Orlando shootings

 
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
50 people shot in one place just horrible to contemplate but how does this guy work in security when he is unstable ?

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  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Only the American gun lobby would say that the people shot needed guns to defend themselves. Only the American gun lobby fails to see that this idea has never worked.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Only the American gun lobby would say that the people shot needed guns to defend themselves. Only the American gun lobby fails to see that this idea has never worked.
Valvegear
Perhaps they should be made illegal, after all that worked with drugs and crime
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Perhaps they should be made illegal, after all that worked with drugs and crime.
"theanimal"
Next stop MENSA?
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The issue is what will Clinton and trump say they will do about the guns in the community ?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Only the American gun lobby would say that the people shot needed guns to defend themselves. Only the American gun lobby fails to see that this idea has never worked.
Perhaps they should be made illegal, after all that worked with drugs and crime
theanimal
AR15's should be restricted, how many of the last umpteen shootings over there have been them?

NRA advocates the gun as "home defense". smeg
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Only the American gun lobby would say that the people shot needed guns to defend themselves. Only the American gun lobby fails to see that this idea has never worked.
Perhaps they should be made illegal, after all that worked with drugs and crime
AR15's should be restricted, how many of the last umpteen shootings over there have been them?

NRA advocates the gun as "home defense". smeg
speedemon08
but how do you "restrict"them? handguns and drugs are already "restricted"but seem to be able to be located by those who want them?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Apparently 4 million U.S. households have a said AR-15 gun. The cat's already out of the bag unfortunately. As for the killer, it seems as though he was a disaster waiting to happen. A toxic mix of radical Islam, mental instability, clash of cultures, freely available guns, and it also seems that he had intimate knowledge of the club he attacked....
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
"Orlando shooter supported conflicting Islamist groups that are fighting each other, FBI says"

http://www.salon.com/2016/06/13/orlando_shooter_supported_conflicting_islamist_groups_that_are_fighting_each_other/

Seems like a nobody looking for a cause.
  t_woodroffe Assistant Commissioner

From a USA gun forum:

I shopped around for my MCX and got it for $1500 in Jan (without the second barrel). You can find them for around what I paid. $2k is a lot for a 5.56 AR I agree.
After the Orlando incident, I wouldn’t be surprised if prices went back up as the waiting list gets long. AR’s are selling like crazy right now. Some dealer said he was selling 15 AR’s per hour. I just scored some ammo. With the bickering by the left in DC, it may not be too long before perhaps we have an ammo shortage again.

An MCX is the Sig Sauer MCX used by the Orlando maniac .......

I say it again in the Land of the Free!

TW
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Just in case you're not entirely sure what the US is up against, John Oliver took one for the team a few years back and gave us this interview - with apologies for featuring something containing Andrew O'Keefe...



http://youtu.be/4dVcaWyNN-Q
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
"Orlando shooter supported conflicting Islamist groups that are fighting each other, FBI says"

http://www.salon.com/2016/06/13/orlando_shooter_supported_conflicting_islamist_groups_that_are_fighting_each_other/

Seems like a nobody looking for a cause.
cootanee
On the surface it looks like an attack against homosexuals, but then as you dig into his history and even talking to his exwife it seems that he may have actually been gay!

So yes, an idiot looking for a cause may have been the case and he may have felt that the only way to solve his problem with his religion and his own sexual makeup was to go out against those deemed to be evil and be taken out himself in the process.

Issue with this tragegy is that despite the numerous and very frequent shootings in schools etc etc, often by young, white, christian men, the only focus will be from this is "terrorist" and support for the pro-gun lobby will grow as will Trump.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Some believe he was following the Muslim belief of homosexual behaviour being unacceptable to the religion.  Does this mean all Muslims are homophobic?
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Some believe he was following the Muslim belief of homosexual behaviour being unacceptable to the religion.  Does this mean all Muslims are homophobic?
x31
Remember when Aids hit and those 'Christians' who said it was God's retribution. However not all Christians are homophobic. Many cultures are homophobic, misogynist, superstitious, etc.

There are always people for whom enlightenment comes late (or not at all). You just have to look at how gays were treated under our legal system until quite recently. P&@a bashing still occurs today Mad
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Some believe he was following the Muslim belief of homosexual behaviour being unacceptable to the religion.  Does this mean all Muslims are homophobic?
x31
No more than your average bogan redneck, probably less even.
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
Some believe he was following the Muslim belief of homosexual behaviour being unacceptable to the religion.  Does this mean all Muslims are homophobic?
No more than your average bogan redneck, probably less even.
bingley hall

Homosexual sex in arab countries is illegal and punishable by a long term in prison so not to be reckoned with however the irony is arab countries like saudi arabia do not permit woman to date men or talk to men in the street etc. meaning there is a great deal of frustrated men living there who are unmarried.  therefore it is no unusual for homosexual encounters to happen between men.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Some believe he was following the Muslim belief of homosexual behaviour being unacceptable to the religion.  Does this mean all Muslims are homophobic?
x31
offically in Islam like most religions being gay is a no no and on the extreme side of islam its the death penalty and is in the law of a few countries although rarely used unless caught in the act as only this defines you as gay. Most Islamis countries have some penalty for being caught with your pants down, as did Tasmania until only a few years back and still many Christian countries still. ISIS excutes in a very awful way homosexuals.

Like every other culture in the world, gays make up ~10% of the male population because thats one of mother nature little quirks. Yes in strict arab countries like Chrisian these people still get married to appaise family and do the deed to produce off-spring and then usually have affairs on the side while they turn a blind eye to what theirs hetrosexual partners do for a good time.

From the women I know who have been to Arab weddings in Dubai and to the womens only beach and water park days, they all say the same thing. Lesbian central! this is what happens when mixing with the opposite sex is banned or discouraged as we know from our own jails. I'm sure this is one of the reasons why people were encouraged historically to get married young because we all know what happens in a sex segrated society or culture.
  doridori Chief Commissioner

Ok, I'm hearing whispers about a second shooter and a third party holding the doors closed so no one could get out.
If that is true...
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Ok, I'm hearing whispers about a second shooter and a third party holding the doors closed so no one could get out.
"doridori'
Ah! - you're hearing the voices. That explains a good deal.
  antiussentiment Locomotive Driver

Location: perth
Some believe he was following the Muslim belief of homosexual behaviour being unacceptable to the religion.  Does this mean all Muslims are homophobic?
No more than your average bogan redneck, probably less even.

Homosexual sex in arab countries is illegal and punishable by a long term in prison so not to be reckoned with however the irony is arab countries like saudi arabia do not permit woman to date men or talk to men in the street etc. meaning there is a great deal of frustrated men living there who are unmarried.  therefore it is no unusual for homosexual encounters to happen between men.
8077
That's a gross generalization.  I worked in Iran and the UAE for a short while.  They are some of the most laid back dudes I've ever mixed with.
Sure the government has all sorts of rules.  But everyone just ignores them and (barring Saudi Arabia) there are so few cops that it does not really matter.  My tip is don't drink too much of their rocket fuel.  That smeg can catch you out.

My guess is the shooter was a latent homosexual at war with him self.  It's pretty common knowledge that blokes who go out bashing gays are usually latent homosexuals them selves.
  doridori Chief Commissioner

Ok, I'm hearing whispers about a second shooter and a third party holding the doors closed so no one could get out.
Ah! - you're hearing the voices. That explains a good deal.
Valvegear
Oh, I've my very own RP stalker!
I'm honoured you consider me worthy of such effort Smile
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
antiussentiment, you really experience seems to be at odds with the experience of two of my friends (and their friends) that have lived most of their lives in Iran. You might not have seen many uniformed police on your stay there, but Iran may not have a large uniformed police presence, many of their police are secret police - in every sense of the term.

I have seen photos and videos of the parties in Iran, held in secret in specially built basements of properties. My friend's brother is still missing after he was arrested by the Iranian police for a charge that no one has been advised of. The Iranian police simply collected him one night (my friend was already in Australia at the time) and that was it. Her parents and other relatives still in Iran have no idea what he is alleged to have done.

I also have friends that made the mistake of working in UAE, I have seen the photos of their religious police, unsurprisingly not unlike the Saudi religious police. They have seemingly had little experience of needing to be dealt with by said police, but nonetheless their presence was frequently observed.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Oh, I've my very own RP stalker!

I'm honoured you consider me worthy of such effort
"doridori"
"A source of innocent merriment" W S Gilbert, The Mikado.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Oh, I've my very own RP stalker!

I'm honoured you consider me worthy of such effort
"A source of innocent merriment" W S Gilbert, The Mikado.
Valvegear
Railpage's very own Godwin's Law - eventually everything ends up back at Gilbert & Sullivan.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
My guess is the shooter was a latent homosexual at war with him self.  It's pretty common knowledge that blokes who go out bashing gays are usually latent homosexuals them selves.
antiussentiment
I think this is the core issue: The role of the religion in sending the bloke off the edge precisely because there was no way he could be a devout follower AND openly gay. I think Paul Barry on Monday night's Media Watch summed it up nicely when he observed that most of the media and politicians - including our own Malcolm Turnbull - were going out of their way to avoid acknowledging that fundamentalist Islam does in fact proscribe death to anyone they consider outside their model of the perfect human being and that there's no shortage of nutters out there willing to enforce it. Informative to see Malcolm squirm when Neil Mitchell asked him the simple question: Is Islam homophobic? He wouldn't answer. This was a rare time when I found myself in agreement with what Andrew Bolt had to say on the issue: It's high time we stopped showing respect for people's invisible sky fairies when they cause harm.

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