50 level crossings to be removed

 
  A hat with a toucan 2:ele Junior Train Controller

I have no idea what all you guys are arguing about but it's a terrible bore.

Regarding the actual topic of this thread and the recent Community Update released for Gardiner Station, it seems that the new island tram stop has already been constructed. The positioning is not ideal at all: a little north of the current location, requiring pedestrians to cross two signals to reach the station (and viceversa), rather than one as current. Has anyone been down to check out the new platform?
jamesadams7
I would advise you to look at the thread that is entirely based around the Burke road crossing removal, Gauntlet has taken a few pictures in that thread.

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  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Geotechnical & site investigations are about to commence at Cheltenham Station:

http://ptv.vic.gov.au/live-travel-updates/article/temporary-car-park-closure-at-cheltenham-station-wednesday-4-november-friday-13-november-2015
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Not sure if anyone has already posted this Age article critical of the removal of that Werribee crosssing that seldom sees any trains now that RRL has been opened:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/werribee-level-crossing-that-sees-one-train-every-two-hours-to-be-removed-20151026-gkiv9d.html

I guess if the electric service ever extends westwards then the grade separation will be necessary anyway.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Latest crossing removals have been announced; Scoresby Road & Mountain Highway, Bayswater. In the press release it says that both crossings will be removed through a combination of raising the roads and lowering the railway line so that trains can still access the maintenance yard at Bayswater. Bayswater station is to be rebuilt. Works are apparently going to start early next year with both crossings gone by 2017.

http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/bayswater-crossings-next-to-go-in-labor-government-blitz
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Imagine if those level crossings were removed before the railyards were put there, any idea how it would have been done?

Also, that level removal will leave only one level crossing with a road between Ringwood and Belgrave.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Imagine if those level crossings were removed before the railyards were put there, any idea how it would have been done?

Also, that level removal will leave only one level crossing with a road between Ringwood and Belgrave.
Myrtone
As far as I know the history of this area, the railyards have always been there, in different configurations. They were certainly there in 1957 when the line was mostly still single: http://www.victorianrailways.net/signaling/completedia/baylowgul1957.html - so I think your question of "imagine" is a moot point. Whatever traffic levels in this area would've been much lower so removing the crossing would probably not have been needed.

This removal will be interesting as maintaining access to the railway workshops was always a bit of a sticking point. Obviously a solution has been found to maintain railway access to the workshops.

Here is a current track diagram of the area from VicSig: http://vicsig.net/index.php?page=infrastructure&interlocking=Bayswater

Edit. The design of the Mountain Highway crossing removal (one part of this project) is up on the LXRA website. Looks good: http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/news/bayswater-level-crossings-next-for-removal
  historian Deputy Commissioner

The latest LXRA community update has more details of the reworked timetable for the Ormond/McKinnon/Bentleigh grade separations.

The benefits of shortening the construction time are stated to be a reduction in the impact to local residents and traders of construction activity (but see below). In particular, the 2016 Christmas trading season will not be affected.

The bridge deck for North Road is to be constructed during November 2015 & January 2016. North Road will have three three day shutdowns this month (commencing Friday 13, 20 & 27), and a 9 day shutdown from Friday 22 January. Reading between the lines, it would appear that the November shuts will not involve loss of rail services before the finish of the Friday pm peak, but probably on the Sats/Suns. But we'll see.

The bridge deck for McKinnon Road is to be constructed over three lengthy shutdowns: the first from Friday 22/1, the second from Thursday 3/3 (four days), and the final one over the Easter school holidays (24/3-1/4).

The bridge deck for Centre Road is to be constructed over the later two shutdowns. (3/3-7/3 & 24/3-1/4).

Excavations of the cuttings etc will now occur during a 34 day shutdown during June/July 2016.

As for the stations, McKinnon will close 'early 2016' and reopen 'mid to late 2016'. Ormond and Bentleigh will close 'mid 2016' and reopen 'late 2016'.

(Commentary: The difference between the precise closure dates for the roads, and the vague dates for the stations is to be noted. I may be cynical from too much spin, but I'd suspect that a consequence of shortening the construction period is a lengthening of the station closure periods. This, of course, is not a benefit to the locals and has been de-emphasised in the the communications. I'd suspect that McKinnon will close with the Easter shutdown (24/3) and remain shut until a month (or later) after the big shut in June/July - say 4-5 months minimum. Ormond and Bentleigh would appear to shut with the big shut in June/July and will also be closed for some months ('late 2016'). Given that McKinnon will be a simpler construction job (being just a basic station), I wonder if they are thinking about re-opening it earlier than Ormond & Bentleigh. This would give some service to locals in the southern part of Ormond and the northern part of Bentleigh.)

In more concrete news, the subway at McKinnon will be permanently closed as from the coming Monday 9 November. On the same date, the eastern car park at McKinnon will be permanently closed, and various bike parking bollards will be removed.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
The latest LXRA community update has more details of the reworked timetable for the Ormond/McKinnon/Bentleigh grade separations.

The benefits of shortening the construction time are stated to be a reduction in the impact to local residents and traders of construction activity (but see below). In particular, the 2016 Christmas trading season will not be affected.

The bridge deck for North Road is to be constructed during November 2015 & January 2016. North Road will have three three day shutdowns this month (commencing Friday 13, 20 & 27), and a 9 day shutdown from Friday 22 January. Reading between the lines, it would appear that the November shuts will not involve loss of rail services before the finish of the Friday pm peak, but probably on the Sats/Suns. But we'll see.

The bridge deck for McKinnon Road is to be constructed over three lengthy shutdowns: the first from Friday 22/1, the second from Thursday 3/3 (four days), and the final one over the Easter school holidays (24/3-1/4).

The bridge deck for Centre Road is to be constructed over the later two shutdowns. (3/3-7/3 & 24/3-1/4).

Excavations of the cuttings etc will now occur during a 34 day shutdown during June/July 2016.

As for the stations, McKinnon will close 'early 2016' and reopen 'mid to late 2016'. Ormond and Bentleigh will close 'mid 2016' and reopen 'late 2016'.

(Commentary: The difference between the precise closure dates for the roads, and the vague dates for the stations is to be noted. I may be cynical from too much spin, but I'd suspect that a consequence of shortening the construction period is a lengthening of the station closure periods. This, of course, is not a benefit to the locals and has been de-emphasised in the the communications. I'd suspect that McKinnon will close with the Easter shutdown (24/3) and remain shut until a month (or later) after the big shut in June/July - say 4-5 months minimum. Ormond and Bentleigh would appear to shut with the big shut in June/July and will also be closed for some months ('late 2016'). Given that McKinnon will be a simpler construction job (being just a basic station), I wonder if they are thinking about re-opening it earlier than Ormond & Bentleigh. This would give some service to locals in the southern part of Ormond and the northern part of Bentleigh.)

In more concrete news, the subway at McKinnon will be permanently closed as from the coming Monday 9 November. On the same date, the eastern car park at McKinnon will be permanently closed, and various bike parking bollards will be removed.
historian
Thanks for this analysis. I'm travelling on the line twice a week and I've been noting all the construction activities. I've also noted the bustitutions as I'll be working on some of those occasions.

Interesting point on closing subways. Out of the three stations, McKinnon is probably the luckiest having both ground level and subway access. Bentleigh once had subways but these have been long buried - the structures are still there. Ormond hasn't had ground access but has subway access.
  trestle_nutter Train Controller

Location: Yarra Valley
Imagine if those level crossings were removed before the railyards were put there, any idea how it would have been done?

Also, that level removal will leave only one level crossing with a road between Ringwood and Belgrave.
As far as I know the history of this area, the railyards have always been there, in different configurations. They were certainly there in 1957 when the line was mostly still single: http://www.victorianrailways.net/signaling/completedia/baylowgul1957.html - so I think your question of "imagine" is a moot point. Whatever traffic levels in this area would've been much lower so removing the crossing would probably not have been needed.

This removal will be interesting as maintaining access to the railway workshops was always a bit of a sticking point. Obviously a solution has been found to maintain railway access to the workshops.

Here is a current track diagram of the area from VicSig: http://vicsig.net/index.php?page=infrastructure&interlocking=Bayswater




jdekorte
by not excavating the cutting to full depth & building a hump bridge for Mountain Hwy, they can achieve a suitable grade for the ramp up to the workshops
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Looked like some work going on at the Melton Highway today - possibly soil samples before announcing the start of works soon? Makes sense to get that one and Calder Park Drive done soon as the use of the Calder Park stabling increases.
  A hat with a toucan 2:ele Junior Train Controller

Looked like some work going on at the Melton Highway today - possibly soil samples before announcing the start of works soon? Makes sense to get that one and Calder Park Drive done soon as the use of the Calder Park stabling increases.
TOQ-1
...Except that Calder park drive is not listed as the 50 to be removed, knowing how stupid the goverments are, Melton highway wont be done untill its last on the list, along with Bell street in both locations and Aviation road in Laverton. The soil samples are just to look like they are starting work.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Looked like some work going on at the Melton Highway today - possibly soil samples before announcing the start of works soon? Makes sense to get that one and Calder Park Drive done soon as the use of the Calder Park stabling increases.
...Except that Calder park drive is not listed as the 50 to be removed, knowing how stupid the goverments are, Melton highway wont be done untill its last on the list, along with Bell street in both locations and Aviation road in Laverton. The soil samples are just to look like they are starting work.
A hat with a toucan 2:ele
Yes and no. If they are taking soil samples and surveying infrastructure, all it really means is that they are building information about the sites for future use. Saves time later. I've noticed that quite an amount of station platforms and areas around stations have been plastered with location marks indicating communications and electrical cables. Another site is at Cheltenham were a carpark is being closed this week for the same reason - geotechnical and soil investigations for the proposed Charman Road removal.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
They do actually seem to be wanting to do them all in the most efficient way - they're packaging level crossings, and when they can do adjacent ones together, that seems to be the preferred option. Even if Calder Park Drive isn't on the list, it may very well be done, especially if construction work is being mobilized in the area.

I'm assuming the Melton Hwy will be done as road under, much like King's Road and Taylors Road. Is there any possibility that the soil excavated from underneath the Melton Hwy would be suitable for building up the approaches for a road over at Calder Park Drive?
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
The Premier has just announced that work will start on a further 8 Frankston line crossings this term.  These will be completed under a similar works package like the Dandenong line crossings.  Geotechnical investigations will be happening along the line for the rest of this year with major work to start this year.  The North Rd / McKinnon Rd / Centre Rd removals project is currently underway along this line.

http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/work-on-eight-more-frankston-line-crossings-to-start-this-term
  STAchoochoo Beginner

Only 1 level crossing remaining between Ringwood and Belgrave? I have it as 3 still remaining after the Mountain Hwy and Scoresby Rd crossings are removed

Also, that level removal will leave only one level crossing with a road between Ringwood and Belgrave.
Myrtone
  historian Deputy Commissioner

On the Frankston line...

The McKinnon subway was closed on Monday 9th November. It's being reused as a cable tunnel. Large industrial sized cable trays have been mounted on the walls of the subway. A cable trough has been provided in the 6 foot between the Up and Centre lines through McKinnon. I'd suspect the signalling cables need to be rerouted (As an aside, the signalling cables on the triplicated section are buried.)

A major shut of North Road will occur this weekend - the westbound lane on Friday, and the whole road on Sat/Sun. A second shut will occur next weekend, and include a rail shut. For some strange reason, the brand new pedestrian crossing just east of the level crossing has been barricaded off.

The two piling plants north and south of Ormond have been seen to be in operation.

Friday will be the last day of Express trains until grade separation, with the new timetable coming in on Monday 16th.

Metro gave a gold medal performance on how *not* to communicate changes. They produced a poster timetable, placed at all stations, that only showed the *altered* trains and completely left off the services that weren't altered. Even some hosts were convinced the new timetable would be a service cut of over 50%. The posters were put up, taken down, and have just reappeared again. The official response, apparently, is that commuters should memorise the poster, go to a different part of the station, look at the wall timetables for the remaining trains, and mentally combine the two (taking care to ignore the expresses, and the four stopping trains that won't be running but which aren't mentioned on the posters). Presumably it's all too hard to produce a poster that actually shows the trains that are running.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Well I agree those poster aren't the best displays of information, presumably most passengers now use the online journey planner or app to check the schedules of their trips which are dynamic enough to display the correct services. I'd assume those who need hard copy timetables are now in the minority, though it doesn't excuse the poor information, especially if it is being miscommunicated to staff as a result.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Well I agree those poster aren't the best displays of information, presumably most passengers now use the online journey planner or app to check the schedules of their trips which are dynamic enough to display the correct services. I'd assume those who need hard copy timetables are now in the minority, though it doesn't excuse the poor information, especially if it is being miscommunicated to staff as a result.
TOQ-1

This may be exactly the assumption that the person at Metro made before producing such an epic communication fail. I wouldn't make any such assumption.

I can assure you that there were plenty of unhappy commuters at my station on Monday. I would suspect that for most the first they knew about the change was being confronted with the poster at their local station.

I had actually looked at the full timetable on the PTV website on Sunday night and so I knew there were more services, but I was still left wondering which was the correct timetable at the station on Monday morning.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Burke Rd update:

I travelled through the area this morning and was impressed with the scale and speed of the works.  From what I observed:

- Work has started on the car underpass of the railway to provide access from Carroll Cres to the new carpark which will be built where the railway & station currently are now.

- The cutting is very advanced.  They have broken through under Burke Rd and are now starting to dig out the Eastern side of Burke Rd.

- Many new foundations for overhead stanchions have been constructed.

- Gardiner Station is well-advanced in construction.  The basic form of the station is now in place, lift shafts have now been installed, and I believe the platforms below are being constructed.

- Large stacks of concrete sleepers have been delivered and are now onsite to the west of the construction area. New rail has been left in the corridor on either side of the construction zones.

- Signalling works are taking place up and down the corridor from Glen Iris to Kooyong - I spotted LXRA crews at Kooyong working in large holes and trenches at Kooyong this morning.

- Everything is obviously gearing up for the January shutdown and I expect that given the pace of the works, it will be a very intense period of construction. In one of my brief chats to workers at the site, they fully expect things to run on time then many of the crews will be shifted to the North Rd - Centre Rd crossing removals.

PS. Regarding the North Rd project, some pictures are now up on VicSig showing the severing of the third line at North Rd - the rails through North Rd have been lifted at this location in preparation for further piling works.
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
If the pedestrian crossing were closed, then railway tresspassing would most certainly increase, and it's a super serious offence, much like joking about bombs on planes, and possibly ships.
I been along the Upfield line many times and have hardly seen any railway tresspassing there, maybe there needs to be better fencing. Just drop the whole section of track, even if done in stages that may be some time apart. Not just one but at least two new bridges over the new cutting.
Myrtone
Further down the line the construction zone adjacent to Ginifrt station has been established , it covers the entire area on the western side of the line between the station and Furlong Rd .This removes the "unofficial " overflow parking zone that has accommodated over 100 cars for over a year now . Some of these are commuters and some , I suspect are staff from the rapidly enlarging Sunshine Hospital which is nearby but charges staff & visitors to park in the assigned car parks .
Unfortunately it still seems that the car parks for the new station are planned to be on the eastern side of the line due to space constraints . This will handicap many people as currently most users park on the western side of the line and in fact this is the direction from which most users appear to come from .. This is perhaps unavoidable but is unfortunate .
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
If the pedestrian crossing were closed, then railway tresspassing would most certainly increase, and it's a super serious offence, much like joking about bombs on planes, and possibly ships.
I been along the Upfield line many times and have hardly seen any railway tresspassing there, maybe there needs to be better fencing. Just drop the whole section of track, even if done in stages that may be some time apart. Not just one but at least two new bridges over the new cutting.
Further down the line the construction zone adjacent to Ginifrt station has been established , it covers the entire area on the western side of the line between the station and Furlong Rd .This removes the "unofficial " overflow parking zone that has accommodated over 100 cars for over a year now . Some of these are commuters and some , I suspect are staff from the rapidly enlarging Sunshine Hospital which is nearby but charges staff & visitors to park in the assigned car parks .
Unfortunately it still seems that the car parks for the new station are planned to be on the eastern side of the line due to space constraints . This will handicap many people as currently most users park on the western side of the line and in fact this is the direction from which most users appear to come from .. This is perhaps unavoidable but is unfortunate .
Crossover
Sorry I meant GINIFER not GINIFRT station !
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Frankston line update...

North Road was shut for piling works last weekend, however train services continued to run. The westbound lane was shut Friday pm and both lanes on Saturday and Sunday. Curiously, the road traffic in the area was far worse on Sunday with lengthy queues forming at McKinnon Rd.

The major work at North Road was driving a series of pile on the east side of the line to support the future bridge deck. This gave me the first opportunity to watch the new 'silent' piling in operation. The 'piling' machine is a massive drilling rig - the Liebherr LB28. I found it interesting just how popular the drilling rig was - lots of locals stopped and took photos using their mobiles.

It appears that they are using a piling system known as 'Continuous Flight Auger' or CFA. In this approach an auger the full height of the completed pile is used. After the auger has dug down the full height of the pile, it is pulled out. Concrete is pumped down the hollow centre of the auger as it is removed. The concrete prevents the hole from collapsing, and forms the bulk of the pile. Once the auger is removed the steel reinforcing is lowered into the liquid cement to complete the pile. This technique is apparently not only fast, but very suitable for saturated soils. It is also very quiet. The soil from the piling appears to have been stacked in the former McKinnon car park.

In addition to the piling on the eastern side of the line, the Up line was removed through the North Road crossing and a pit excavated underneath. It's not clear why, but it probably has to do with removal of the services. The pit has been filled in, but the Up line has not been reinstated. A further large pit was excavated in Katandra Rd to relocate services.

A further massive work session at North Road is planned for this coming weekend - presumably this will be the western abutment of the bridge. It will involve closure of both rail and road.

As expected removal of the express trains has allowed one of the three tracks. However, not as I expected. Instead the Up line has been taken out of use and, as from 14 November all trains are using the Down and Centre Lines. This will continue until the 10 December. On the following day, the Down line will be taken out of use and all trains will use the Up and Centre Lines. This will continue until late 2016.

At McKinnon both car parks are now completely closed (the western one until 24 November, the eastern one until late 2016 (or permanently)). The ramps and stairs for the now closed subway are to be removed between 15 November and mid December. Access to Platform 3 will be by the former car park - the sign suggests allowing an extra 5 minutes walking time Smile

Taking out of service of the Up line appears to have altered the timetable of the late afternoon Up steel train. Formerly it ran about 5.30 pm and was refuged at Caulfield in the Through Siding. This is inaccessible now, and today the steel train ran through about 6. Presumably it was not refuged at Caulfield and through.
  topher1976 Train Controller

Location: Mill Park, Vic
Myrtone, why are you foaming about the pedestrian crossing?? FYI, it would be HUGELY expensive and cause huge disruptions sinking the entire line between Furlong and Main Roads.  A good example is the Mernda rail extension.  It is going to be around 10km, and chances are most of it will be in a cutting, and it is likely to cost around the $700m mark.  So work out how much it could potentially add to the grade separations doing that! Maybe around the $100m mark.  Way too much just for a bloody pedestrian crossing!

Anyone have any ideas how they may do Reservoirs crossing?  That is going to be a pain to be done (and likely to do both BEL and RES crossings at same time I would think), as there is not a huge amount of room between High St/Spring St/Cheddar Rd.  Will cause huge disruptions though!
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
Sorry I meant GINIFER not GINIFRT station !
Crossover
You do realise you can edit your post to correct it, don't you?

Dave
  A hat with a toucan 2:ele Junior Train Controller

Myrtone, why are you foaming about the pedestrian crossing?? FYI, it would be HUGELY expensive and cause huge disruptions sinking the entire line between Furlong and Main Roads.  A good example is the Mernda rail extension.  It is going to be around 10km, and chances are most of it will be in a cutting, and it is likely to cost around the $700m mark.  So work out how much it could potentially add to the grade separations doing that! Maybe around the $100m mark.  Way too much just for a bloody pedestrian crossing!

Anyone have any ideas how they may do Reservoirs crossing?  That is going to be a pain to be done (and likely to do both BEL and RES crossings at same time I would think), as there is not a huge amount of room between High St/Spring St/Cheddar Rd.  Will cause huge disruptions though!
topher1976
Mernda was originally going to be more expensive because of a plan involving Duplicating Yan Yean road.
I dont care how they remove High streets level crossing, it needs to be done.
Does anyone know how far they have gotten with the Dandy corridor level crossings?

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