Derailment at Ouyen

 
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I am given to understand that there was yet another derailment near Ouyen earlier this week which does not seem to have been reported. A grain train I believe.

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  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
ATSB doesn't have it yet either.  Just the 9 November event so far.  It did take a while for the recent SCT derailment to appear on their site though.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Well at least there will be 200 metres of improvements done to the line...Rolling Eyes

Police estimated about 200 metres of railway track had been torn up as the train came to a halt through the crossing.

Mike.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I wonder how many of these incidents are not investigated by those supposed to do so. There appears this Ouyen derailment and also the Aurizon one out Dimboola way the other day that do not appear to be listed anywhere.
There was also a steel train derailment quite a while ago that I cannot find a record/report for.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Maybe the fact that this line and standard of track being treated like a joke, is the reason why clearly nobody cares. Do, and should we accept this was bound to happen, and no surprise that it did. The actual surprise is users of the line (PN) continuing to accept the standard it is by operating on it.
Be interested in knowing what standard various sections are, and what inspection frequency (if any) determines how and what use it is capable of sustaining. Surely a previous derailment at Dimboola recently should have warranted a check, particularly in light of the recent hot weather.

Or not???

Regards

Oh, and edit. Mike, 200m probably won't be improved if a nearby yard (like Dimboola ) can be raided for the track ....
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
A local was waiting at the crossing in his ute when the wagons began to stray off the track - he said he threw his ute into reverse without looking because they headed right for him. There's a picture on this ABC report showing the wagons bowled over the crossing signals - if I was that gentleman I would go out and buy a lotto ticket!
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Be interested in knowing what standard various sections are, and what inspection frequency (if any) determines how and what use it is capable of sustaining. Surely a previous derailment at Dimboola recently should have warranted a check, particularly in light of the recent hot weather.

Or not???
davesvline
Certainly.

The Dimboola one involved a line which carries passenger trains, and so should be a high priority. The Ouyen one involved an innocent bystander having to take evasive action.

Both are much more worthy of an ATSB investigation than a Rio Tinto train derailing somewhere in Outer Nowheristan. Let's hope it's simply a case of the person at ATSB who updates the website being on annual leave.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Anyone have a status update is the line open ?
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
http://atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2016/rair/ro-2015-029.aspx

In response to posts upthread, note that two recent entries in the rail occurrence sequence are yet to be populated.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Certainly.

The Dimboola one involved a line which carries passenger trains, and so should be a high priority. The Ouyen one involved an innocent bystander having to take evasive action.

Both are much more worthy of an ATSB investigation than a Rio Tinto train derailing somewhere in Outer Nowheristan. Let's hope it's simply a case of the person at ATSB who updates the website being on annual leave.
justapassenger
I think you're underestimating the significance of the ATSB investigating that Rio Tinto derailment. To the best of my knowledge, there has never been an independent investigation into any of Rio's (nor BHP's, FMG's or Roy Hill's) incidents.

That such a thing has happened now the Pilbara miners have to operate under the ONRSR rather than WA's ORS will hopefully shed a little more light onto serious incidents that would otherwise be kept in-house.
  Highrailer Assistant Commissioner

Location: Somewhere out on the track......anywhere around the country
So much speculation on the Ouyen derailment among members on here but that's all it is......SPECULATION.
It seems easy to blame every single thing on the track doesn't it but that section of track has had a recent overhaul so keep in mind that other factors may have caused it just like what happened on the Wadonga bypass for example.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I am pleased to see that the ATSB website has been updated to note that the Victorian government will be investigating the Ouyen crash. I'm also pleased to see that the ATSB will have an eye on the Victorian investigation, keeping in mind that the operator of the infrastructure is another agency of the same government department and therefore closer to incestuous than independent.

The continued lack of any action on the Dimboola derailment is even more concerning now that details of the more recent Ouyen crash have been added to the website. I wonder what would be revealed if the ATSB was compelled to release the correspondence and documents relating to this decision in a FOI disclosure?

Certainly.

The Dimboola one involved a line which carries passenger trains, and so should be a high priority. The Ouyen one involved an innocent bystander having to take evasive action.

Both are much more worthy of an ATSB investigation than a Rio Tinto train derailing somewhere in Outer Nowheristan. Let's hope it's simply a case of the person at ATSB who updates the website being on annual leave.
I think you're underestimating the significance of the ATSB investigating that Rio Tinto derailment. To the best of my knowledge, there has never been an independent investigation into any of Rio's (nor BHP's, FMG's or Roy Hill's) incidents.

That such a thing has happened now the Pilbara miners have to operate under the ONRSR rather than WA's ORS will hopefully shed a little more light onto serious incidents that would otherwise be kept in-house.
KRviator
The potential historic significance of an investigation is not - and never should be - included among the ATSB's publicly listed criteria for deciding whether or not there should be an ATSB investigation into an incident.

I have no problem with the Rio Tinto derailment having an ATSB investigation, or even a wider investigation into the safety record of the Pilbara lines if your inference that the WA regulator was giving them a free ride has merit. However, that should not be going ahead at the expense of other investigations of higher priority.

Long term, it may be worth considering the development of a protocol for ATSB to review and ratify in-house investigations of minor incidents, as a middle ground between conducting full investigations and letting them go completely. A derailment on the Defined Interstate Rail Network should never be considered a minor incident though.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
There is also the chance PN having run down the Victorian business are just not maintaining wagons so this could also be considered.

Will PN have much business left in Victoria ?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
There is also the chance PN having run down the Victorian business are just not maintaining wagons so this could also be considered.

freightgate
PN may well run down specific businesses but they are above running down wagon maintenance. The condition of a wagon is too easily identified for this.

PN and others may well be maximising the life of everything as they should (last turn wheels etc) but dodgy wheel profiles, flanges etc are too easily identified both before and after an incident.

It is a different matter when it comes to less easily identified sleeper and other track conditions especially after a derailment.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Not knowing the area well what speed should the train have been doing at derailment as the wagons are reported as being upright.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
A grain train on the same line the next day was doing 38 km/h.
Usual speed is less than 80 kmh on open line and was reduced further due to the heat that day.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Both derailments on ATSB now:

http://www.atsb.gov.au/map.aspx - zoom into the Ouyen area.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
That ATSB website shows two investigations into two different derailments at Ouyen - one on 9/11/2015 and another on 29/12/2015. Wasn't aware of the earlier one -

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