Sydney Trains has no immediate plans to increase Inner West services

 
  gmanning1 Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/inner-west/sydney-trains-has-no-immediate-plans-to-increase-inner-west-services-despite-calls-from-commuters/news-story/9aa9d868e09b884eaa7aadac9f0979aa?nk=7ec4d246fb92ffdc278db0cb9fbea556-1471340474

It's my understanding that there is simply no more slots to run extra trains.

Is it time to investigate morning peak hour bus services direct to Central from the likes of Petersham, Stanmore, Newtown and MacDonaldtown if safety is an issue? Even Stanmore -> Newtown -> Erkinsville -> Redfern, then jump on an existing service from Redfern to the CBD.

What would be the logistics of using the turnback at Ashfield for perhaps one or two services in the morning peak? Could they achieve that?

Or is it just not possible without upsetting the rest of the western timetable?

I sympathise with the people in this story, but really, myself personally, I simply travel outside peak to avoid this.

It was a bit better after the 2013 timetable changes, but obviously becoming an issue again.

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  simstrain Chief Commissioner

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/inner-west/sydney-trains-has-no-immediate-plans-to-increase-inner-west-services-despite-calls-from-commuters/news-story/9aa9d868e09b884eaa7aadac9f0979aa?nk=7ec4d246fb92ffdc278db0cb9fbea556-1471340474

It's my understanding that there is simply no more slots to run extra trains.

Is it time to investigate morning peak hour bus services direct to Central from the likes of Petersham, Stanmore, Newtown and MacDonaldtown if safety is an issue? Even Stanmore -> Newtown -> Erkinsville -> Redfern, then jump on an existing service from Redfern to the CBD.

What would be the logistics of using the turnback at Ashfield for perhaps one or two services in the morning peak? Could they achieve that?

Or is just not possible without upsetting the rest of the western timetable?

I sympathise with the people in this story, but really, myself personally, I simply travel outside peak to avoid this.

It was a bit better after the 2013 timetable changes, but obviously becoming an issue again.
gmanning1
The problem stems from the fact there is no regent's park services anymore and the inner west trains terminating at Homebush instead of Ashfield. A return of all to ashfield services could help sort some of these issues by increasing capacity but the main issue is again to do with main south, inner west, northern and western line interconnection between Strathfield and redfern reducing capacity to 50% along this corridor.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
There is 4 trains per hour from Homebush, is it possible to get another 2 trains per hour only running from Ashfield?

Next issue, where will they go, I thought the tunnels were full? This would be a disaster, but the elephant in the room is the undertilised ESR. Or are we back at finishing the half built Central U/G platforms and using them as a terminus for some suburban services?

The City Metro will take the Bankstown traffic off the tunnels, thats 8 trains an hour for something else, although a bit complex in doing so but I'm sure Simstrain will have a few ideas.

The extension of the Metro to Liverpool would potentially get some loadings off the SW services.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Over crowded 4 trains per hour, pushing people onto buses and other modes of transport, I smell a Metro announcement!
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Over crowded 4 trains per hour, pushing people onto buses and other modes of transport, I smell a Metro announcement!
RTT_Rules
There isn't much that can be done aside from new track at either end of the path between Strathfield and Macdonaldtown.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Over crowded 4 trains per hour, pushing people onto buses and other modes of transport, I smell a Metro announcement!
RTT_Rules
Given the failure to get the windfall amounts they wanted from the Ausgrid sale (as discussed on another thread) it might be some time before the Metro line makes it to Liverpool. In fact I read the other day that they're now expecting the Metro to remain an orphan line for some years.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Over crowded 4 trains per hour, pushing people onto buses and other modes of transport, I smell a Metro announcement!
Given the failure to get the windfall amounts they wanted from the Ausgrid sale (as discussed on another thread) it might be some time before the Metro line makes it to Liverpool. In fact I read the other day that they're now expecting the Metro to remain an orphan line for some years.
don_dunstan

So they will go and find someone else to buy it that isn't Chinese or they will borrow money. This government will find the money because it has to. Unlike other states which rely solely on the federal government this is a go getter government that is building the infrastructure that should have been built over the last 20-30 years.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Yes there were other lower bidders, if that is not suitable I agree with Simstrain, they may look to borrow as the state is debt free and has plenty of options. Additionally the main funding wasn't due to start until 2018-19 and continue for another 5 years. Thats about $2Bpa from 2 years away, probably well within the future budget to fund with some trimmings elsewhere. The issue is the govt planned to build other stuff, not just the Metro. By 2025 the Metro needs to start from the Richmond Line (or the proposed industrial estate beyond) and finish at Liverpool to resolve alot of issues in the network.

Personal wish is that by 2030-35 there is a
- Epping to Paramatta Metro branch
- Nth Beaches Metro branch
- Inner West Metro branch

I believe the number stack up by then combined with top Paragraph, would resolve additional problems elsewhere such as capacity bottle neck on the Macdonald Town to Grandville section
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Plenty of time to announce other things yet. It will be well into the next election cycle before anything beyond the sydney metro is talked about. The next rail project after that is probably a rail connection to Badgery's creek or maybe several.
  gmanning1 Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney
There is 4 trains per hour from Homebush, is it possible to get another 2 trains per hour only running from Ashfield?
RTT_Rules

Looking at the morning peak T2 timetable, there are effectively 4 trains per hour all stops from Homebush, another 4 from Leppington which only stop at Strathfield and Ashfield, and another 4 from Liverpool stopping at Strathfield, Ashfield, then Newtown.

I'm assuming the worst spot for congestion would be at Newtown being at the end of the runs. Could one expect that even if the Leppington services stopped there they would still be full in any case and not really be helpful?

At Newtown would there be any difference between all stops and the Liverpool service in regards to the congestion?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Plenty of time to announce other things yet. It will be well into the next election cycle before anything beyond the sydney metro is talked about. The next rail project after that is probably a rail connection to Badgery's creek or maybe several.
simstrain
Not sure about announcement timing but the need for BC is well post 2030 and yes I'm aware its not just an airport line. But I suppose being out there it will be a low cost project and not really have a huge impact on CBD boardings.

What I'm trying to say is the priority is in the inner core, costly per km as it is but potentially lower in a cost/passenger km calculation than a low cost line past BC.
  Piston Train Controller

There comes a time when someone in government with enough balls states that the current rail system that feeds the city from all directions is at saturation point and there should be an end to any more building in the city of offices and residentials.

How will Wynyard cope when Barangaroo is fully on line with all the office workers swarming in and out at peak times? It is crowded now. They still want to keep building in the city.

Don't we have highly paid people in the Planning Section that can see this happening. Dr Bradfield vision has worked nearly 100 years later with his concepts but now they have reached their limit. There are certainly no more visionarys left any more like him. They only see to the next election.

Put up the Sydney full sign and stop trying to shoehorn more people into it than the rail system can handle.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Put up the Sydney full sign...
Piston
Bob Carr, is that you?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

There comes a time when someone in government with enough balls states that the current rail system that feeds the city from all directions is at saturation point and there should be an end to any more building in the city of offices and residentials.

How will Wynyard cope when Barangaroo is fully on line with all the office workers swarming in and out at peak times? It is crowded now. They still want to keep building in the city.

Don't we have highly paid people in the Planning Section that can see this happening. Dr Bradfield vision has worked nearly 100 years later with his concepts but now they have reached their limit. There are certainly no more visionarys left any more like him. They only see to the next election.

Put up the Sydney full sign and stop trying to shoehorn more people into it than the rail system can handle.
Piston

The new metro will solve the Barangaroo issue.

The problem with the current system is that 6 tracks turn into 4 tracks of suburban at Redfern. If there was another track pair through the city it would allow the system to gain a significant portion of the lost capacity in this section.
  Piston Train Controller

The new metro won't solve all of Wynyards capacity problem for existing travellers that come from the western, southern and northern lines.  They will use existing services that go to Wynyard. The metro will only deliver people from the north west and Bankstown line (if it ever gets that far) to Barrangaroo.

Bradfields plans had plenty of city lines that were planned and never eventuated. The lower Eastern Suburbs line at Town Hall were originally for a different planned city line that was to circle round and connect with an interchange at St James. Never happened.

Redfern and Central still have ghost platforms that were planned but never used and are still there today devoid of tracks.

No we don't have any engineers and planners with foresight these days. Bradfield was the last of them.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The new metro won't solve all of Wynyards capacity problem for existing travellers that come from the western, southern and northern lines.  They will use existing services that go to Wynyard. The metro will only deliver people from the north west and Bankstown line (if it ever gets that far) to Barrangaroo.

Bradfields plans had plenty of city lines that were planned and never eventuated. The lower Eastern Suburbs line at Town Hall were originally for a different planned city line that was to circle round and connect with an interchange at St James. Never happened.

Redfern and Central still have ghost platforms that were planned but never used and are still there today devoid of tracks.

No we don't have any engineers and planners with foresight these days. Bradfield was the last of them.
Piston
Wynyard is basically capped on its maximum capacity by the number of trains that can use the bridge and circle and this is pretty close to maxed out with trains already packed so no worries there.

The Metro will manage the growth beyond the capacity limits of the current network in the CBD.

Bradfield drew alot of lines on maps, so can anyone else and there are plenty who have and are doing. But it takes real money to build them. Bradfield was only able to build what the govt funded, hence why other aspects of his plan was never built.

I think the uncompleted UG platforms at Redfern and Central could be considered for terminating South Coast trains as others have indicated their designs are not suitable for high capacity lines.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The new metro won't solve all of Wynyards capacity problem for existing travellers that come from the western, southern and northern lines.  They will use existing services that go to Wynyard. The metro will only deliver people from the north west and Bankstown line (if it ever gets that far) to Barrangaroo.

Bradfields plans had plenty of city lines that were planned and never eventuated. The lower Eastern Suburbs line at Town Hall were originally for a different planned city line that was to circle round and connect with an interchange at St James. Never happened.

Redfern and Central still have ghost platforms that were planned but never used and are still there today devoid of tracks.

No we don't have any engineers and planners with foresight these days. Bradfield was the last of them.
Piston
Wrong. Interchanges at Epping and Chatswood will allow connection to the north and north shore lines along with new stations on the north shore. The west will have an interchange at Central and the ESR / Illawarra will have an interchange at Martin Place.

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