Renewed push for Melbourne airport rail link

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 10 May 2016 22:19
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
As I have mentioned previously after being briefed Andrews is highly likely to announce the airport rail link prior to next years state election.  There will be circa $2b surplus at that time and more in the forward estimates.  It will happen and be built in line for the opening of the Metro Rail Tunnel.

Renewed push for Melbourne airport rail link

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  ElliotProvis Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
I believe the next state election is in November 2018? Not 2017?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
As I have mentioned previously after being briefed Andrews is highly likely to announce the airport rail link prior to next years state election.  There will be circa $2b surplus at that time and more in the forward estimates.  It will happen and be built in line for the opening of the Metro Rail Tunnel.

Renewed push for Melbourne airport rail link
bevans

This is another nonsense story from that Murdoch rag.

What between the East-West white elephant they won't let die and the airport rail link they raise every few months...forget it.

1. What is the suggested route anyway Question

2. Do you want an airport rail link operating on the extremely congested RRL or the equally congested Watergardens/Sunbury line OR, for your $Billion or so, new regional carriages to replace the H, S, N and other assorted cars and loco's that are in the pipeline for replacement in the next couple of years.

I know what I'd prefer.

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Unsure of the route but well aware it will not be delivered until the Metro Rail Tunnel is completed.  Expect this project to be an add-on to the current construction.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Just remember who's bringing this up:

Moonee Valley Council wants the Municipal Association of Victoria state council to lobby the government to reconsider a link via Flemington.
Renewed push for Melbourne Airport rail link


It's a local government election year in Victoria (what, nobody cares?). The 'Flemington Link' alignment is incredibly expensive relative to the time saving and has inner-city access issues because it links into the already-congested Craigieburn line.

There is a good reason why the Albion East alignment has been the focus of planning for so many years: it's the least bad alignment option.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Until the 1970s, commercial flights serving Melbourne landed at and took off from Essendon Airport, then the Tullamarine jet-port was built. Essendon airport was served by trams until the 1970s, but even though the line has since been diverted to airport west, it still hasn't been extended to to Tullamarine.

If the Airport rail link is built, will it be level crossing free, as is the case in Sydney and Brisbane?
  blowfish Junior Train Controller

Considering the current alignment until Airport Drive is level crossing free, yes. I'd imagine it would be a mixture of at grade and elevated sections.
  dollarbill85 Locomotive Fireman

It would be because it is supposed to travel via the Sunbury Line as far as Sunshine (No level crossings in that section), along the Jacana Loop then branching off and continuing to Melbourne Airport. But this won't happen until after Melbourne Metro is completed, because then they will finally have the capacity to cope with services from The Airport, and the future electrification to Melton.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Good to know that it will be free of level crossings, how about flat junctions?

How long ago was the Airport rail link first proposed? Back when the Tullamarine jet-port was built?

But still, how about an extension of tram route 59 and maybe even 82 to Airport west?
  Turbo Thomas Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I hope they don't expect Melbourne Airport to be overly co-operative on this idea. They currently make a huge profit with their overpriced car parking (go onto Google, count the cars in the long term car park and look up the rates). Skybus and Citylink also enjoy huge profits from the monopoly of the airport access. Although there are some suburban bus routes that go to the airport, their bus stops have been placed as far away from the terminals as possible (it's over 1km walk if your flying Qantas Domestic) yet Skybus, Long term car park bus and even the staff buses drop people off right at the door.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Although there are some suburban bus routes that go to the airport, their bus stops have been placed as far away from the terminals as possible (it's over 1km walk if your flying Qantas Domestic) yet Skybus, Long term car park bus and even the staff buses drop people off right at the door.
Turbo Thomas

Err...totally incorrect, not sure when you last caught the 'free' bus to the airport however...

The 901 bus stops and has done for at least two years about 50 metres from QANTAS domestic and right near the staff buses as you call them. AFAIK PTV no longer uses the previous stop near Tiger air. The current set up is well posted, has PID's and all the bells and whistles required for a good PT option. Just touch on and go.

I assume the other bus routes also stop there including Skybus whose second drop off/pick up point is nearby which most people use because they don't do enough research ahead of arriving at the airport to enable them to save big $$.

Mike.
  SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
I hope they don't expect Melbourne Airport to be overly co-operative on this idea. They currently make a huge profit with their overpriced car parking (go onto Google, count the cars in the long term car park and look up the rates). Skybus and Citylink also enjoy huge profits from the monopoly of the airport access. Although there are some suburban bus routes that go to the airport, their bus stops have been placed as far away from the terminals as possible (it's over 1km walk if your flying Qantas Domestic) yet Skybus, Long term car park bus and even the staff buses drop people off right at the door.
Turbo Thomas
yeah...nah

Melbourne Airport is all in FAVOUR of a Rail link...ASAP
http://www.smh.com.au/business/melbourne-airport-pushes-for-early-start-on-rail-link-20141104-11gl05.html

Richard
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Good to know that it will be free of level crossings, how about flat junctions?

How long ago was the Airport rail link first proposed? Back when the Tullamarine jet-port was built?

But still, how about an extension of tram route 59 and maybe even 82 to Airport west?
Myrtone
No greenfield railway is allowed to have a LX these days unless some remote dirt road to a farmers gate.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
No greenfield railway is allowed to have a LX these days unless some remote dirt road to a farmers gate.
"RTT_Rules"

*looks at http://1945.melbourne*


Ah yes, that worked out so well in the past!
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Okay, does anyone here know how long ago the Airport rail link was first proposed? I would think that building it as early as the 1980s, or even as far back as when the Tullamarine jet-port was built would have been a better choice.
As late as the 1950s, travel between major cities was most done by train, trains travelled directly between city centres in this country, thanks to all our state capitals being able to bring surface rail right into and through the central business districts. With the advent of jet planes, they became the main mode of travel between major cities, but these planes arrive at and depart from the outer suburbs, rather than the city centre. So it's puzzling that none of our state capitals had such links yet at the beginning of 1990.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Although there are some suburban bus routes that go to the airport, their bus stops have been placed as far away from the terminals as possible (it's over 1km walk if your flying Qantas Domestic) yet Skybus, Long term car park bus and even the staff buses drop people off right at the door.

Err...totally incorrect, not sure when you last caught the 'free' bus to the airport however...

The 901 bus stops and has done for at least two years about 50 metres from QANTAS domestic and right near the staff buses as you call them. AFAIK PTV no longer uses the previous stop near Tiger air. The current set up is well posted, has PID's and all the bells and whistles required for a good PT option. Just touch on and go.

I assume the other bus routes also stop there including Skybus whose second drop off/pick up point is nearby which most people use because they don't do enough research ahead of arriving at the airport to enable them to save big $$.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Incorrect. All buses now use the transport hub near Terminal 4.
Okay, does anyone here know how long ago the Airport rail link was first proposed? I would think that building it as early as the 1980s, or even as far back as when the Tullamarine jet-port was built would have been a better choice. As late as the 1950s, travel between major cities was most done by train, trains travelled directly between city centres in this country, thanks to all our state capitals being able to bring surface rail right into and through the central business districts. With the advent of jet planes, they became the main mode of travel between major cities, but these planes arrive at and depart from the outer suburbs, rather than the city centre. So it's puzzling that none of our state capitals had such links yet at the beginning of 1990.
Myrtone
Pretty sure it was first proposed in 2001.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
That's pretty recent in comparison to when Melbourne Airport was built. Why didn't it even get proposed in the 1970s?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
That's pretty recent in comparison to when Melbourne Airport was built. Why didn't it even get proposed in the 1970s?
Myrtone
Probably a lack of demand.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
But consider the traffic we had between the Airport and the C.B.D, even back in the 1980s.

I'm told a rail link was considered when the Airport was built but a freeway was built instead. That means many tourists who would have otherwise taken the train to the CBD and maybe hiring a car there instead hired cars at the Airport.
  Turbo Thomas Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Although there are some suburban bus routes that go to the airport, their bus stops have been placed as far away from the terminals as possible (it's over 1km walk if your flying Qantas Domestic) yet Skybus, Long term car park bus and even the staff buses drop people off right at the door.

Err...totally incorrect, not sure when you last caught the 'free' bus to the airport however...

The 901 bus stops and has done for at least two years about 50 metres from QANTAS domestic and right near the staff buses as you call them. AFAIK PTV no longer uses the previous stop near Tiger air. The current set up is well posted, has PID's and all the bells and whistles required for a good PT option. Just touch on and go.

I assume the other bus routes also stop there including Skybus whose second drop off/pick up point is nearby which most people use because they don't do enough research ahead of arriving at the airport to enable them to save big $$.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Went to the airport on the 901 two weeks ago. The bus started going into the new T4 carpark area. It went past about a dozen stopping bays, including those closest to T4 and stopped in the very far corner of the building. I remained on the bus assuming that he was dropping people off and then going to T1. The driver looked at me and then said "that's it mate". He told me that if they saw him dropping off at any of the other bays then he would be fined.

Here's a diagram from the Bus Australia forums



http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=73482&start=50
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Although there are some suburban bus routes that go to the airport, their bus stops have been placed as far away from the terminals as possible (it's over 1km walk if your flying Qantas Domestic) yet Skybus, Long term car park bus and even the staff buses drop people off right at the door.

Err...totally incorrect, not sure when you last caught the 'free' bus to the airport however...

The 901 bus stops and has done for at least two years about 50 metres from QANTAS domestic and right near the staff buses as you call them. AFAIK PTV no longer uses the previous stop near Tiger air. The current set up is well posted, has PID's and all the bells and whistles required for a good PT option. Just touch on and go.

I assume the other bus routes also stop there including Skybus whose second drop off/pick up point is nearby which most people use because they don't do enough research ahead of arriving at the airport to enable them to save big $$.

Mike.
Incorrect. All buses now use the transport hub near Terminal 4.
railblogger

So what you are saying is QANTAS and the 901 bus stop are at terminal 4 Question
  Turbo Thomas Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Yep, if you want to go from the 901 to T1 then you better have good walking shoes on.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Within the next 5 years airports at

Sydney
Brisbane
Perth

Will have completed airport links. Sydney second airport will have a rail link.

You are flying into Melbourne please turn your watch back 50 years.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Although there are some suburban bus routes that go to the airport, their bus stops have been placed as far away from the terminals as possible (it's over 1km walk if your flying Qantas Domestic) yet Skybus, Long term car park bus and even the staff buses drop people off right at the door.

Err...totally incorrect, not sure when you last caught the 'free' bus to the airport however...

The 901 bus stops and has done for at least two years about 50 metres from QANTAS domestic and right near the staff buses as you call them. AFAIK PTV no longer uses the previous stop near Tiger air. The current set up is well posted, has PID's and all the bells and whistles required for a good PT option. Just touch on and go.

I assume the other bus routes also stop there including Skybus whose second drop off/pick up point is nearby which most people use because they don't do enough research ahead of arriving at the airport to enable them to save big $$.

Mike.
Incorrect. All buses now use the transport hub near Terminal 4.

So what you are saying is QANTAS and the 901 bus stop are at terminal 4 Question
The Vinelander
I never said that. I said that the buses stop near T4.
  dollarbill85 Locomotive Fireman

Good to know that it will be free of level crossings, how about flat junctions?

How long ago was the Airport rail link first proposed? Back when the Tullamarine jet-port was built?

But still, how about an extension of tram route 59 and maybe even 82 to Airport west?

The tram line would probably have to go underground on approach to The Airport, which would be a first for the tram network, possibly sharing tunnel space with the proposed Airport Rail Link, but the problem is the current rolling stock used on route 59 wouldn't cope with the extra passengers not to mention baggage. I think special trams designed of that kind of thing would be needed. I would also propose a route 96 style upgrade with raised barriers, more platform stops and traffic light priority, and PID's. An upgrade of the city terminal would also be a good idea. That is what would be needed to make it a viable Airport Link, and this could be in tandem with the rail link, giving people more than one option for getting to The Airport.
Myrtone

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