New post-Waratah suburban trains in 2016 budget

 
  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
Continuing on the roughly 10 year cycle of new train introduction, there's a new line item in the budget for the next generation after the waratah suburban trains.  I'm guessing this should see the phase out of the T/G sets as well as the last remaining silver sets.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-state-budget-2016-1b-for-new-suburban-trains-for-sydney-rail-network-20160620-gpn80u.html

Paraphrasing to the article "it won't be freshly designed sets", so maybe another order of Waratahs?

Let the speculation begin! Laughing

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  fixitguy Chief Train Controller

Location: In Carriage 4 on a Tangara
Continuing on the roughly 10 year cycle of new train introduction, there's a new line item in the budget for the next generation after the waratah suburban trains.  I'm guessing this should see the phase out of the T/G sets as well as the last remaining silver sets.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-state-budget-2016-1b-for-new-suburban-trains-for-sydney-rail-network-20160620-gpn80u.html

Paraphrasing to the article "it won't be freshly designed sets", so maybe another order of Waratahs?

Let the speculation begin! Laughing
jcouch
3 years until a new train arrives. Thats not long enough for the company to bid for the train, take on cheap loans, fail to deliver trains, go bankrupt, get bailed out and finally deliver trains 4 years late Very HappyVery Happy

In seriousness, they do have a 20 train options of the Waratah trains so they could take that up (unlikely given it was a failure of a project. Trains are good but everything else about the project isnt. Also the supply chain needs to be restarted). And they probably won't replace the T sets as they are slated for an upgrade to extend their life by at least 10 years. The sets I would see to be replaced the most are the C Sets. No need for an explanation there.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Let the speculation begin! Laughing
jcouch

Not that I could be bothered to read through the Budget Papers to find out, but I'd suggest this is just funding for the new Interurban fleet, with the OSCARs to be transferred to suburban duties.
  fixitguy Chief Train Controller

Location: In Carriage 4 on a Tangara
Let the speculation begin! Laughing

Not that I could be bothered to read through the Budget Papers to find out, but I'd suggest this is just funding for the new Interurban fleet, with the OSCARs to be transferred to suburban duties.
djf01
Having now skimmed through the budget and press releases. Here are the stuff relevant fo rail and public transport.

Transport and Roads (fancy press release pdf)
http://www.budget.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/128553/8._Transport_and_Roads.pdf
Transport, roads and Maritime cluster (official budget numbers and other nerdy stuff)
http://www.budget.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/128444/10._Transport,_Roads_and_Maritime_Cluster.pdf
TfNSW press release
http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/media-releases/budget-delivers-10-5-billion-public-transport

While the official budget papers seem to not say anything about the new trains being suburban (just 1 billion over 4 years for new trains). The only thing mentioned about new trains is $130 million for the intercity project and that's not even mentioned in the fancy press release pdf (1st one linked).

However the TfNSW press release does say suburban trains so lets speculate further shall we.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

I don't know why they want more suburban trains.  
Replace all the V-sets and OScars with the new Interurban train, one at least a 1 for 1 basis, Plus another 20 or so everything that operates outside of berowra, emu plains and waterfall is one of the new trains.
Have the Oscars Transferred for suburban only duty (But i wouldn't spend the cash removing the bathroom, just let some people have a bit of luxury)

Have a few of the extra interurban trains do carlingford, cumberland, and Olympic park runs.
  ElliotProvis Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
I don't know why they want more suburban trains. Replace all the V-sets and OScars with the new Interurban train, one at least a 1 for 1 basis, Plus another 20 or so everything that operates outside of berowra, emu plains and waterfall is one of the new trains. Have the Oscars Transferred for suburban only duty (But i wouldn't spend the cash removing the bathroom, just let some people have a bit of luxury) Have a few of the extra interurban trains do carlingford, cumberland, and Olympic park runs.
tazzer96
I'm a noob here, so you'll have to forgive me, but I've seen others post that there is an issue to do with platform lengths and interurbans using these platforms in the Sydney metro network, due to consist length... Wouldn't this limit the use of these new Interurbans to just the Interurban routes, and mena they were unable to use the platforms on Carlingford routes, etc, etc?
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
I'm a noob here, so you'll have to forgive me, but I've seen others post that there is an issue to do with platform lengths and interurbans using these platforms in the Sydney metro network, due to consist length... Wouldn't this limit the use of these new Interurbans to just the Interurban routes, and mena they were unable to use the platforms on Carlingford routes, etc, etc?
ElliotProvis


4H sets are only a couple meters longer than a 4T, so that's not an issue.

The platform length issue is on V Sets only.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

The H sets are pretty much a expensive suburban train that can run slightly smoother, faster than the others but with a toilet. (they are allowed to run up to 130)  They have virtually the same length, hence why they are run on suburban services on the T1 lines during the day.  Its the reason why most of the "peak" intercity services are 8 car h sets is because they can run into the underground stations and still fit.   The main reason why the south coast line is all H sets.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

They will have the new interurbans at around 20m per car instead of the v sets 24m per car. If they need the extra capacity, they might have a few 10 car trains for the newcastle services.  Mainly so they can make use of the extra doors.  Ever seen a full v-set set down at central, takes a very long time for everyone to get off
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Yes, it would be nice for the new short-car interurbans to come in sets of 4 (D-N-N-D) and 6 (D-N-N-T-N-D), so you could have trains of 4, 6, 8 or 10 cars.

The OSCARs may not be a gunzel favourite, but all they need are: 1) better seats, a la the G sets; and 2) more toilets, a la the V/Locities that pack in a few extra aircraft-style compact non-wheelchair toilets.

Boring but practical and all that.
  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
I have another speculative thought: As the new interurbans come in, that contract is extended for more sets, and this cash is to convert the OSCARs to suburban usage. That was the original intention with them anyway, maybe it is just happening faster?

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