Ozrail SAR FB flat wagon

 
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

https://www.facebook.com/OzRail-Model-Trains-437968449578455/?fref=ts

On Ozrail facebook page they are doing rtr SAR FB flat wagons .

Due later in the year .

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  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

looking at their face book page

The model will be released without the uprights provided like the photo on their face book page

Which in my book is a half of a model
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
looking at their face book page

The model will be released without the uprights provided like the photo on their face book page

Which in my book is a half of a model
BIG-BEAR
The FB flatcars had holders on the sides for these stanchions to sit in when not upright like in the photo so as long as they are included on the sides then they will sort of be correct. Will have to wait and see though what is or is not on the models.
  allan Chief Commissioner

"Sort of" will be right... These wagons were only rarely seen without at least some stanchions more or less upright - less upright (and more leaning) as the wagons got older!
  Streamliner Junior Train Controller

Location: NSW South Coast
A missed opportunity for sure, considering they're only a 2 pack- not much plastic for the money. Nothing some brass angle can't fix, I'll still get some as I quite liked their last offering.
  ANDL36Y Train Controller

I'm annoyed the stanchions will not me modeled upright. Also, rivet details appears to be lacking on the sample.
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
I'm annoyed the stanchions will not me modeled upright. Also, rivet details appears to be lacking on the sample.
ANDL36Y
Mate, you have a perfect right to be annoyed and to NOT buy one (or more) of those damned models!!!

You just take your bat and ball and go home!!!

Sheesh!! What ever happened to actual "modeling"....you know, the concept of taking a model and adding some extra stuff to it to personalise it to your own tastes???
  Streamliner Junior Train Controller

Location: NSW South Coast
Roachie I wish there was a kit build option these days!
Why pay the Chinese to cut the pieces off the sprue, glue it together and spray it grey?! that's half the fun- one of the reasons I loved the SAR model co. Redhens (even if the bogies are rubbish) Unboxing and plonking on the track is short lived excitement for me, the satisfaction of making lasts awhile longer.
I grew up building Spitfires and 109s as a kid out of a box so It's no big deal to me, but I do appreciate that some don't have the patience or steady hands to build their own.
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller
  MaskedRailfan Train Controller

I was talking to the Ozrail shop owner when the sample first came in. He indicated that the stanchions wouldn't be done upright to save cost. He went on to justify that by saying they were rarely put up in traffic. I'd rather have them as a separately applied item to have the option.
  MaskedRailfan Train Controller

Does anyone do cast wool bale or wheat bag loads for these? BGB did once........
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

Does anyone do cast wool bale or wheat bag loads for these? BGB did once........
"MaskedRailfan"


Wool bale load link below

http://www.endofthelinehobbies.com.au/search-by-brand/strath/display/2674-load-strath-ld4-bailed-wool-load-fits-ow-ww-and-fb-ho


Strath hobbies kits are sold at End of the line hobbies . They do a lot of SAR models and extra's . Check their website


Strath hobbies link below

http://www.endofthelinehobbies.com.au/search-by-brand/strath
  allan Chief Commissioner

Wheat and wool were demonstration loads for FBs. Wool may have been a regular load before the 1950s, but was more usually screwed into M vans after that. The O wagons were naturals for bagged wheat: they didn't carry as much, but were easier to load, unload and to sheet.

It has always seemed to me that the FBs were under-utilised, most often loaded with clumsy but light loads (though loads that may have been beyond the capabilities of the man-breaker cranes provided at minor stations). And, where possible, certainly in SAR days, the stanchions were more or less upright.

As for the kits, the Strath kit has lovely sides, but the rest of the kit is pretty indifferent, while the BGB kit was fair until you tried to attach the stanchions - which is why these models are most often seen with the stanchions in the racks on the sides, or missing altogether.
  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL
Does anyone do cast wool bale or wheat bag loads for these? BGB did once........
MaskedRailfan
Depending on how dirty you want to get your hands, there was a good article in AMRM a couple of years back by Ross Hurley where he used modelling clay or something similar (might even have been blu-tack?) to create the bales and then 'lash' them with thread.  Using a soft material meant the lashing actually dug into the bales and provided a very nice effect.

I'll have to dig around to see if I can find it.
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

I'm annoyed the stanchions will not me modeled upright. Also, rivet details appears to be lacking on the sample.
ANDL36Y
Mate, you have a perfect right to be annoyed and to NOT buy one (or more) of those damned models!!!

You just take your bat and ball and go home!!!

Sheesh!! What ever happened to actual "modeling"....you know, the concept of taking a model and adding some extra stuff to it to personalise it to your own tastes???
"Roachie"


Roachie it is a RTR product . Not to provide the stanchions with the model I think will effect sales .

When you compare the Orient express models standards and price to Ozrail .

Ozrail are behind in standards and for some reasons cost more .

I  might get 2 wagons , If the model was OEM standards and price then I may get  8 wagons.
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
QUOTE: Roachie it is a RTR product . Not to provide the stanchions with the model I think will effect sales .

When you compare the Orient express models standards and price to Ozrail .

Ozrail are behind in standards and for some reasons cost more .

I  might get 2 wagons , If the model was OEM standards and price then I may get  8 wagons.Yes, I do realise it is a RTR product. UNQUOTE

Response:

I must have missed the memo that came out from "somewhere" stating that:

"thou shalt not alter any RTR product by making additions and/or alterations to suit one-self".

Bloody hell...the choice is there for the modeler: (a) buy the model and just accept it as it is....(b) buy the model and alter to suit yourself....or (c) crack the chits and don't buy the model.

There may indeed be other alternatives I haven't thought of, but as I see it those are the 3 main options.

There is NOTHING to be gained by complaining about the lack of some "part" (stanchions in this case). What next? Some dude could complain that there is no "WAY BILL" behind the sprung-loaded clip....or that there is no simulated grease on the axle boxes or buffer shanks.

FFS...get a life and do some "value-adding" if you really MUST have the damned stanchions. A few match sticks or styrene filed to shape should do the trick. Then you can proudly say: "see those stanchions? I made those"

I'm from an era when you couldn't just plonk stuff from a box onto the track. If I wanted a particular item I built the bloody thing myself. I was just admiring some of my crude handiwork from the 70s yesterday. I have one particular train on my layout at the moment which consists of:

Trainorama 4401 + 4429 hauling "my" version of an Australian Army tank train. I have a 3 wagon SDS set of TE flat wagons (with Centurion Tanks), a kit built TE wagon with a cheap European kit built APC and a 40' kit built wagon with another item of army gear, followed by 2 scratch-built BPV (short bogie explosive vans) and a modified Lima coach (I cut it down so it could have open platform ends, but I have no idea what "code" it could possibly be.....it just looks okay to me). At the end I have a high quality Trainorama guards van.

The point is that I'm quite proud of the crude wagons and carriages because they have some of ME in them. When I see that train go by, I admire the high quality detail of the modern models (which I paid BIG $$$$ for), but I also admire the 40+ year old models that I built myself from bits of styrene.

I reckon there are a LOT of people who miss out on a lot of the potential enjoyment of this great hobby because they won't settle for anything less than PERFECT plonka models.

Roachie
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

Roachie you are the perfect grumpy old fart .
  allan Chief Commissioner

http://www.johnnyspages.com/rail_dittys_files/sar_old_engines_and_rollingstock/sar_wagon-4_f8666_flatcar_bagged_seed.jpg

A wheat bag load on johnny's pages
BIG-BEAR
Imagine loading that by hand! Not to mention tying it down, then sheeting it...

The photo is really nice: I suspect that it dates from the 1930s. Note the buffers and transition couplers... and the tractor in the Y wagon at the left. The stanchions have not yet worn loose in their pockets, and are standing dead vertical.
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Roachie you are the perfect grumpy old fart .
BIG-BEAR
Yeah, sorry fellas....not my intention to be a G.O.F., but I do realise that I am one (just ask my family; they have to put up with me a LOT more than you clowns do!!! hahaha)

I hope you see my point though. Rather than bleating on about some lack of detail, take it as an opportunity to actually DO something and you will make yourself feel good and get a lot more enjoyment from the hobby.

I was trying to get the message across that I too am a "plonka" these days, because the quality of the models is excellent and I have got a few bucks to splash around. However, I still occasionally make a kit up or make a scratch-built "load" for a flat wagon etc.....just to keep my satisfaction levels up there.

Today I received a package....2x 3-packs of BEAUTIFUL SDS cattle wagons I bought off a bloke on the 'net. All I did to them was cut off the Kadee "tang" and plonked the 6 of 'em on the track and walked away. They look great and need no "work" to be done by me. My satisfaction level was low, despite the quality.

I dunno, I just can't explain what I mean....so I'll shut the far-cup I s'pose!

Roachie
  allan Chief Commissioner

I dunno, I just can't explain what I mean....so I'll shut the far-cup I s'pose!
Roachie
Nah! Keep the pot stirred!!!
  ANDL36Y Train Controller

I'm annoyed the stanchions will not me modeled upright. Also, rivet details appears to be lacking on the sample.
Mate, you have a perfect right to be annoyed and to NOT buy one (or more) of those damned models!!!

You just take your bat and ball and go home!!!

Sheesh!! What ever happened to actual "modeling"....you know, the concept of taking a model and adding some extra stuff to it to personalise it to your own tastes???
Roachie
Huh? Do I know you? Another internet wizard. You can give it a kiss.



The model is basic at best.



And I am quite willing and more than capable (in that most of my stuff is modified RTR or kits) to buy a model and modify it. But if the two most identifiable features of a known prototype are lacking, it is cause for annoyance. OER wouldn’t have made such choices ‘for cost reasons’.
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
I'm annoyed the stanchions will not me modeled upright. Also, rivet details appears to be lacking on the sample.
Mate, you have a perfect right to be annoyed and to NOT buy one (or more) of those damned models!!!

You just take your bat and ball and go home!!!

Sheesh!! What ever happened to actual "modeling"....you know, the concept of taking a model and adding some extra stuff to it to personalise it to your own tastes???
Huh? Do I know you? Another internet wizard. You can give it a kiss.



The model is basic at best.



And I am quite willing and more than capable (in that most of my stuff is modified RTR or kits) to buy a model and modify it. But if the two most identifiable features of a known prototype are lacking, it is cause for annoyance. OER wouldn’t have made such choices ‘for cost reasons’.
ANDL36Y
Mate, I don't think you do know me....but then how the hell would I know? You are one of the many paranoid types that is scared to put your real name on here. My name is Bill Roach and I live in Kadina SA. I'm an old bastard and I'm not scared that people know who I am, so I wouldn't class myself as "another internet wizard".

As far as the hobby is concerned, if you care to look back through old copies of AMRM you will find that I've been in the hobby for most of my life (I'm now 61) and have written articles in the mag....not that that makes me anything special of course; just making a point that I'm not some namby pamby pimply faced kid hitting the keyboard.

I'm not exactly sure what it is that you'd like me to "give it a kiss"....but if it happens to be any part of your anatomy, I will politely pass on that "pleasure", but thanks for the offer!

Okay, so the model is "basic at best"......don't buy the FAR-KIN thing then....but shut the far-cup!! Like I said, you have the perfect right to NOT buy the model if you don't want to...simple as that.

Cheers,

Bill Roach
  SA_trains Deputy Commissioner

Location: ACT
Perhaps we need perspective on this.... Let me quote a story about the famous Australian cricketer, Keith Miller.

During the Second World War, Keith Miller was a RAAF pilot. In 1945, he hit 185 at Lord's in a game against England. He was asked about the pressure of playing test cricket. His response...

"I'll tell you what pressure is. Pressure is having a Messerschmitt up your ar$e! Cricket is not!"  

(A Messerschmitt was a German fighter aircraft and hence trying to kill him!)

The point of this???? Model Trains is a HOBBY, it is not really that important to get worked up about.  As Roachie has said, buy the model, or not. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

Now, back to my life and death struggle with adding LED marker lights to my Brake Vans.... Incidentally, a ready to run item that I've decided to value add....

Good luck to all....
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

Roachie you are the perfect grumpy old fart .
"BIG-BEAR"


It is very clear that Roachie has added the DRIBBLE phase to his grumpy old fart problem .

He seems to think that Railpage is Roachiepage .

So if people keep thinking different than him he could go onto the next stage .

NAPPY wearing phase .

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