellite suburb of Darwin.

All yours DuttonBay.
  xdford Chief Train Controller

Just to get the ball rolling again, there was something unique about Quorn station yard back in SAR/CR days! What was it?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Just to get the ball rolling again, there was something unique about Quorn station yard back in SAR/CR days! What was it?
xdford
The catch points interlocked to the three arm semaphore at the northern end of the yard. The yards was controlled and staffed by the CR.
  xdford Chief Train Controller

The catch points interlocked to the three arm semaphore at the northern end of the yard. The yards was controlled and staffed by the CR.
steam4ian
Hi Ian

Not what I had in mind although that is admittedly unique but you are on the right track (pardon the pun) with the trackwork in the yard. Unless I am vastly mistaken, it was the only application of its kind in South Australia.

Trevor
  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide
Just to get the ball rolling again, there was something unique about Quorn station yard back in SAR/CR days! What was it?
xdford

There was (and still is) a number of unique aspects to Quorn given its SAR/CR history.

I'll have a stab at one, being possibly the only NG double compound turnout? Don't know the EP well so there may well have been ones over there also.

Also note that it was probably one of the only yards to have such a large range of rail sizes, from memory possibly all of the following: 41lb, 50 A, 50 1/2, 60 A, 60 AS, 60 WAR, 60 C of A.
  xdford Chief Train Controller

There was (and still is) a number of unique aspects to Quorn given its SAR/CR history.

I'll have a stab at one, being possibly the only NG double compound turnout? Don't know the EP well so there may well have been ones over there also.

Also note that it was probably one of the only yards to have such a large range of rail sizes, from memory possibly all of the following: 41lb, 50 A, 50 1/2, 60 A, 60 AS, 60 WAR, 60 C of A.
simont141
Congrats Simon, it had the only double slip in the northern end of the yard and in later years was very hard to pick up... and it was/is the only NG one in South Australia. There was the mistaken belief that it was the only NG one in Australia but there are many in WA. I counted seven in Bunbury yard alone and quite a few in the old Perth yard...

Your go but don't leave it too long!

Trevor
  xdford Chief Train Controller

Ok Simon has been WAY too long so.... to get the ball rolling again...

Where was the biggest angle diamond crossing in the old SAR?
  Guard Class 2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Elizabeth,South Australia
WSITD Adelaide Yard?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Strathalbyn, Up end, where the back road crossed the short spur off the goods shed road?
  xdford Chief Train Controller

Strathalbyn, Up end, where the back road crossed the short spur off the goods shed road?

Sorry fellas, been a bit slack - neither of those at least as far as I know - I must google earth them. A hint would be that it would have been closer than Strathalbyn but not in Adelaide yard,,,

Trevor
steam4ian
  xdford Chief Train Controller

Strathalbyn, Up end, where the back road crossed the short spur off the goods shed road?

xdfordin
Ian, was there a crossover there? I have just put on Google Earth (result of installing Linux) I could only pick out a point on your description... was there a diamond there?  The angle would not have been as large as what I am thinking of ...

Trevor
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Where was the biggest angle diamond crossing in the old SAR?
xdford
G'day Trevor,

OK First one I remember ..... there are two at this location (single track running north south crosses two tracks running NE/NW. Not sure of the actual angle, but I'd say it was at Port Adelaide. Specifically between No1 and No 2 Docks on the east side of the port river. Can't remember the berth number, but it is just upstream of the new rail bridge.

You can still see it on Google earth (hope this link works!)

Second location, again two diamonds one at 90 degree, one about 60 degree, At the old ICI (Penrice Soda) site at Osborne, just south of the Mechanical and Electrical workshops.


I also have a thought in the back of my head that there may have been one or two on the Outer Harbor wharves as well (the Old No.1-4 wharves), but google doesn't help because of the massive shade cloth carpark roof!

{Edit:- you might have to zoom those images in a tad! They have been "out of use" for a while on both sites}
  xdford Chief Train Controller

Where was the biggest angle diamond crossing in the old SAR?
G'day Trevor,

OK First one I remember ..... there are two at this location (single track running north south crosses two tracks running NE/NW. Not sure of the actual angle, but I'd say it was at Port Adelaide. Specifically between No1 and No 2 Docks on the east side of the port river. Can't remember the berth number, but it is just upstream of the new rail bridge.

You can still see it on Google earth (hope this link works!)

Second location, again two diamonds one at 90 degree, one about 60 degree, At the old ICI (Penrice Soda) site at Osborne, just south of the Mechanical and Electrical workshops.


I also have a thought in the back of my head that there may have been one or two on the Outer Harbor wharves as well (the Old No.1-4 wharves), but google doesn't help because of the massive shade cloth carpark roof!

{Edit:- you might have to zoom those images in a tad! They have been "out of use" for a while on both sites}
Pressman
Hi Tony,

I have to give this one to you but it was not the one I had in mind. The spur line in to Islington works passenger platform had a very big angle crossing into the Points and Crossing Shop which I thought was the biggest angle but your maps prove otherwise. There is no proof of this now as shops are inconveniently in the way of where the buildings were...

Over to you,

Regards

Trevor
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Floor is Open
  ARG706 Chief Commissioner

Location: SA

I have to give this one to you but it was not the one I had in mind. The spur line in to Islington works passenger platform had a very big angle crossing into the Points and Crossing Shop which I thought was the biggest angle but your maps prove otherwise. There is no proof of this now as shops are inconveniently in the way of where the buildings were...


xdford
Clicking on the clock icon in GE will bring up options for aerial views from around the early 2000s to the current day. This should enable one to get a glimpse of the track in question.
  xdford Chief Train Controller

I tried that and turned back the clock to 2000. Most of the buildings were there including the Tool Room - the three buildings running east-west - (where it all began for me at the Apprentice School). The Points and Crossings shop was the long thin shed at the west end of the tool room. Although I could work out the approx position of the crossing, I could not actually see much evidence of the  crossing as I remembered it. I did actually pace out the angle as being about a .5 frog angle back in 71 ... when a 350 or a workie was not creeping up! I think Tony's examples looked sharper and the evidence is there!

Cheers


Trevor
  4BJ Chief Commissioner

Location: Backside trackside at Hawthorn near Mitcham
I think it is safe to so say the floor is open, so I will put up a Question.

Many years ago, distances of railway stations from Adelaide were measured in Miles, Chains and Links.  A Mile is a Mile.  A Chain is 1/80th of a Mile of Mile and a Link is 1/100th of a Chain.

My Question is this:

What is the length of a Link in Inches?  (Your answer needs to be correct to two decimal places).
  brianph Locomotive Driver

Location: Bethany
I think it is safe to so say the floor is open, so I will put up a Question.

Many years ago, distances of railway stations from Adelaide were measured in Miles, Chains and Links.  A Mile is a Mile.  A Chain is 1/80th of a Mile of Mile and a Link is 1/100th of a Chain.

My Question is this:

What is the length of a Link in Inches?  (Your answer needs to be correct to two decimal places).
4BJ
7.92?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
7.9200
  4BJ Chief Commissioner

Location: Backside trackside at Hawthorn near Mitcham
brianph was the first to give a correct answer.


The floor is yours, Brian.
  xdford Chief Train Controller

Just to keep a bit of interest up ( and I daresay this might cause a bit of discussion) seeing no one has put their hands up for 3 months...

There was an unusual aspect of the old Commonwealth Railways lading specifications  for locomotives and trains in  their Working Time Tables which, given the topography of the Trans line, was probably not too necessary but I believe unique to CR in Australia at least...

Anyone care to work out, feel free!

Cheers

Trevor
  xdford Chief Train Controller

Obviously no takers so the old CR timetables had the loading tables for locos based purely on tonnage - no gradients of any note to worry about so the speed rates were corelated to tonnage only. A GM1 class could take 440 tons at 60 mph from Pirie to Augusta and was allowed to take 660 tons (pre metric) but limited to 40mph.

SAR had load vs time tables but that was limited by horsepower and gradient, not by fiat...  

If anyone else comes up with one,  put it in!

Cheers

Trevor

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