Forrestfield airport link [FAL]

 
  62440 Chief Commissioner

The biggest beneficiaries are the FIFO workers and the cab drivers. The busiest times are 5-6 and 10-11 pm. Try getting a seat in the lounge at 0510. Cabs have to come in droves from 0430 with no chance of an onward fare. Same in the evening, cabs have to run empty to the airport late at night and you can wait an hour in the queue. You need 0400 trains from Freo and Butler, connecting with Mandurah and Armadale. Late at night there is less of an issue.

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  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

  • ​Five Expressions of Interests received for $2 billion Forrestfield-Airport Link
  • Government will now shortlist companies to progress to Request for Proposal
  • Geotechnical studies nearing completion
The State Government has received five strong Expression of Interest (EOI) submissions for the Forrestfield-Airport Link project, marking another important milestone in the $2 billion project.

http://pta.wa.gov.au/Default.aspx?id=1409&tabid=121


They are from:

    Connecting Forrestfield (Lend Lease and Ghella)
    CRCC-BGC-VDM JV (China Railway Construction Corporation, BGC and VDM)
    Forrestfield Connect (Acciona, BAM and Ferrovial Agroman)
    JHL JV (Leighton Contractors and John Holland)
    SI-NRW JV (Salini Impregilo and NRW).

Transport Minister Dean Nalder said it showed a high level of market interest, with the project attracting major international contractors to Perth.

“The strong mix of national and international respondents is a positive development for the project and shows the market has been well engaged, informed and is prepared to bid for this innovative project,” Mr Nalder said.

The Public Transport Authority is evaluating the submissions to determine which respondents will be invited to progress to the Request for Proposal phase.

The shortlisted respondents will be announced in late April, with the contract to be awarded by mid-2016. It will be a single design and construct package including tunnel and civil infrastructure, track, stations and rail systems with signalling, communications and power.

Meanwhile, water and soil quality sampling along the route is almost completed. More than 100 bore holes have been drilled as part of the geotechnical investigations and samples have been taken from 70 monitoring wells.

http://www.forrestfieldairportlink.wa.gov.au/Home/tabid/664/language/en-AU/Default.aspx




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  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

Forrestfield Airport link is getting closer with the introduction of the Forrestfield Airport rail link bill to Parliament for legislation.

http://pta.wa.gov.au/Default.aspx?id=1438&tabid=121

The $2billion Forrestfield-Airport Link is a step closer, with the introduction of enabling legislation to State Parliament.

The Railway (Forrestfield-Airport Link) Bill 2015 will formalise the State Government’s plans and ability to construct the 8.5 kilometre rail spur from the Midland Line out to Forrestfield via Belmont and Perth Airport.

Transport Minister Dean Nalder said the legislation brought the Forrestfield-Airport Link closer to reality.

“The Liberal National Government is pleased to be delivering this important new public transport corridor to the people of Perth,” Mr Nalder said.

The new rail line will run underground for eight kilometres in twin-bored tunnels beneath the Swan River and the airport, a move that will significantly reduce impacts on the local community and the environment.

The Forrestfield-Airport Link will feature three new stations, including a bus-train interchange station at Airport West (Belmont), a second station at Consolidated Airport (near the current international terminal) and a bus-train interchange station on Dundas Road in Forrestfield.

Fact File

  • $2b Forrestfield-Airport Link due for completion in 2020
  • Total parking for up to 3,000 cars at Forrestfield and Airport West stations
  • Project budget includes a $73 million investment in new buses and trains
  • Part of Government’s integrated transport strategy to provide transport choices
  Mouse Chief Train Controller

Location:
The shortlisted respondents will be announced in late April
thewaratahtrain


...and sure enough, right at the eleventh hour:

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/perth-airport-rail-link-firms-short-listed-for-design-construction/story-fnhocxo3-1227329042457

  • John Holland and Leighton Contractors
  • Salini Impregilo and NRW
  • ACCIONA Infrastructure, BAM International and Ferrovial Agroman
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

http://www.pta.wa.gov.au/Default.aspx?id=1545&tabid=121


Forrestfield airport link is now legislation

A major milestone in the development of a rail link from the city to the airport and Perth's eastern suburbs was achieved last night when State Parliament passed enabling legislation for the $2 billion Forrestfield-Airport Link.

The Legislative Council passed the Railway (Forrestfield-Airport Link) Bill 2015, which establishes the State Government's authority to extend the metropolitan rail network 8.5 kilometres to Forrestfield.


Transport Minister Dean Nalder said the construction contract would be awarded next year and the first trains would run on the line in 2020.

"This project won't just open up a new rail corridor to Perth's eastern foothills - it will also provide a direct rail connection to the airport for all West Australians," the Minister said.
  Northmetro Junior Train Controller

There has been some comment in the media that there will be no change to the parking arrangement at stations - no long term parking; you will still only be able to pay for one day's parking at a time, in person at the machine.

It occurs to me that there is a business opportunity here, either for the PTA or a private enterprise. As it costs about $17 a day to park at the airport, if someone was to create some long term car parks at key suburban stations and charge (say) $12 a day, anyone parking at the station to go on holiday or a business trip will be ahead after the first or second day.

And I still think there is a bit of a loophole in this plan. Some people do same day return flights to destinations within the state. What is to stop someone parking at the station on the west side of the station for $2, then catching a train to T1/T2 - instead of $36 at the short term car park! If this is supposed to be a park & ride station for city commuters, the car park may get partially filled by flyers.
  Mouse Chief Train Controller

Location:
We now have a signed contract:

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/perth-airport-rail-link-contract-signed

"Airport West" station has been renamed to Belmont, and "Consolidated Airport" to Airport Central.

Forward works are also underway.
  aliG Beginner

The plan looks good, but Forrestfield Station can only just be called so.  Dundas Road is a long way from most of Forrestfield.  Perhaps they could spend a little more money and put the station near Forrestfield shopping centre.
Kafoopsy
F*kn AAAAAAAAAAAAA.
If tunnelling is so (apparently) cheap...then why not put the station right in the centre of FF?
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Good news about the signed contract and it being run by the government.
  Mouse Chief Train Controller

Location:
Construction has begun.


Work is underway on Perth's $1.96 billion Forrestfield-Airport Link (FAL) following a sod turning ceremony today at the site of the future Forrestfield Station.
...

Preliminary works are underway at the Forrestfield end of the rail line, with relocation of key utilities complete and work set to start on the construction of the 'dive structure' or entry points to the rail tunnels before the end of 2016.
Two tunnel boring machines will arrive from Germany in mid-2017, when drilling is expected to start.
"PTA"


http://www.pta.wa.gov.au/news/media-statements/construction-starts-on-forrestfield-airport-link
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
Hehe, the station is in Forestfield by a whisker.  Its a long way from most of Forestfield.  Perhaps they should drill the tunnel a bit further and have the station at the Forestfield shopping centre.
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
Hehe, the station is in Forestfield by a whisker.  Its a long way from most of Forestfield.  Perhaps they should drill the tunnel a bit further and have the station at the Forestfield shopping centre.
Kafoopsy
Forrestfield is an afterthought, it was going to the airport, Forrestfield is just a grab at a few votes, and your right, stops in the middle of nowhere.
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
You're always in a dilemma with station locations.

Put them in the middle of town, you battle noise complaints, lack of space for parking etc.

Stick it out in the middle of nowhere, it becomes a pain for people to use, and people without a car rely on feeder buses to get to and from the station. Stations that are out of the way also tend to be easier targets for people to do quick smash and grabs in peoples cars.

Just got to try and balance out the best of both worlds.
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
You're always in a dilemma with station locations.

Put them in the middle of town, you battle noise complaints, lack of space for parking etc.

Stick it out in the middle of nowhere, it becomes a pain for people to use, and people without a car rely on feeder buses to get to and from the station. Stations that are out of the way also tend to be easier targets for people to do quick smash and grabs in peoples cars.

Just got to try and balance out the best of both worlds.
steve_w_1990
This is true.  The best way is to put the stations in 50 years ago before any houses are built.  Its a catch 22.  People want better public transport, but aren't willing to allow anything to change to have it put in.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
I wouldn't underestimate the potential of the Forrestfield station to capture a large chunk of users.   the whole Forrestfield, Wattle Grove, Lesmurdie, High Wycombe, Kalamunda area has always been a challenge for servicing by road and public transport links because of the barrier effect created by the airport.   The airport railway slices directly under that and the Forrestfield Station is well located to several very strong north-south as well as eastern road links that will act as feeders providing direct access to the station.

The reduction in travel times from that eastern area into the CBD will be very significant

I think it will be highly successful and is indeed a very smart planning.   The total passenger volumes at the airport may seem at face value very high but there is no real concentration of mass movement to the City.  Something like 95% of all trips to/from the airport are from highly dispersed suburban locations.   I'd contend that without the benefit of the  Forrestfield station/Eastern Suburbs catchment area loading would otherwise be poor.

The great thing is the project is underway.  The way the line connects into the rest of the suburban rail network will create what's called the "network effect" which effectively creates a level of patronage that is higher than just a stand alone railway.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

You're always in a dilemma with station locations.

Put them in the middle of town, you battle noise complaints, lack of space for parking etc.

Stick it out in the middle of nowhere, it becomes a pain for people to use, and people without a car rely on feeder buses to get to and from the station. Stations that are out of the way also tend to be easier targets for people to do quick smash and grabs in peoples cars.

Just got to try and balance out the best of both worlds.
This is true.  The best way is to put the stations in 50 years ago before any houses are built.  Its a catch 22.  People want better public transport, but aren't willing to allow anything to change to have it put in.
Kafoopsy
I always go for the stick it near people option.  You can still run buses, you can have limited park n ride, but people can walk to the stop.  It may be slightly slower and more expensive, but it does its job best.

The ferny grove line in brisbane would have to have possibly the best patronage capture rates for rail in the nation.  It goes all through suburbia, only for 12km, yet rival lines like the ipswich, Gold coast, caboolture in patronage (40, 80 and 50km respectively)

Problem is when tracks need to be shared with freight.  Not many mind being near a passenger only line, but having freights is a bigger problem.
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
throw in the plan of a circle line around Perth metro??works in mature cities
  Mouse Chief Train Controller

Location:
Airport Central station:

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/construction-to-begin-on-perths-airport-rail-line-ng-b88489716z


throw in the plan of a circle line around Perth metro??works in mature cities
jayrail


I believe the longer-term plan is to extend this through to the Thornlie Line (which of course is meant to be extended to Cockburn as part of Metronet.)

Also, regarding the people/carpark tradeoff:

Ms Saffioti said a priority was to integrate the new stations with residential and business development, starting with a rethink of the use of land around Forrestfield sta tion.

The previous government’s plan for the railway station, which is near a freight-marshalling yard, was for 2500 carpark spaces and a bus interchange. Ms Saffioti said she was now keen for a multi-storey carpark with the potential for commercial opportunities such as shops, gyms and childcare centres


https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/perth-rail-expansion-new-line-to-fit-in-with-fifo
  Mouse Chief Train Controller

Location:
Tunnel boring has commenced: http://www.forrestfieldairportlink.wa.gov.au/news-resources/display-article/tunnelling-begins-on-forrestfield-airport-link

Work is also now well underway on earthworks at the Bayswater junction end to support a temporary deviation of the Midland line.
  LL10194 Station Master

Location: Perth
An announcement from the Transport Minister... A station upgrade for Bayswater is moving on, and it is full steam ahead for some community consultation.

http://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au/Pages/McGowan/2018/04/Bayswater-Station-upgrade-out-for-community-consultation.aspx

I’m mentioning this in the slightly old Forrestfield Airport Link thread because it does follow on from the current track work for FAL. Also it does get a mention under FAL in last year’s state budget. “As part of this $1.9 billion project, the Authority will spend $86.2 million to upgrade the Bayswater train station and to improve the surrounding road network.”

I’ll quote part of the media statement:

“Bayswater Station upgrade out for community consultation
Sunday, 8 April 2018

  • First early concept for station upgrade now open for local feedback
  • New station and a raised rail bridge to create more public space
  • Project to include space and capability for Morley-Ellenbrook Line connection

Community consultation for the upgrade of Bayswater Station starts this week with the release of an online survey and local information sessions scheduled soon.

The State Government has released early concept plans for the upgrade of Bayswater Station, which will form a central junction for the future Morley-Ellenbrook and Forrestfield-Airport rail links.

The major project, which has a current allocation of $86.4 million from the last State Budget, is set to start construction next year so it can be completed prior to the opening of the Forrestfield-Airport Link in late 2020.

It will be Bayswater Station's biggest overhaul since it opened in 1896 and is a vital first stage for the McGowan Government's Morley-Ellenbrook Line.

Importantly, the project will also include a turnback siding within the existing rail corridor between Meltham and Bayswater stations that can be used to manoeuvre railcars servicing the Forrestfield-Airport Link and Morley-Ellenbrook Line.

The project is a long overdue opportunity to create a new public space at the heart of the Bayswater town centre, which will be the first glimpse of Perth for the thousands of visitors who will emerge from the airport rail tunnel.

While the design of the precinct will be the subject of extensive consultation starting this week, the early concept shows:
  • The station will be relocated onto a new lifted rail bridge over King William Street, replacing the existing rail bridge;
  • The new platforms will be realigned closer to Whatley Crescent and be expanded to 150 metres to accommodate six-car trains;
  • New public space will be created under and around the future rail bridge, improving connectivity and vibrancy in Bayswater town centre; and
  • Tunnelling has been ruled out due to constraints arising from the design of the Forrestfield-Airport Link.

The station upgrade has not yet popped up on the FAL website, I’m guessing for contractual reasons – if that team get a rather large variation to their contract to do the work, maybe it will appear on its website. Instead the upgrade has popped up as a separate project on the Metronet site. Or has it been there for a while and I just haven’t noticed?

http://www.metronet.wa.gov.au/projects/bayswater

So new elevated platforms bridging over Coode & King William Streets and general realignments to enable the removal of the notoriously low existing bridge - and then a possible new bridge if the line gets quaded. The temporary realignment work does seem to be setting up for that eventuality. There is a heading for Bayswater Station Upgrade Gallery but as of now the gallery is bare.

It could be a good project and is probably overdue, better community links, access, safety etc. Quite possibly should have been bundled with the FAL contract from the start, but maybe easier for the PTA to draw a clear line between areas of future maintenance. I'm also less than happy with the ongoing hints that the Ellenbrook line is going this way.

Does anyone have any info on the progress of the FAL TBMs , or ongoing lack thereof?
  LL10194 Station Master

Location: Perth
Ahh! It seems that while I was tediously two finger typing that last post on the Bayswater Upgrade, bevans added two WA news posts, (thankyou.) The most recent including a vague concept drawing of the elevated station, the Perth Now article does seem to trumpet this as the start of the Ellenbrook line. I’m still hoping that Ellenbrook is really still in preliminary planning and can be delayed to make a better business case for a better route. But McGowan may be politically over-committed already.

Slight detour - bevans also posted a WA news item, again from Perth Now (hey - we need to take what we can get here) that is either about bigging up the Minister Rita Scaffotti or setting her up for a fall. Alannah MacTiernan’ shoes are big to fill I suspect. Yes she inherited a couple of problems, they all do, but she does seem a tad premature in some of her (and sometimes the Premier with her too) media announcements.

And bevans had also earlier posted a WA news article regarding Bill Shorten making an election commitment for the Midland relocation & Bellevue extension. All I can say is, well yes, great, but is the election really that close again already? And Malcolm Turnbull was probably about to throw some cash at it anyway.

I’m veering off topic there again, but I think the Bayswater bit is pertinent to FAL. Anyone here (RP) in the area (Bayswater) that may do the community consultation routine? I know that it has been going on for years.

And regarding the Metronet site, I just went back, it now has a fact-sheet with two of the sketches.
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
This is going to become a very busy line Bayswater to Perth,  any idea of the plans to tackle this, shuttle Ellenbrook - Bayswater change to Perth at Bayswater maybe, Airport line Non-stop Bayswater to Claisebrook, or some sections of 4 track?

Just wondering.
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
Supposedly this Automatic train control in cab signalling that is being designed at the moment is meant to be able to reduce headway between trains even further than what they are currently. If everything runs to time, there shouldn't be any real dramas. Armadale/ Thornlie trains have been running in harmony for years and there is still room to fit the Australind through of a morning and afternoon without any real problems. (other than it sometimes being a bit slow following a C pattern to Perth).
So FAL and Midland services should be able to run under the same sort of arrangement. You may see A, B and P pattern services get altered so limited services stop at East Perth and Mt Lawley but that'd be about the only difference. (I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Bayswater, being the junction will have all services stopping there.)

I'd be pushing hard for quadruplicating Bayswater - Claisebrook and possibly Sextupling Claisebrook to Perth if I was involved in the engineering of the line, (for the record, I'm not) but how they'd fit an extra set of tracks between the already crowded Claisebrook - McIver section is anyone's guess. Squeezing in under the Lord Street Overpass will be a challenge.

If they are serious about building this Ellenbrook line, that'd be the only way I'd ever see it being able to work. Although Ellenbrook was promised back in 2008, so I'm not holding my breath.
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
Armadale/ Thornlie trains have been running in harmony for years and there is still room to fit the Australind through of a morning and afternoon without any real problems. (other than it sometimes being a bit slow following a C pattern to Perth).
So FAL and Midland services should be able to run under the same sort of arrangement.
steve_w_1990

The Armadale / Thornlie setup is only 2 lines into 1, the Midland / Forrestfield / Ellenbrook is 3, there could be up to 18 trains an hour in each direction during peak if the usual time tabling is used? Can be done and often is around the world but not much room for error with only 2 tracks.
  LL10194 Station Master

Location: Perth
The relatively recent rebuild of the road over rail bridges at Seventh Ave (2015?) and near Third Ave (2016?) between Maylands and Mt Lawley Stations both have scope for four tracks below. I’m recalling drawings on the Main Roads website for those projects at the time. It seemed like good long term planning to me then for the FAL (and if it gets extended to Thornlie etc.), and the standard gauge lines and for general incremental growth on the Midland line.

If that stretch is to be fully quadded there are three or four more choke points to be resolved. The existing road over rail bridge just north of Meltham Station would require a rebuild of the same scale as what is proposed for Bayswater. The rail over road bridge at Guilford Road will possibly get done in coordination with Main Roads upgrading the Guilford Road & East Parade intersection at some future date. Next is East Perth Station, there are already four lines to accommodate the standard gauge terminus, but the recent upgrade has a pedestrian overpass that spans more than it needs to for the one line it currently bridges, although there is a very large and growing bit of electrical infrastructure that I’m sure will cost a fortune to relocate at any future point, so maybe waiting for the numbers to add up or maybe never. And the last massive choke point is the freeway underpass to Claisebrook Station, and then Claisebrook and McIver Stations themselves, both already with four lines, this time for the Armadale / Thornlie line. Claisebrook (a very bleak isolated station) could be expanded by eating into the yard next door, I doubt that will happen in a hurry.

So I guess what I’m saying is that there is benefit in planning for future quadding into East Perth, but I still hope that the quadding isn’t for Ellenbrook via the Midland line. It would be as bad a decision as not taking the Mandurah line all the way up the freeway into Perth – that was avoided by a change in government. I have my fingers crossed that other expensive rail commitments that are up first mean that Ellenbrook can be delayed further until it can be done better.

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