Budget 2016

 
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Bacchus Marsh and beyond will get a 40 minute service once the duplication is complete, so that's okay, but probably not the best.
TOQ-1

Considering that 30 years ago when I tree changed to Ballan, and I've been commuting most week days to Melbourne in that time and also considering that on a Saturday the first train from Melbourne to Ballan arrived about 1:30 in the afternoon and that in 1987 overall there were around 5 weekday services to/from Melbourne, a planned 40 minute service is an exceptionally good frequency combined with an additional 2 up and down peak services and certainly better than I ever expected to be able to utilise in my lifetime Exclamation

Mike.

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  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
$5m sounds extreme in price as the distance is quite short as I recall.


The actual minimum track length is 2700 metres, the line will need to be rebuilt using concrete sleepers and 50Kg rail. There's also a level crossing to get rid of. There's also any work required (such as an over pass) or additional track up to Craigeburn. Not to mention some decent signalling, 5 million could easily be a conservative estimate.

woodford
woodford
There will have to be an overpass of the interstate SG line, or the SG line will have to overpass metro.  Given ARTC will probably want to double stack, id say the SG flyover might be the more logical, though this might impact freight loco power requirements?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
$5m sounds extreme in price as the distance is quite short as I recall.


The actual minimum track length is 2700 metres, the line will need to be rebuilt using concrete sleepers and 50Kg rail. There's also a level crossing to get rid of. There's also any work required (such as an over pass) or additional track up to Craigeburn. Not to mention some decent signalling, 5 million could easily be a conservative estimate.

woodford
There will have to be an overpass of the interstate SG line, or the SG line will have to overpass metro.  Given ARTC will probably want to double stack, id say the SG flyover might be the more logical, though this might impact freight loco power requirements?
james.au
A BG fly-under is always an option, pending any possible drainage issues. Using slab track to minimise the depth of the trench would help with that.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Budget summary in paper today states there is no electrification included in the $570 million upgrade is the Ballarat line so where is all the money going ?
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3 Km extension of double line west of Warrenheip.

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Mike.
The Vinelander
'Three kilometres of track west of Warrenheip will also be duplicated......................'

What does this mean? Is not Warrenheip - Ballarat already double line?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I heard on the local ABC news that the project to duplicate Bunyip - Longwarry was in the budget.  I did not hear it in any other media.

Can it be confirmed what the scope and timing of this project will be.  One would assume it would include rebuilds of both Bunyip and Longwarry stations to have a second platform too.   It will be interesting to see if a cross-over is included in the scope.  


A second platform at Moe would also be interesting (concave curved platform) and beneficial.  However, anyone care to comment on how much room there is left for a second track and platform with the recent new development on the former railway property.
skitz
I too heard on the Gippsland ABC yesterday 28/4 that the Bunyip River Bridge was to be duplicated.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
$5m sounds extreme in price as the distance is quite short as I recall.


The actual minimum track length is 2700 metres, the line will need to be rebuilt using concrete sleepers and 50Kg rail. There's also a level crossing to get rid of. There's also any work required (such as an over pass) or additional track up to Craigeburn. Not to mention some decent signalling, 5 million could easily be a conservative estimate.

woodford
There will have to be an overpass of the interstate SG line, or the SG line will have to overpass metro.  Given ARTC will probably want to double stack, id say the SG flyover might be the more logical, though this might impact freight loco power requirements?
A BG fly-under is always an option, pending any possible drainage issues. Using slab track to minimise the depth of the trench would help with that.
LancedDendrite
The Network Development Plan proposes a second track pair between Somerton and Craigieburn to permit extension of Upfield services to Wallan.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Budget summary in paper today states there is no electrification included in the $570 million upgrade is the Ballarat line so where is all the money going ?
......

3 Km extension of double line west of Warrenheip.

.......

Mike.
'Three kilometres of track west of Warrenheip will also be duplicated......................'

What does this mean? Is not Warrenheip - Ballarat already double line?
YM-Mundrabilla

Single line from Warrenheip to where the line from Geelong meets and runs parallel down the Warrenheip bank. However from memory there are no points these days, having been removed as an economy measure in the RFR works so its effectively a single line.

Mike.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Budget summary in paper today states there is no electrification included in the $570 million upgrade is the Ballarat line so where is all the money going ?
......

3 Km extension of double line west of Warrenheip.

.......

Mike.
'Three kilometres of track west of Warrenheip will also be duplicated......................'

What does this mean? Is not Warrenheip - Ballarat already double line?

Single line from Warrenheip to where the line from Geelong meets and runs parallel down the Warrenheip bank. However from memory there are no points these days, having been removed as an economy measure in the RFR works so its effectively a single line.

Mike.
The Vinelander

That is correct Warrenheip to Ballarat are two single tracks, its NOT double track.

woodford
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

from the way I read it, the so called geelong line east of Ballarat will be upgrade with concrete sleepers,, with a crossover at Warrenheip . The points to be controlled from ballarat.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Warrenheip was 'rationalised' in 1995 (roughly 10 years before RFR), and lost its junction then. Since then its effectively been two individual railway lines that just happen to be near eachother, the actual junction wasn't until Ballarat East where the old crossover remained. It's about time it was returned to proper double track with a proper junction at Warrenheip, makes much more sense.
  Inland_Sailor Junior Train Controller

from the way I read it, the so called geelong line east of Ballarat will be upgrade with concrete sleepers,, with a crossover at Warrenheip . The points to be controlled from ballarat.
trainbrain
Can we presume that the concrete sleepers will be dual gauge given the Murray Basin Project?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Thanks all.

So that what we are getting between Warrenheip and Ballarat is an upgraded version of what we had for 100 years until reasonably recent so called 'rationalisation' (destruction).


Next thing we will be making make a big deal of duplicating the Bendigo line beyond Kyneton.....................Rolling Eyes
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Next thing we will be making make a big deal of duplicating the Bendigo line beyond Kyneton.....................Rolling Eyes
YM-Mundrabilla
I wonder if they will have a grand opening ceremony to match the one they had when the line first opened!

BG
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
from the way I read it, the so called geelong line east of Ballarat will be upgrade with concrete sleepers,, with a crossover at Warrenheip . The points to be controlled from ballarat.
Can we presume that the concrete sleepers will be dual gauge given the Murray Basin Project?
Inland_Sailor

Almost certain as V/Line want to use the 'back passage' IE the line from North Geelong to Ballarat to run trains to Ballarat for maintenance. Alstom will probably want to utilise this route as well for access to their workshops.

Mike.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Bacchus Marsh and beyond will get a 40 minute service once the duplication is complete, so that's okay, but probably not the best.

Considering that 30 years ago when I tree changed to Ballan, and I've been commuting most week days to Melbourne in that time and also considering that on a Saturday the first train from Melbourne to Ballan arrived about 1:30 in the afternoon and that in 1987 overall there were around 5 weekday services to/from Melbourne, a planned 40 minute service is an exceptionally good frequency combined with an additional 2 up and down peak services and certainly better than I ever expected to be able to utilise in my lifetime Exclamation

Mike.
The Vinelander
Thee extra Ballarat Off Peaks  Weekday 40 min frequency can be done on existing infra structure, ditto extra Weekend services.

The 2 extra  Peak trips in both am and PM peaks, can only be done after 2019 when all the extra loops, Deer Park - Melton duplication is complete, and also double track running re-instated between Ballarat East & Warrenheip.
  beanzs27 Assistant Commissioner

Why not just duplicate all of Ballarat line in one go?
Less disruption
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Why not just duplicate all of Ballarat line in one go?
Less disruption
beanzs27

Many, many $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
PTV says that five level crossings will be removed as part of this project. Any idea which ones they will be?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Id suspect the 5 LX shown on the upper loop on this map



given I think the works are to remove that loop and make it run alongside the new track alignment?

(BTW, you need to change the map presentation to map view, and zoom out a little)
  woodford Chief Commissioner

PTV says that five level crossings will be removed as part of this project. Any idea which ones they will be?
railblogger

I believe these are the level crossings on the old line from Millsbrook to Dunnstown, there are 5 all local roads (Old Melbourne rd, Westcotts rd, Bungaree Wallace rd two crossings and Lesters rd).

woodford
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
So no sky rail for Bacchus Marsh?
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
$5m sounds extreme in price as the distance is quite short as I recall.


The actual minimum track length is 2700 metres, the line will need to be rebuilt using concrete sleepers and 50Kg rail. There's also a level crossing to get rid of. There's also any work required (such as an over pass) or additional track up to Craigeburn. Not to mention some decent signalling, 5 million could easily be a conservative estimate.

woodford
woodford
Assuming it would be double track, then there is also work to be done south of Upfield, including duplication of existing single track sections, adding new platforms at stations, signalling, etc.
  Factory_Fill Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne VIC
$5m sounds extreme in price as the distance is quite short as I recall.


The actual minimum track length is 2700 metres, the line will need to be rebuilt using concrete sleepers and 50Kg rail. There's also a level crossing to get rid of. There's also any work required (such as an over pass) or additional track up to Craigeburn. Not to mention some decent signalling, 5 million could easily be a conservative estimate.

woodford
Assuming it would be double track, then there is also work to be done south of Upfield, including duplication of existing single track sections, adding new platforms at stations, signalling, etc.
Lad_Porter
the 5 mill is for planning only, naturally the actual work will cost a 10's of million more if and when it gets done.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
the 5 mill is for planning only, naturally the actual work will cost a 10's of million more if and when it gets done.
Factory_Fill
Possibly 100 times ?

When you factor In the rail / rail grade separation at Somerton.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
The duplication of the Bunyip Bridge is more just a plan. It is a fully blown detailed engineering design together with some possible enhancements in the Moe area that may evaluate a second platform so trains are not held outside Moe for crossing purposes as they are now. These works are intended to ensure Vline can present at the Metro boundary on time more reliably and assist in services exiting Metro system if delayed to be able to better recover and not create a knock on effect.  Don't forget the Murray Bssin Project is now fully funded so that will now move forward with certainty.

I was always confused about the Moe setup.  Was there ever a second platform at Moe prior to RFR?
No, it has always been a single platform.

Even before the rationalisation of the yard the dual track terminated on the up side of the level crossing.
skitz
Incorrect. Before RFR, the Waterloo Road level crossing certainly consisted of two tracks.

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