Glen Iris Tram Extension - Possible to Mount Waverley?

 
  Willister Station Staff

I note that in one of the reports, they recommended the Glen Iris tram to the Ashburton Station. Excellent idea, what do you guys think?

I was thinking though, would it be feasible, possible to extend it down High Street? right down to say, corner of Stephensons and High Street, right up from Jordonville station? Up till that intersection, High Street is fairly wide and can possible be widened...ideally it could possible stretch to the Glen Shopping Centre in Glen Waverley...

I see the following benefits:

* Possible further integration down the track with the Vermont South tram line.  
* Gives Ashwood better access to PT, it can be used as a shuttle to either the Alamein or Glen Waverley line - two of the least crowded lines and possible under used?

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  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Hi Willister - do you have link for the report?
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Extending the Route 6 has always been on the cards, most recently in the "Rail Futures Inc: Trams and Light Rail in Melbourne's Transport Future" report (http://railfutures.org.au/files/TramsLightRailMelbourne.pdf). However, as they say in the report, it is dependant on the Glen Iris level crossing being removed.  They do say that as a stage 1, Route 6 be extended down the hill to Glen Iris station, and as a stage 2 to Warragul Rd, Ashwood - if I remember this location correctly High St bends off to the south and there is a short road linking to Warragul Rd - perfect for a tram terminus. It is logical that this route be extended this far as it will provide a valuable east-west link, more so than the current Glen Iris - Glen Waverly bus provides.
  ARodH Chief Train Controller

Location: East Oakleigh, Vic
Probably The Greens proposal from here http://greens.org.au/initiatives/vic/fill-missing-tram-links most of them look like drawing on a map and probably won't work. Though there are some that appear to make sense - some of the shorter gap fillers - and isn't the extension to Knox City SC on the cards to happen at some point.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Extending the Rt 6 as far as Warrigal Rd has a lot of merit. It would provide excellent transport options for the Ashburton shops, as well as connecting with Ashburton station. There are also a few schools in the area that could benefit with a direct tram link. As has been said above, there is a small stub shopping strip in Ashwood that would be perfect for a tram terminus similar in style to the Rt 70 terminus at Wattle Park.

After Warrigal Rd, High St becomes the unusualy named High Street Rd. This while being a busy sub-arterial road, is mainly residential and runs parallel to the Glen Waverely railway line. I don't think there is much merit in extending past Warrigal.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Recent papers developed by advocates like the Melbourne Transport Forum et al have identified a number of "relatively low scale" tram route extensions that would link transport hubs/activity centres and provide additional opportunities for increasing tram patronage on the outer parts of the network, and this is just one of several of these.   Like the extension of the route 109 to Box Hill, linking these outer ends results in considerable bi directional movement of people rather than the usual tidal peak flow.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Recent papers developed by advocates like the Melbourne Transport Forum et al have identified a number of "relatively low scale" tram route extensions that would link transport hubs/activity centres and provide additional opportunities for increasing tram patronage on the outer parts of the network, and this is just one of several of these.   Like the extension of the route 109 to Box Hill, linking these outer ends results in considerable bi directional movement of people rather than the usual tidal peak flow.
Trainplanner
Like where many tram routes terminate just shy of a railway station, that could be a great source of additional passenger traffic.

Route 3, 3a to East Malvern station

Route 5 to Darling station

Route 67 to Carnegie station (via Graceburn Av)
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Yes its identified all those
  SEMartin Chief Train Controller

Location: Canberra ACT
Extending the Route 6 has always been on the cards, most recently in the "Rail Futures Inc: Trams and Light Rail in Melbourne's Transport Future" report (http://railfutures.org.au/files/TramsLightRailMelbourne.pdf). However, as they say in the report, it is dependant on the Glen Iris level crossing being removed.  They do say that as a stage 1, Route 6 be extended down the hill to Glen Iris station, and as a stage 2 to Warragul Rd, Ashwood - if I remember this location correctly High St bends off to the south and there is a short road linking to Warragul Rd - perfect for a tram terminus. It is logical that this route be extended this far as it will provide a valuable east-west link, more so than the current Glen Iris - Glen Waverly bus provides.
jdekorte
One advantage of extending the 6 to Ashwood shops at Warrigal Road is the potential to create a really good tram/bus interchange that connects to/from the 903 Red Orbital that has a pretty good all-day service frequency and span of hours and serves a broad level of destinations along the Warrigal Road corridor (including Holmesglen TAFE and Chadstone SC) and bigger suburban activity centres like Box Hill and Oakleigh.
  Willister Station Staff

Recent papers developed by advocates like the Melbourne Transport Forum et al have identified a number of "relatively low scale" tram route extensions that would link transport hubs/activity centres and provide additional opportunities for increasing tram patronage on the outer parts of the network, and this is just one of several of these.   Like the extension of the route 109 to Box Hill, linking these outer ends results in considerable bi directional movement of people rather than the usual tidal peak flow.
Like where many tram routes terminate just shy of a railway station, that could be a great source of additional passenger traffic.

Route 3, 3a to East Malvern station

Route 5 to Darling station

Route 67 to Carnegie station (via Graceburn Av)
Nightfire

The Route 3 and 3a extension would be good to East Malvern Station the only real problem about connectivity is that there is large park between the tram terminal and train station itself.

Route 5 would also have the same issue - stops a bit shy of the station itself (Darling). I think what they should have done before the area was developed/heavily populated was connect Wattletree road to Moira/Dunlop Street the terminate right at the doorstep of the station.

Train/Tram connectivity is atrocious in Melbourne, even the Camberwell Tram is botched. They should have dug an underground pass from the station to the tram stop somewhere at Gardiner station.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland

The Route 3 and 3a extension would be good to East Malvern Station the only real problem about connectivity is that there is large park between the tram terminal and train station itself.

Route 5 would also have the same issue - stops a bit shy of the station itself (Darling). I think what they should have done before the area was developed/heavily populated was connect Wattletree road to Moira/Dunlop Street the terminate right at the doorstep of the station.

Train/Tram connectivity is atrocious in Melbourne, even the Camberwell Tram is botched. They should have dug an underground pass from the station to the tram stop somewhere at Gardiner station.
Willister
What's to say the Route 3 & 3a tram can't go along Sylvester Cr and terminate In the carpark right outside the railway station.

Route 5 couldn't really get much closer than on Malvern Road to Darling Station, though the opportunity would be there to link this route up to Route 67 via Darling Road and Koornang  Road.
  Obzerva Station Master

Location: #6 / Glen Waverley line
Noticed on the tram this evening a Route 6 East Coburg to Glen Iris guide.
Map inside however was still the regular 6 route.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Noticed on the tram this evening a Route 6 East Coburg to Glen Iris guide.
Map inside however was still the regular 6 route.
Obzerva
Probably in preparation for upcoming network changes.
  Obzerva Station Master

Location: #6 / Glen Waverley line
Noticed on the tram this evening a Route 6 East Coburg to Glen Iris guide.
Map inside however was still the regular 6 route.
Probably in preparation for upcoming network changes.
railblogger
ah ok.

thought it was an interesting combination of route maps, 5, 6, 57 and 72.

the fact that route map inside the 6 was was incorrect to what the cover was saying just made it look like the printers had f'd up.
  dollarbill85 Locomotive Fireman

Tram Route 3 should be extended to Chadstone Shopping Centre. There is no direct PT connection from Chadstone to the City. I mean the Alamein Line could be extended to serve Chadstone, possiby connecting to the Cranbourne/Pakenham Line, but the costs invovled would be enormous, especially since alot of tunnelling and modifications to the part of the shopping centre where the station would be, and alot of property acquisition would be required, but I don't know anybody who would want that.

The tram extension on the other hand requires none of that, and would be considerably cheaper than heavy rail, or another option would be to provide an express bus service (route 603) between The East Malvern Terminal and Chadstone Shopping Centre, which would be even cheaper than extending the tram line.
  dollarbill85 Locomotive Fireman

Probably The Greens proposal from here http://greens.org.au/initiatives/vic/fill-missing-tram-links most of them look like drawing on a map and probably won't work. Though there are some that appear to make sense - some of the shorter gap fillers - and isn't the extension to Knox City SC on the cards to happen at some point.
ARodH
Although a Knox City SC extension via route 6 could work, I think an extension of route 75 to serve Knox City is the one being most strongly advocated for. But extending route 6 as well would create a second option and would fill one of the many gaps in the tram network, and the need to transfer to buses would be eliminated. But for such a long route to be viable, I think tram priority measures would have to be implemented.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Tram Route 3 should be extended to Chadstone Shopping Centre. There is no direct PT connection from Chadstone to the City. I mean the Alamein Line could be extended to serve Chadstone, possiby connecting to the Cranbourne/Pakenham Line, but the costs invovled would be enormous, especially since alot of tunnelling and modifications to the part of the shopping centre where the station would be, and alot of property acquisition would be required, but I don't know anybody who would want that.

The tram extension on the other hand requires none of that, and would be considerably cheaper than heavy rail, or another option would be to provide an express bus service (route 603) between The East Malvern Terminal and Chadstone Shopping Centre, which would be even cheaper than extending the tram line.
dollarbill85
That's true however there's no reason why the heavy rail couldn't go skyrail down Warrigal road.
  dollarbill85 Locomotive Fireman

Tram Route 3 should be extended to Chadstone Shopping Centre. There is no direct PT connection from Chadstone to the City. I mean the Alamein Line could be extended to serve Chadstone, possiby connecting to the Cranbourne/Pakenham Line, but the costs invovled would be enormous, especially since alot of tunnelling and modifications to the part of the shopping centre where the station would be, and alot of property acquisition would be required, but I don't know anybody who would want that.

The tram extension on the other hand requires none of that, and would be considerably cheaper than heavy rail, or another option would be to provide an express bus service (route 603) between The East Malvern Terminal and Chadstone Shopping Centre, which would be even cheaper than extending the tram line.
That's true however there's no reason why the heavy rail couldn't go skyrail down Warrigal road.
railblogger
What I was thinking was the line could be built along part of the former inner circle line, going into a tunnel just before reaching the Glen Waverley Line (Maybe an interchange could be built there perhaps?), then curving south-east towards Chadstone Shopping Centre. The station should be located underneath the Bus Interchange for connectivity purposes. then the line could continue to Oakleigh continuing in a tunnel to Huntingdale and then heading east to Rowville terminating at Stud Park SC
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Tram Route 3 should be extended to Chadstone Shopping Centre. There is no direct PT connection from Chadstone to the City. I mean the Alamein Line could be extended to serve Chadstone, possiby connecting to the Cranbourne/Pakenham Line, but the costs invovled would be enormous, especially since alot of tunnelling and modifications to the part of the shopping centre where the station would be, and alot of property acquisition would be required, but I don't know anybody who would want that.

The tram extension on the other hand requires none of that, and would be considerably cheaper than heavy rail, or another option would be to provide an express bus service (route 603) between The East Malvern Terminal and Chadstone Shopping Centre, which would be even cheaper than extending the tram line.
That's true however there's no reason why the heavy rail couldn't go skyrail down Warrigal road.
What I was thinking was the line could be built along part of the former inner circle line, going into a tunnel just before reaching the Glen Waverley Line (Maybe an interchange could be built there perhaps?), then curving south-east towards Chadstone Shopping Centre. The station should be located underneath the Bus Interchange for connectivity purposes. then the line could continue to Oakleigh continuing in a tunnel to Huntingdale and then heading east to Rowville terminating at Stud Park SC
dollarbill85
Might be a lot more expensive to do that though. I was thinking we could close Alamein station and reroute the line from Ashburton down Warrigal Road to Oakleigh with a small detour to the shopping center.

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