Rio Olympics discussion

 
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
Australian athletes already robbed at gunpoint other issues around the virus and security could this be a real flop?

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The competitors were held at gun point according to the news.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
So much for the 'safe zone' time to move the olympics to a country that can at least provide clean and virus free event spaces.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The Rio Olympics will be interesting as the security is an issue and so to the crime.  The virus issue could be a beat up like the previous announcements.  Remember over a year ago we were all hearing about how the African Virus killing thousands was about to break free and take over the world.

Regardless it is not a good look for Rio.  My sister lived there for a while and she commented the crime is simply out of control.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Zika is no beat up.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Zika is no beat up.
Aaron

I am speaking in relation to the threat to those visiting the Olympics and those competing.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The Rio Olympics will be interesting as the security is an issue and so to the crime.  

Regardless it is not a good look for Rio.  My sister lived there for a while and she commented the crime is simply out of control.
bevans
They held the Soccer World Cup in Sth Africa, even the tourism minister said publically he couldn't guarentee peoples safety.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
So an Olympic venue is somehow impervious to mosquitos?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Which tourism minister RTT? For the South Africa or Brazil? No one can gaurantee your safety at a soccer game, if you are quoting the South African then we can at least accept that he was truthful.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
So an Olympic venue is somehow impervious to mosquitos?
Aaron

I recall various indian stadiums/venues were strayed with various chemicals prior to the Delhi commonwealth games.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Yes, but the Indian situation was different, they were only taking a precaution to control the bearer of a disease that we already have a vaccination/preventative treatment for.

Zika doesn't have that!
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Radio talk this morning sees only a sole golfer has thus far pulled out of the Rio Games.  The athletes do not appear to be concerned about any perceived risks.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Radio talk this morning sees only a sole golfer has thus far pulled out of the Rio Games.
bevans
That is completely false.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
A sole golfer Bevans? I can name three golfers! Mark McIlroy, Vijay Singh, and Marc Leishmann - with Jason Day strongly considering not attending.

Golfers are wise to consider not attending, they understand better than most, standing water is a design feature of the course. You can treat the water, but mosquitos will still attend the area in search of that water - they don't know it's treated until they're unfortunate to land on it...

Golf is also a properly professional sport, there is more to risk by needing to miss their valuable open tournaments than other less highly paid athletes. This is possibly also why the women golfers do not seem to have dropped out yet - they need the Olympic recognition much more than the men.

Then there are some cyclists, I'll let JAP list them, he knows more about cycling than I do.

It's not only athletes that we need consider attendances of, most sports have more spectators than competitors. There is no measure of how many spectators won't attend, hopefully it's most of them.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A sole golfer Bevans? I can name three golfers! Mark McIlroy, Vijay Singh, and Marc Leishmann - with Jason Day strongly considering not attending.
Aaron

yes according to news reports earlier in the week when I posted, only 1 golfer had announced they would not attend.  Well, according to 3AW.  Then again here is a reference:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/23/sports/golf/rory-mcilroy-olympics-zika.html?_r=0

Which does list the others golfers. Smile
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Then there are some cyclists, I'll let JAP list them, he knows more about cycling than I do.
Aaron
Correct. I didn't need to even look outside my own favourite sport to know of a few who have withdrawn, and others who structured their season plan as if it wasn't there in the first place.

This is not normal. The Olympic Road Race is quite a prestigious race and riders will normally go out of their way to make sure they are well prepared for it, even to the point of leaving the Tour de France early to recover a bit ahead of the Olympics. Winning it is a massive deal - you get to wear a gold helmet for the next four years, gold cuffs on race jerseys for the rest of your career, and at every road race the speaker will announce your achievements and call you to start at the front alongside any current/former world champions, current national champions and previous winners of the race in question.

Golf is also a properly professional sport, there is more to risk by needing to miss their valuable open tournaments than other less highly paid athletes. This is possibly also why the women golfers do not seem to have dropped out yet - they need the Olympic recognition much more than the men.
Aaron
Road cycling for both the men and women is reasonably similar to golf for the men, the Olympic Road Race is a highly prized win - but not so highly prized as to be the sole focus of the whole season above the other most prestigious races of the three Grand Tours, five Monuments and the World Championship.

Male road cyclists never attend the opening ceremony because their race is on the first day of competition, and some of the female riders skip it too because their race is on the second day. Unless a rider's season plan has the Olympic Road Race as the final event in a block of racing, it's even rarer for road cyclists (men or women) to attend the closing ceremony because the road cycling season has moved on by then with both the WorldTour and Women's WorldTour having other races before the Olympics finish. London 2012 was an exception as holding the Olympics in Western Europe allowed some riders to attend the closing ceremony - but only after competing in other events (including a fair bunch of them in a Belgian race the day after the Olympic Road Race!) or attending a training camp with their pro team ahead of the Vuelta a España.

Most track cyclists will attend both the opening and closing ceremonies as track cycling is one of the 'traditional' Olympic sports where it is the pinnacle of their season, so much so that many top riders will completely sit out the 2016-17 UCI World Cup season after having what is effectively a lengthened 2015-16 season finishing at the Olympics in August. Among the Australians, it will be hard for Anna Meares to avoid the opening ceremony as she will almost certainly be selected as the Captain of the whole national team and carry the national flag even if the velodrome does not get completed in time and their racing is held in Cali, Colombia.

BMX and MTB riders will not bother with the opening ceremony, they won't even be in Brazil by then as their events are held at the end of the two weeks. They'll arrive towards the end of the first two weeks in time for some training sessions on the course in the days leading up to racing.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
A sole golfer Bevans? I can name three golfers! Mark McIlroy, Vijay Singh, and Marc Leishmann - with Jason Day strongly considering not attending.
Aaron
Now there's another. Graeme McDowell has declined to replace McIlroy.

P.S. I thought it was Rory McIlroy.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Is it Rory McIlroy! I think I have it wrong because I went to check the spelling of 'Mark vs Marc' for Leishmann and somehow left the wrong Mark in front of McIlroy. My pro golfer uncle and pro golfer mate don't read RP so the mistake won't get me laughed at too much!

I wasn't paying enough attention, too much other stuff happening at the time, but today I heard some other athletes had pulled out too.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Adam Scott is out, and so are a couple of South Africans. At this rate I could enter on the AOC's golf team and likely medal, and I'd seldom be able to tell which end of the club was which.

Tejay van Garderen is out of the US cycling team specifically due to Zika.

I am seeing some tennis players having 'scheduling issues' which is code for 'I don't want to be there'.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I expect some athletes sitting on the fence to decide against going after the news that the Jamaican sprinter Kemar Bailey-Cole has contracted Zika.

Tejay van Garderen is out of the US cycling team specifically due to Zika.
Aaron
Yep. He is a husband and father as well as a cyclist.

It's not just athletes, national cycling teams are struggling to convince their support staff to go.  Maybe it's time for me to finally stop cheating with quick release links (which won't stand up to a sprinter like Matt Glaetzer smashing out 2000+ watts) and learn how to use a proper chain tool.

I am seeing some tennis players having 'scheduling issues' which is code for 'I don't want to be there'.
Aaron
In road cycling, the preferred code is something along the lines of 'focusing on preparation for the Vuelta.'

If that's to be believed, this year's edition of the Vuelta a España (usually the third-best of the three grand tours each year, well behind the Giro d'Italia and Tour de France) will be truly epic, courtesy of attracting all the big names to the same race.
  kapow Junior Train Controller



Then there are some cyclists, I'll let JAP list them, he knows more about cycling than I do.
Aaron
Only big name so far to pull out stating Zika as being the reason is Tejay van Garderen


Edit: Missed the post where you mentioned him Embarassed
  kapow Junior Train Controller

In road cycling, the preferred code is something along the lines of 'focusing on preparation for the Vuelta.'

If that's to be believed, this year's edition of the Vuelta a España (usually the third-best of the three grand tours each year, well behind the Giro d'Italia and Tour de France) will be truly epic, courtesy of attracting all the big names to the same race.
justapassenger
At the moment the only big name who's pulled out is TvG with most of the big names in with a chance on that course stating that they will be going, hell even Sagan is trying to qualify for the MTB event in Rio. I do wonder as we get closer to the Olympics if we will start to see a whole bunch of the names suddenly get ill or as you state 'focusing on preparation for the Vuelta.'

On a side note, I'd dare say the Vuelta has been one of the better GT's in recent years just trailing behind the Giro for excitement value
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Some good news for Rio yesterday. After the contractor building the velodrome went bust and had to be replaced, the velodrome has now been partially completed and handed over to the organisers. The track itself is complete, but subcontractors still have work to do on the seating and other facilities.

In bad news, WADA has suspended their certification of the Rio anti-doping lab for not meeting standards. There will now be no chance of samples being promptly tested and a quick resolution reached
At the moment the only big name who's pulled out is TvG with most of the big names in with a chance on that course stating that they will be going …
kapow
The only big name to publicly pull out after previously saying he would go, that is. We'll never know how many others have quietly advised their national federation that they are declining to be considered.

GBR and a couple of others have announced already, GBR being notable for the public tantrums from non-selected women's riders Jessica Varnish, Dani King and Hayley Simmonds.

Cycling Australia will announce on Tuesday next week. My guesses for the road race teams will be Simon Clarke, Rohan Dennis (+TT), Damien Howson (+TT) and Richie Porte for the men, with Gracie Elvin, Katrin Garfoot (+TT), Amanda Spratt and one of Rachel Neylan or Carlee Taylor for the women.

… hell even Sagan is trying to qualify for the MTB event in Rio.
kapow
Qualified and selected. This has caused a touch of controversy as Michal Lami got most of the UCI points which earned Slovakia a spot, but he rarely gets inside the top 50 at World Cup races so I think it's a legit selection decision to roll the dice on Sagan with his previous achievements including winning the Junior World Championship in XCO.

Mark Cavendish has done the same thing with a return to the track, he will compete in the Omnium and as the fifth man in the GBR team pursuit squad. The final selection was not controversial, as the more deserving rider Jonathan Dibben dropped out of contention for the spot due to injury.

I do wonder as we get closer to the Olympics if we will start to see a whole bunch of the names suddenly get ill or as you state 'focusing on preparation for the Vuelta.'
kapow
Other options include:
- 'Exhausted after a heavy Tour de France campaign' (but not so exhausted as to skip RideLondon or the post-Tour crits).
- 'Competing in the Tour of Utah' which directly clashes, and is actually legit for teams whose sponsors want their pro teams to show well in one of the biggest North American races.

On a side note, I'd dare say the Vuelta has been one of the better GT's in recent years just trailing behind the Giro for excitement value
kapow
I agree, it benefits from the teams not being so optimised for it as they are for the Tour.

The Tour organisers have been doing their best with varying the course in recent years, but there's only so much they can do when the UCI allows it to be a video game played by the sporting directors. We'd have a far better contest if team radio was banned (replace it with a transmitter which would send the rider's ID and location to the team car when they press the button to request service) and the power meters being placed under the saddle as they are during track races.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

You're one step closer Aaron, Jason Day has also said no to a trip to Rio.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I would love to represent, but I seem to have some 'scheduling issues'...

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