Photos! ixion Models' HO low-frame 32 Class

 
  Ixion Models Station Master

Hi friends,
Tonight, I have uploaded photos of the first engineering prototype (EP) of the Ixion Models HO scale low-frame NSWGR C32 4-6-0. As we did with the CAD drawings, we are seeking your advice as to whether we made any obvious errors.

We are aware of quite a few, and these are listed in the captions to the photos. PLEASE read them before leaping to the keyboard to point out things like the cab fall plate. We would really appreciate, your advice, comments and feedback. We hope one of the things that separates us from other RTR manufacturers worldwide is that we show you the whole process, and truly value your input into making the best locos we can.

The photos can be found at http://www.ixionmodels.blogspot.com.au. Feedback reaches us fastest via info@ixionmodels.com.

Hope to hear from people soon,


Lindsay O'Reilly
Ixion Model Railways Ltd.

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  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
From an uneducated pleb like myself, they look fantastic!
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


A few blog updates recently at http://ixionmodels.blogspot.com.au/ including this painted sample posted today.
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
More Painted samples have arrived

http://ixionmodels.blogspot.com.au/2016/01/first-decoration-samples-received.html

Regards,

Catchpoint
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


http://ixionmodels.blogspot.com.au/ - nice!
  SA_trains Deputy Commissioner

Location: ACT
As a side statement in the Shrike thread, Ixion announced that they had authorised production and expect the C32 to arrive around the end of April through mid May. There was no comment on six-wheel tenders.
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
With all the garbage being posted about Ixion taking on the Shrike 30T, it would be nice to see a little more about this 32 class project.

Since the 30T and 32 were supposed to be sharing tenders, can Ixion (or anybody else) comment on whether the six wheeled tender’s rolling qualities have been improved over the Shrike samples?
NSWRcars

Agree NSWRcars,

It would be good to get an update on this, given the "tender sharing arrangement" you have noted and:

Previous poorly produced video that was uploaded to farcebook of trials of the Shrike 30T (unpainted) engineering sample, not going so well up grades due to lack of weight in the loco

and

Previous comments re: that the 30T 6 wheeled tender not being able to "pull the skin of custard" in regards to its rolling capabilities.

and

Recent comments from Austrains about the provision of weight in their now confirmed 30 and 30T models

Does anybody know what the 32 class boiler is going made out of?

Ixion Blog photos from EP model dated 01 July 2015 appear that it is plastic?

but earlier photos on the Ixion blog dated 17 April 2015 shows metal where the dome is to be fitted

So is it plastic filled with metal?

Is it to be straight plastic or straight metal? We have seen the 32 class painted samples, but how do they run?

Apologies in advance if this is already known, but please remind us.

Regards,

Catchpoint
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted on the wrong thread, here's an update on the 32.....


Ixion Models Station Master

Ixion C32 Presales now closedTonight we closed the pre-sale offer on the 32 Class. This has been available for a year, so if you delayed - I'm sorry, you have now missed out on the special pre-sale price of $545.00, inclusive of post and packing..
Our website is in the process of being revamped and rebuilt. No online, postal or telephone sales will be available until this process is complete. When they resume, as advertised for the last 12 months, the price will be $595.00, plus $20 P&P if postage is required.

To secure a particular loco, the best way now is to place a firm order with a retailer who is an Ixion stockist. If your nearest model shop does not carry Ixion Models, contact Barnes Hobbies in New Lambton, NSW - details at http://www.barneshobbies.com.au/ .


Thanks for your support, everyone who pre-purchased, including the thirty new customers in the last week. Those sales, and the faith they express in Ixion as a company, go a long way to salving the wounds copped in the last few weeks since we announced the acquisition of the C30T.

Best wishes to all,
Lindsay O'Reilly,
Ixion Model Railways Australia Pty Ltd.
  Ixion Models Station Master

Dear all,
Sorry for not updating this thread. Having an Ixion blog, and a website, and a Facebook page, and the 30T thread, and a life, meant this just got forgotten. To respond to a few of the queries above ( but only briefly, as I am caring for my wife post-surgery):

The comments about the rolling capacities of the 6-wheel tender were made by people who'd never seen it, and claimed that tender electrical pickups would prevent it rolling. They don't.

As Ixion now has the rights to the 30T and its tender, as well as our own 32 Class and the 3650 gallon bogie tender, there is no impediment to the production of either loco. We have paid the bill for the production run of the 32, and this is now under way. Production takes two months. Phil Badger will go to the factory to supervise the finished locos coming off the line as quality assurance, as he has done for other recent Ixion locos. We expect the shipment in early May, after the production run finishes in April.

The 30T will follow the 32 immediately that we have sufficient revenue from 32 Class sales.

The 32 and 30T both have cast metal chassis, and plastic boilers with strategically placed weight. Both will pull a prototypical load, and that is always our plan in the design process. I do not know why anyone would require a 32 to pull an unrealistic load; modelling for us is about scaling down reality. A heavy model loco is not always a good puller, as most modellers can attest. It's where the weight is in relation to the drivers.

The livery samples of the 32 run smoothly and quietly, and some tweaks ordered for the production run will improve it again.

We have altered the packaging to better protect the loco and tender, as there are many fine, easily damaged details in plastic and etched brass fitted. The box will now be almost square in shape, with the loco and tender each in separately foam-cradled plastic wraparound blisters.

As I will be restricted in my ability to update this thread, please just use everybody's best friend Google to find our Ixion blog or Facebook page, where any further news will be posted.

Thanks for your interest in our models. I will not be checking this thread regularly again, but folk like David Head do us a tremendous favour by reposting our news from elsewhere,here. Thanks, David; you're a champ.

Lindsay O'Reilly,
Ixion Models.
  carpocarpo5 Locomotive Fireman

Well, having paid my money I for one am eagerly yet patiently awaiting my 32 class!
I was wondering if the manufacturers  or any other knowledgeable souls out there could recommend a dcc sound decoder for the wee beastie? I hope to have something suitable sitting on the bench when she arrives.
Cheers,
Carpo.
  Lambing Flat Chief Train Controller

Location: My preference....... Central West NSW, circa 1955....
Well, having paid my money I for one am eagerly yet patiently awaiting my 32 class!
I was wondering if the manufacturers  or any other knowledgeable souls out there could recommend a dcc sound decoder for the wee beastie? I hope to have something suitable sitting on the bench when she arrives.
Cheers,
Carpo.
carpocarpo5
I'll be putting an Econami in mine when it arrives.
  standard gauge Station Master

Looks like there will be some 32s available at Epping including 3265 in maroon

$595.00


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  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Looks like there will be some 32s available at Epping including 3265 in maroon

$595.00


https://www.facebook.com › ixionmodels




standard gauge
If so, I guess Lindsay O'Rielly will finally get to see how well they are received. They certainly look like a sweet locomotive to this Victorian.
I am building a border station resembling Albury and I could find a place for one, if only I could stop buying Victorian engines Wink
Have to see how my wallet goes this year.
Congratulations Ixion, the rest must be pretty close if you could bring some in by air?
Cheers
Rod Young
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Looks like there will be some 32s available at Epping including 3265 in maroon

$595.00


https://www.facebook.com › ixionmodels




standard gauge
That's an improvement - the email I received from Ixion specifically excluded 3265, which is the last version to be assembled.  Of course with the additional delay, they might not make it through customs!

Happy P'ing,

John
  Hunter3265 Station Staff

Location: Armidale
G'day all first post!

I was at the Epping show this morning looking at the models in the showcase. As someone who worked on the things for 10 years I am disappointed that the headlight dome and exhaust stack are incorrect. The headlight isn't on the right mount and is coloured in white paint; the exhaust stack is somewhat a 3 piece assembly and doesn't have the right shape. The the dome is horrible! How come it has such an over scale join at the bottom to the boiler? It's too big and the size is too big.

For the tender they could have done away with that horrible overscale plastic ladder TOR had but it has been copied on this one.

What is pleasing but is that they have corrected the awfully flat roof that was on the TOR version but did not take the opportunity to make it better than theirs overall. Which I am disappointed about especially when the AMRM review was correct and listed them all so it looks like people never paid attention to it.

Does someone have one that has been tested running on standard DC? It was on Goulburn but didn't have much of a load (6 4 wheelers) so any other realistic test is good. I'm a bit apprehensive about buying one at the moment any might stick with my DJH one

Have a good day!
Tom. Smile
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Gosh Tom,
are you about to submit a resume to join the AMRM team?  I don't think they need a head kicker at this time, particularly after the back lash caused by the Trainorama 32 fiasco.

Although I have been known to go off on occasion, I think you, too, should have thought it out a little more.
Trainorama never ever recovered from the original bad publicity given their C32.
Ixion a start up Company need to get their model out there or they might bust. It would not take much to discredit them, and anyway who the hell are you to anonymously be the one to do it.
Sadly some people let others do the thinking for them.
I trust everybody out there will consider their own opinions. If their are a few things wrong, does this make it any less a model worth having? People are buying the latest Eureka 50 with lots of errors, only no body is talking about them.
I might go as far to say this is a set up favouring other importers, and should be ignored.
People pick the model up and make your own mind up.
If you trust posts like this I can send you to a YouTube site that tells the world will end in September 2012 no updated to 2013, no updated to 2016! Planet X is coming
Cheers
Rod Young
Shrike customers should especially reject such posts as they will be affected as well.
Hunter3265
JoinedJun 13, 2016Last loginMon Jun 13, 2016 11:42 amLocationArmidale
  3333 Station Staff

Hi

I have purchased 2 of the Ixion 32's, have tested them on DC and they are quite smooth runners albeit a bit quick off the mark hopefully rectified with DCC.  I also have a Trainorama and a DJH 32 but did not compare them as I had to go overseas today, will test the Ixions with a load before converting to DCC  and provide some photos for comparison when I return, hopefully in a couple weeks.

Regards

Paul
  Hunter3265 Station Staff

Location: Armidale
G'day Rod

Thanks for your thoughts mate.

No I am not associated with the AMRM or any manufacturer. hard when you're in Armidale! Away from the action in the cities.

Your post is exactly what I dislike in this hobby. The attitude of all manufacturers seems to be that if it's okay and presentable then just sell it. Ixion can be new but that isn't an excuse to make a range of errors especially when the TOR32 and it's well covered errors are so well known. It will have been so good if they were fixed 8 years later but we are still seeing the same obvious mistakes. This is not just Ixion but all manufacturers. I can go all day about the 50 class.

This is constructive criticism that isn't designed to put someone out of business. Only Auscision Models takes onboard criticism and makes their product better it seems. Everyone should have a more open approach so that it can be minimised. I am after all spending $600 on a loco that should be well researched yet it has some glaring mistakes.

Warm regards
Tom Smile
  Hunter3265 Station Staff

Location: Armidale
G'day Paul

That will be most helpful, thank you.

Have a great overseas trip
Tom Smile
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
G'day Rod

Thanks for your thoughts mate.

No I am not associated with the AMRM or any manufacturer. hard when you're in Armidale! Away from the action in the cities.

Your post is exactly what I dislike in this hobby. The attitude of all manufacturers seems to be that if it's okay and presentable then just sell it. Ixion can be new but that isn't an excuse to make a range of errors especially when the TOR32 and it's well covered errors are so well known. It will have been so good if they were fixed 8 years later but we are still seeing the same obvious mistakes. This is not just Ixion but all manufacturers. I can go all day about the 50 class.

This is constructive criticism that isn't designed to put someone out of business. Only Auscision Models takes onboard criticism and makes their product better it seems. Everyone should have a more open approach so that it can be minimised. I am after all spending $600 on a loco that should be well researched yet it has some glaring mistakes.

Warm regards
Tom Smile
Hunter3265
Tom constructive criticism was asked for by Stuart O'Rielly for Ixion when he posted a comprehensive set of 3D drawings. Why did you not tell them what was wrong then?
At least 30 pictures have been published, both in grey and decorated over 18 months by Ixion? Where were you then?
Now your comments are only destructive, and have no real value, other than to  damage Ixion.
You don't even criticize under your own name?  
So your posts are discredited straight away.
As its too late to change the model, you could have done more good if you waited 12 months and then if the model failed, you could have written a really good article here or for the magazine, explaining where manufactures went wrong.
That would be far better. At least Ixion might have the chance of improving their next model?
Actually the ex Shrike 30T appears to be ready to produce, so the next model is a done deal, should they sell enough 32 engines. But the 30 Tank is a possibility. Hope you are in touch lending your expertise at a time where it can be of some value?

That's what I hate What happened to "far go, mate" ?
Rod Young
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
We all have to step back and consider that people will not trust one poster's assessment of any model, unless they state their identity and expert credentials.  What we do have is  that everyone have their own opinion and can state it. It's up to the readers to decide on the issue.

We do not know the reason many post, or why they might not have commented earlier etc.

The old as time question - is it wrong, how  does one know it's wrong, and is it wrong, or just  different. And who do you trust with information on such matters.

We can read a recent post as one person's opinion on a model. This may help some, annoy others. But it will not bring down  the company....

Let's leave it at that and hope to hear what customers say about the real deal...

Regards,
David Head
  a6et Minister for Railways

We all have to step back and consider that people will not trust one poster's assessment of any model, unless they state their identity and expert credentials.  What we do have is  that everyone have their own opinion and can state it. It's up to the readers to decide on the issue.

We do not know the reason many post, or why they might not have commented earlier etc.

The old as time question - is it wrong, how  does one know it's wrong, and is it wrong, or just  different. And who do you trust with information on such matters.

We can read a recent post as one person's opinion on a model. This may help some, annoy others. But it will not bring down  the company....

Let's leave it at that and hope to hear what customers say about the real deal...

Regards,
David Head
dthead
David & others.  There were errors with the TOR 32cl but not as many as has been blown up over the years. Interestingly the so called flat roof, did actually appear on a couple of them primarily though as a result of damage & depot repairs.

As for the Ixion model. I actually supplied some photo's to the Ixion people & pointed out some aspects for them to be included in the model, were they? No.

I would have liked to get one of them but after looking over the models both on the Ixion blog & then at the brickpit I was a bit wavering, I was then provided with a photo of one of the models & it made me cringe. One stand out is the water delivery pipes to the clack valve, that would be fine for restored 3265 as the pipe was shortened to provide a totally different angled flow to the clack valve.  For any other P class either low or high frame it is wrong, totally wrong.  The funnel defies description, as it seems to be molded in 3 pieces yet they are not compressed enough, I would assume based on the photo I have, if the funnel was squeezed down to eliminate the gaps, it would make it too short,  The headlight base plate fixture is another imagination, as they had 4 legs that secured the headlight to the top of the smokebox.  I would dare to say the dome has the worst base on it that I have seen come out from any manufacturer.

I could go on but, will not.  The sorrow to me is that it seems that since the Eureka Garratt came out with its few errors, & omissions it has been a slide downhill for RTR steam models, in fact for the so called error riddled TOR 32cl it sits very high in regard to an overall errors when compared to the most recent 2 NSWGR steam locomotives that have arrived.  I am at a complete loss as to where the imagination or fantasy decisions have come from regarding how some areas are modeled.

I honestly do not know who are involved in research as well as checking the models before agreeing to having them produced.  I guess as I was once told the knowledge or knowing of the various steam loco's I worked on over a 11 year period is a curse, that included regular steam working as well as on vintage & tour operations.

Finally, it gives me no pleasure to point out the errors in the models as I have done, it just saddens me to actually see them, especially the number of them.
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
My two cents;

I picked up 3265 over the weekend, upon getting home and opening it I was, and still am, very very happy with it.

I've taken a photo of it and compared it to one I took of the real thing at Thirlmere and I'm struggling to find the glaring errors mentioned above, with the exception of the thicker lip below the funnel, which doesn't bother me.

So after that exercise, I feel even better about my choice to purchase it. Maybe I'm just easy to please.

Each to their own; it's been said a thousand times on these forums (and will be said many thousands more) that if you don't like it, don't buy it.

That said, I'll let everyone with the wise words of Peter Griffin:
"Well sir, I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

Happy modelling,
-Mitch
  Ixion Models Station Master

Hi all,
Thanks for the feedback - please keep it coming.
I'd join Rod in being disappointed that people are bagging "errors" in our 32 Class, when we tried so hard (as mentioned above) to put the drawings out there to get every possible bit of feedback on whether they were accurate, before any metal was cut for the tooling.

Just to respond to a couple of comments; I have covered the chimney before. The join is visible because (as seen in the photos of the unpainted models), despite our conversations with the factory, they insisted on splitting to tooling on the horizontal centre line of the boiler. Thus the funnel is a brass turning fitted into the plastic mould ding, so the join is inevitable with that method. If you haven't ever dealt with a Chinese factory, I'd invite you to cut all Aussie manufacturers some slack, especially on steam engines. It is incredibly difficult to get some engineering concepts across that language barrier. If you believe you can make the perfect model, please, stump up $200,000 and have a go! We did, and it's lots of fun, but some things just don't cross that communication barrier.

The headlight is the classic example; Phil Badger spent a full half hour actually AT the factory explaining what 'translucent' means. We asked for a translucent (clear, but slightly milky) lens because the headlight is an LED on a green PCB, which looked poor. The white headlight lens is their interpretation of that discussion. It looks fantastic when lit, and running! But so odd when standing still. We first saw it last Friday night when we opened the boxes... And were disappointed. But what's done, is done.

The headlamp bracket could not be robustly moulded to scale in HO; so we accepted the compromise. I'm sorry that others find it such a big issue. For the same reason the front marker lights do not work; to fit optic fibre lights would make them too large, a compromise we rejected.

We were very frustrated by the clack valve piping being to the "preserved curve" profile on all the locos, not just 3265. We knew it should be more of a right angle. When we tried to get it changed, it would have impacted on all the other piping and handrails where they cross, and would have delayed the loco by months, and we would have missed our production slot. Again, we just had to make a compromise decision.

Finally, it hasn't been mentioned, but I regret to advise that the loco is powered by an electric motor. We did try it with real steam, but Health and Safety officials knocked that on the head because of the scalding risk. (That's a joke.)

So...
With a day job to look after, and our website and Facebook page to manage for Ixion, I'm not on Railpage very often, so I probably won't reply to any further comments in any sort of timely fashion. But we do value your observations and comments, so please keep them coming - positive and negative. But, for my mental health, if we got ANYTHING right, Tom, it'd be nice to hear that, too. I'm pretty chuffed with the colour and decoration of 3265 myself, for example, if I can be permitted to blow our own trumpet.
Cheers,
Lindsay O'Reilly
Director, Ixion Model Railways Australia Pty Ltd.
  Ixion Models Station Master

Oops, sorry Tom, it was a6et who I hoped might share anything we had got right. And Mitch, I think you'll find it was Voltaire who was being quoted by Peter Griffin!

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