Melbourne Metro Rail Project Revived

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 16 Feb 2015 17:54
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
After using the München S Bahn, 3 stations Hauptbahnhof, Karlsplatz and Marienplatz, work a treat with mass movement of commuters through the underground shopping parzers associated with the stations.

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  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The new generation trains are likely to be ready well before the Metro Tunnel which is still about 10 years away from being operational.
  mclaren2007 Assistant Commissioner

Location: recharging my myki
11 billion for the tunnels? I wonder where they're gonna get the money from, it doesn't simply grow on trees.
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
11 billion for the tunnels? I wonder where they're gonna get the money from, it doesn't simply grow on trees.
mclaren2007
I did hear today that only $4.5b is actually funded.
Would you build a house with only half the money available?
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
That is $11 Billion without any real costings or the CFMEU payout.
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Great project but this is typical Labor at it's best... Only half the funding but will proceed to go ahead with the project... You can't build something if you don't have all the funds... I've also heard rumour's that it's not even costed correctly and will definately have a major budget blow out.. But in saying that only time will tell.
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Great project but this is typical Labor at it's best... Only half the funding but will proceed to go ahead with the project... You can't build something if you don't have all the funds... I've also heard rumour's that it's not even costed correctly and will definately have a major budget blow out.. But in saying that only time will tell.
mickamious
At least enough to get started . Lets do it !
It is too important to continue to procrastinate !
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Great project but this is typical Labor at it's best... Only half the funding but will proceed to go ahead with the project... You can't build something if you don't have all the funds... I've also heard rumour's that it's not even costed correctly and will definately have a major budget blow out.. But in saying that only time will tell.
At least enough to get started . Lets do it !
It is too important to continue to procrastinate !
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
Should have built the E**$T-W#$T Link instead.  At least it was funded.
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Should have built the E**$T-W#$T Link instead.  At least it was funded.
QSB6.7
Well that part of being funded is fully true...
I don't how some people can dislike/disagree with my original comment before hand when it's the truth and the facts...
Labor has a disastrous history when it comes to delivering major projects, i don't think we need to go into them all.
You can't commence this project with only having not even half the funding... It makes no sense...
All the preliminary work has to be done then they need full funding before they can even commence... Well that's how it should roll..
  gobillino Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Ummm, and how is this not what's being done?
  gobillino Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Ummm, and how is this not what's being done?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Great project but this is typical Labor at it's best... Only half the funding but will proceed to go ahead with the project... You can't build something if you don't have all the funds... I've also heard rumour's that it's not even costed correctly and will definately have a major budget blow out.. But in saying that only time will tell.
mickamious
I betcha that they won't run out of funds before the next federal election. $4.5 billion will last the first four years of the project if the leaked business case is correct.

Plus, there looks like they may have some savings - based on yesterday's announcement, the only cut-and-cover parts of the Melbourne Metro alignment will end up being the stations and portals. The UK's Crossrail project seems to have proven that TBMs can do some fairly precise manoeuvring in city environments, so the CBD North-CBD South cut-and-cover works may rejected in favour of using TBMs. Additionally, the use of TBMs to cross the Yarra in lieu of an immersed tube will also mean that TBMs used on the southern (South Yarra-CBD South) portion of the project will be able to travel further, getting more use out of them.

The original project budgeted for 4 TBMs. They might be able to do it with only 2 if I'm reading the recent announcements correctly.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

That is $11 Billion without any real costings or the CFMEU payout.
Donald
I take it you are an avid reader of the Herald Sun!!!

Michael
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr......................... Before the exicutions start........ treat all reports on finance with a good deal of scepticsm _____ALL______ journalists including the ABC pick the worst case often including on going costs so such reports and in most cases give one the wrong impression. Unfortunately the rail and construction authorities such as VLine and the Metro mob never come to there own defence with any reliable figures. Sadly this makes it trivially easy for the opposition parties to spread serious false hoods.
A real classic example of this phenomonon is the Regional Fast Rail Project.

woodford
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Bumping this thread for some news that came out today, the Metro will now be bored under Swanston Street to remove disruptions. The stations will be excavated via shafts on the land that is to be acquired. It seems like the tunnels will now be under the city loop at Melbourne Central which is interesting.

It was announced by the Premier on Social Media today.

The accompanying video was also uploaded to his YouTube channel, not the Departments or the Projects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrslrNTSY8I
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
A bit of common sense prevails.

Though will the mooted tram diversions (f rom Swanston Street) via the likes of King Street, Queen Street, etc be off the table ?
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Except for the occasional shut down, it does seem that trams will continue along Swanston Street for the duration of construction.

I'm interested in seeing some designs for how Melbourne Central will look - I really think its access does need a lot of work.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

August 11,  2016.  Shortlisted Bidders for Melbourne Metro project announced as  :

  • Continuum Victoria – comprising ACCIONA Infrastructure, Ferrovial Agroman, Honeywell, Downer EDI and Plenary Origination
  • Cross Yarra Partnership – comprising Lendlease Engineering, John Holland, Bouygues Construction and Capella Capital
  • Moving Melbourne Together – comprising Pacific Partnerships, CPB Contractors, Ghella, Salini Impregilo, Serco and Macquarie Capital

Shortlisted bidders to now submit detailed final proposals, with final contract to be awarded to successful tenderer in 2017 .
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Should have built the E**$T-W#$T Link instead.  At least it was funded.
Well that part of being funded is fully true...
I don't how some people can dislike/disagree with my original comment before hand when it's the truth and the facts...
Labor has a disastrous history when it comes to delivering major projects, i don't think we need to go into them all.
You can't commence this project with only having not even half the funding... It makes no sense...
All the preliminary work has to be done then they need full funding before they can even commence... Well that's how it should roll..
At least they start projects and get them going .
How many did Ted Ballieu`s government get off the ground during his term in office ?
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Should have built the E**$T-W#$T Link instead.  At least it was funded.
Well that part of being funded is fully true...
I don't how some people can dislike/disagree with my original comment before hand when it's the truth and the facts...
Labor has a disastrous history when it comes to delivering major projects, i don't think we need to go into them all.
You can't commence this project with only having not even half the funding... It makes no sense...
All the preliminary work has to be done then they need full funding before they can even commence... Well that's how it should roll..
At least they start projects and get them going .
How many did Ted Ballieu`s government get off the ground during his term in office ?
Crossover
An obvious comment on the funding.................

Given the state of politics in Australia in this day and age, ANY political party garranteeing funds for a project that extends past the next election is REALLY living in fairy land, remember at the moment in reality few projects these days have bi-partisan support, the liberals could easily cancel the project.

woodford
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Should have built the E**$T-W#$T Link instead.  At least it was funded.
Well that part of being funded is fully true...
I don't how some people can dislike/disagree with my original comment before hand when it's the truth and the facts...
Labor has a disastrous history when it comes to delivering major projects, i don't think we need to go into them all.
You can't commence this project with only having not even half the funding... It makes no sense...
All the preliminary work has to be done then they need full funding before they can even commence... Well that's how it should roll..
At least they start projects and get them going .
How many did Ted Ballieu`s government get off the ground during his term in office ?
An obvious comment on the funding.................

Given the state of politics in Australia in this day and age, ANY political party garranteeing funds for a project that extends past the next election is REALLY living in fairy land, remember at the moment in reality few projects these days have bi-partisan support, the liberals could easily cancel the project.

woodford
woodford
If the Liberals got elected in 2018 the project would be too far under construction to stop is the reality.
Given Bailleu and  Napthine did zilch for PT the chances of Liberals getting back in 2018 are  very low.  At least Andrews is getting things done, whereas the Co alition were in a paralysis of inaction for their whole 4 year term .

The East - West  Link is history and  Andrew Bolt and HUN need to get over it .
FACT  East - West link business case was a sham and did not stack up,  METRO business case is very sound .
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Should have built the E**$T-W#$T Link instead.  At least it was funded.
Well that part of being funded is fully true...
I don't how some people can dislike/disagree with my original comment before hand when it's the truth and the facts...
Labor has a disastrous history when it comes to delivering major projects, i don't think we need to go into them all.
You can't commence this project with only having not even half the funding... It makes no sense...
All the preliminary work has to be done then they need full funding before they can even commence... Well that's how it should roll..
At least they start projects and get them going .
How many did Ted Ballieu`s government get off the ground during his term in office ?
An obvious comment on the funding.................

Given the state of politics in Australia in this day and age, ANY political party garranteeing funds for a project that extends past the next election is REALLY living in fairy land, remember at the moment in reality few projects these days have bi-partisan support, the liberals could easily cancel the project.

woodford
If the Liberals got elected in 2018 the project would be too far under construction to stop is the reality.
Given Bailleu and  Napthine did zilch for PT the chances of Liberals getting back in 2018 are  very low.  At least Andrews is getting things done, whereas the Co alition were in a paralysis of inaction for their whole 4 year term .

The East - West  Link is history and  Andrew Bolt and HUN need to get over it .
FACT  East - West link business case was a sham and did not stack up,  METRO business case is very sound .
kuldalai
       Mr Guy seems very concerned re the effect of tunneling vibrations on the sensitive Medical equipment and patients in the major hospitals in Parkville .
       Fair enough ;one might say , except would this not have been an issue with his beloved East-West link as well ? It was to surface IN Royal Park within site of the Royal Children`s hospital as I recall . Or is building a Road tunnel somehow less vibration causing than building one for trains ?
       I remember back in the 80s similar issues were raised with the construction of the loop in conjunction with the Peter Macallum hospital in particular which was then in Little Lonsdale street .This seems to be resolvable .
        Cities around the world can cope with this issue .So can Melbourne
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

That wouldn't have worried Mr Guy. He would have simply rezoned the area as residential, and approved huge numbers of 20+ story apartment blocks. Lots of money in apartment blocks, it seems...
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Regarding the continued negative press surrounding the project does anyone else get the feeling the sky is obviously falling in when it comes to Metro rail?  This project will deliver some much benefit to rail commuters and car users alike.

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