Inland rail a top budget priority for farmers

 

News article: Inland rail a top budget priority for farmers

A clear commitment to inland rail, more money for mobile black spots, and a backpacker tax resolution are on the National Farmers' Federation's budget wish list.

  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Is this a ground swell behind this project because farmers rail groups and economists all now backing the project. Turnbull mr infrastructure Niobe needs to organise funding. Time to build it.

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  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Well, if we are going to see funding, based on the Business Case (page 271, we would expect to see funding for the Parkes-Narromine and Narrabri-North Star works, and perhaps some preliminary design work on the Gowrie-Rosewood-Kagaru corridor.
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

Well, if we are going to see funding, based on the Business Case (page 271, we would expect to see funding for the Parkes-Narromine and Narrabri-North Star works, and perhaps some preliminary design work on the Gowrie-Rosewood-Kagaru corridor.
james.au
I saw preliminary designs for the Rosewood-Kagaru section around eight years ago on a system somewhere, which was done to the levels of cut-to-fills, tunnels, bridges, etc all overlaid on aerial photos.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Another $594m dor the project is great news think now me. If he get a network. The additional Funding is for property purchases but is it for this year only or for the project ?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Its a funding allocation, so would be there for the project unless

They may as well go ahead and purchase the land now though - land only ever goes up in value in agricultural contexts (albeit with some years of flat growth)
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Is this a final amount for property purchase ?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Ive just flicked through the AFR (Australian Financial Review) this morning - the ARTC sale has been dropped.  Ive submitted a news article for approval, so lets have that discussion when the thread is created.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

AFR = ?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Sorry - ive updated the original post for clarity.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Without seeing any detail, it would appear the funding is still with a fundamental basis of opening on or around 2025 as per numerous reports in the past. The rate of progression and funding for the INLAND has barely deviated in the last 10 years including the 5 PM's along the way. So you have to wonder if this projects timeline is approved deep down in the govt and one of those things not subject to change from political band standing or group.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The additional Funding is for property purchases but is it for this year only or for the project ?
freightgate


$593.7 million in equity will be provided to the Australian Rail Track Corporation from 2017–18 for land acquisition.
The Budget
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Id agree with this, both sides have press releases out there in support of it at various times.  So its probably going to happen.

The question is of funding prioritisation and whether it is progressing as per the business case.  It looks just that little bit slower than it does in the business case.  Refer page 298 of the business case.  The Toowoomba Tunnel is supposed to be in construction phase according to the delivery programme.  Some of the early works for Parkes-Narromine and Narrabri-Moree are to be almost done too but im not sure that is the case.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
I think it will happen because farmers need the infrastructure and I believe it is likely  to benefit southern Queensland ?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Agreed.  Queensland and Northern NSW will be big winners, particularly if the additional port link extension is built and bulk grain can go straight to the port on rail.  Id say Newcastle port might drop out of use substantially for grain when Northern NSW is connected to PoB.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
From Bings post,                                                

593.7 million in equity will be provided to the Australian Rail Track Corporation from 2017–18 for land acquisition.
The Budget


That's the money quote, note the year, in other words it's on the never never.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

I remain rather gobsmacked that nearly $900-million has now been "handed over" for this project without a single sleeper or length of rail being laid. It could be one of the most expensive paper railways in history now.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Ex LNP trough feeders don't come cheap.
  br30453 Chief Train Controller

Agreed.  Queensland and Northern NSW will be big winners, particularly if the additional port link extension is built and bulk grain can go straight to the port on rail.  Id say Newcastle port might drop out of use substantially for grain when Northern NSW is connected to PoB.
james.au
Not sure about that. Just check the relative haul distances.
  konkos Assistant Commissioner

Location: Live next door to half-bar
Ex LNP trough feeders don't come cheap.
wobert
I am just wondering now, where does the Labour Party stand on the land Rail or are they silent.  Has there been any comittment from them at all.
konkos
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Agreed.  Queensland and Northern NSW will be big winners, particularly if the additional port link extension is built and bulk grain can go straight to the port on rail.  Id say Newcastle port might drop out of use substantially for grain when Northern NSW is connected to PoB.
Not sure about that. Just check the relative haul distances.
br30453
Moree is closer to Brisbane than Newcastle.  Plus, Newcastle has the coal traffic using the same lines...
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Ex LNP trough feeders don't come cheap.
I am just wondering now, where does the Labour Party stand on the land Rail or are they silent.  Has there been any comittment from them at all.
konkos
konkos
The original $300m commitment (recycled several times by the Libs) came from Labor.

Please try and pay attention Razz
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I remain rather gobsmacked that nearly $900-million has now been "handed over" for this project without a single sleeper or length of rail being laid. It could be one of the most expensive paper railways in history now.
Sulla1
That's just it - it hasn't been handed over yet.

Of the original $300m only about half if that has been spent - this year $80.7m for that has been allocated.

As I mentioned above the equity payment doesn't start to kick in for at least another year and no time frame has been specified as to what period that will be paid over.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

I remain rather gobsmacked that nearly $900-million has now been "handed over" for this project without a single sleeper or length of rail being laid. It could be one of the most expensive paper railways in history now.
That's just it - it hasn't been handed over yet.

Of the original $300m only about half if that has been spent - this year $80.7m for that has been allocated.

As I mentioned above the equity payment doesn't start to kick in for at least another year and no time frame has been specified as to what period that will be paid over.
bingley hall
Yep, it's a pity something more tangible wasn't selected for this next round of funding allocations. The missing link between Goondiwindi and North Star could have been delivered with this cash. Hardly the whole railway, but at least something visible and even useful to the region.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Yep, it's a pity something more tangible wasn't selected for this next round of funding allocations. The missing link between Goondiwindi and North Star could have been delivered with this cash. Hardly the whole railway, but at least something visible and even useful to the region.
Sulla1

Would this link be considered a priority by the rural producers and rail freight companies and are property acquisitions required for this section?  I agree in the sense that the railway is taking too long when rail companies state there is a need sooner.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Yep, it's a pity something more tangible wasn't selected for this next round of funding allocations. The missing link between Goondiwindi and North Star could have been delivered with this cash. Hardly the whole railway, but at least something visible and even useful to the region.

Would this link be considered a priority by the rural producers and rail freight companies and are property acquisitions required for this section?  I agree in the sense that the railway is taking too long when rail companies state there is a need sooner.
bevans
A single gauge rail connection between the Moree Sub Terminal and the Port of Brisbane would certainly cut down a lot of the cross border grain traffic moving by road. Of course, in the interim, the missing link would have needed to be dual gauge for it to be truly useful...which, I guess, politically, would seem regressive and probably the reason it wasn't considered/delivered.

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