Emigrating from UK to australia advice

 
  swest Beginner

My Husband and i have for a long time been considering moving to australia from the UK for some time, but we wonder if there is the employment opportunity in Australia for his qualifications.
He has a IRSE licence for verification testing and a functional tester license, he has worked on the railway for about 20 years. I will list a few of the questions we currently have in the hope someone might know.

  1. If anyone has done the move how did you go about it? did you get the visa then find the job or find the job then get the visa?
  2. What company's and websites did you use to find work?
  3. Are the wages comfortable to live off?
  4. Has your quality of life improved compared to back in th UK?


We would just like any information you all feel would be useful Smile

Many Thanks

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  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
Firstly you need to get ANY qualifications verified that they are recognised in ALL States and the Territories.

You need to go to Australia House if it still exists or the High Commission for Australia to find out if your eligible to apply to emigrate here.

Once you get those two items sorted out, then you can investigate whats available and where it is in the Country.

As for 'Living Comfortably', I have never met anyone who couldnt spend more than they earn no matter how much their paid and as for Lifestyle, that depends on what YOU have now and what you want in the future.
  swest Beginner

Hi. Thanks Gordon for your reply.  His qualifications are use able in Australia and on the skills shortage list. What we our main concern is what way to go about  it visa first or employment first. We don't want to put in a application for a visa and have it refused because he has not found work or put in a job application and waste people's time because we haven't got the visa.                                         Our other concern is that the wages are much lower in Australia compared to here however if cost of living is lower too (something we need to find out ) then it would be a viable option.  
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Hi. Thanks Gordon for your reply.  His qualifications are use able in Australia and on the skills shortage list. What we our main concern is what way to go about  it visa first or employment first. We don't want to put in a application for a visa and have it refused because he has not found work or put in a job application and waste people's time because we haven't got the visa.                                         Our other concern is that the wages are much lower in Australia compared to here however if cost of living is lower too (something we need to find out ) then it would be a viable option.
swest

Australia is a mess and I would suggest you stay in England. Even with the Brexit you are still a million times better off then living here. Australia is no longer the lucky country and is continually being sold off to the highest bidder. This is why we have skill shortages because governments here are no longer interested in investing in it's own people. Manufacturing is about to cease completely within the next year or 2 and with it and other manufacturing closures and the downturn in the mining sector this country is on the brink of a depression.

Because Australia imports so much we are in debt with no way of reversing the debt cycle.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
I suggest you disregard the comment above. There are trolls everywhere and every forum has people who would still find a reason to disapprove if everyone was happier and more prosperous than they are now.

Essentially the advantages of Australia are:

  • We are one of the wealthiest countries in the world. Most people are prosperous by UK standards and there is very little real poverty except amongst people who are disabled by things like mental illness or drug addiction. We are the only developed country to have never had a recession in the past 25 years and we have relatively low sovereign debt.

  • There are more lifestyle options in Australia than almost anywhere else. You can choose to live in a hot climate or a cold one, you can live in the trendy inner suburbs of a bustling city of 5 million like Melbourne and Sydney or a remote and quiet little mountain town miles from nowhere. You can be any demographic (age, race, sexuality, political opinion, strange hobbies, etc.) and there will be lots of communities where you will fit in nicely. In Australia you have the personal liberty to be almost anyone, do almost anything and few will judge you in a negative light.

  • We have excellent services and infrastructure. People will always moan about roads, hospitals and similar things and while they are imperfect, objective sources like the Economist Intelligence Unit judge that they are the best in the world. So while there will always be lots of room for improvement, at the moment, nobody does it better than Australia.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I suggest you disregard the comment above. There are trolls everywhere and every forum has people who would still find a reason to disapprove if everyone was happier and more prosperous than they are now.

Essentially the advantages of Australia are:

  • We are one of the wealthiest countries in the world. Most people are prosperous by UK standards and there is very little real poverty except amongst people who are disabled by things like mental illness or drug addiction. We are the only developed country to have never had a recession in the past 25 years and we have relatively low sovereign debt.

  • There are more lifestyle options in Australia than almost anywhere else. You can choose to live in a hot climate or a cold one, you can live in the trendy inner suburbs of a bustling city of 5 million like Melbourne and Sydney or a remote and quiet little mountain town miles from nowhere. You can be any demographic (age, race, sexuality, political opinion, strange hobbies, etc.) and there will be lots of communities where you will fit in nicely. In Australia you have the personal liberty to be almost anyone, do almost anything and few will judge you in a negative light.

  • We have excellent services and infrastructure. People will always moan about roads, hospitals and similar things and while they are imperfect, objective sources like the Economist Intelligence Unit judge that they are the best in the world. So while there will always be lots of room for improvement, at the moment, nobody does it better than Australia.
Bogong

What trolling. I'm trying to help them from making a not so wise decision. Australia is seen as an economic powerhouse but currently that is not true. Everything that Howard setup for us. Rudd and Gillard threw away and neither Abbott or Turnbull are able to turn around the catastrophe we are heading for. Don't take my word for it. Just type Australia and recession into google and see the results.

Our debt is rising significantly every year and nothing can be done to stop it. Our unemployment numbers are much higher then what is actually being reported by the government because those numbers don't include our significant homeless which you can see outside Central and St James stations.

But don't just take my word for it. Instead of asking why don't you get a tourist visa and visit Australia and then you can see for yourself what I say is true. If you look you will find empty apartment buildings just like those you see in spain or greece. Big new apartment blocks with nobody living in them because nobody can afford them.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Well I think you'll find that every other developed country has the flaws you mention, or similar ones, or frequently even worse ones.

I didn't say Australia was perfect, far from it. I merely pointed out that Australia had managed to do things better than any other place on earth.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Well I think you'll find that every other developed country has the flaws you mention, or similar ones, or frequently even worse ones.

I didn't say Australia was perfect, far from it. I merely pointed out that Australia had managed to do things better than any other place on earth.
Bogong

Have we.

Under Howard we had a surplus and what is the first thing Rudd did once elected. Waste it on pink bat scheme, NBN and a $800 payment to people. Most of whom weren't even Australians who received this money.

We have a high percentage of youth on the dole and courtesy of Abbott we will have no automotive manufacturing after 2017 which will result in at least 100,000 people being unemployed. We only have 2 steel mills left in this country and both of those are on the verge of collapse. The aluminium smelter in Geelong is gone. We have no cloth making factories. Governments and companies continue to buy things from overseas instead of building them in Australia.

The reason we have skills shortages is because we don't have industries any more. Heck even the mining sector is on a downturn at the moment which is putting even more pressure on the budget.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
Lets get back to basics in answering your questions.
If you pass the criteria to be able to obtain a Visa, before it was granted I am guessing you would need to provide proof of employment as the Government has tightened up on people obtaining unemployment benefits and health care costs.
We do have a similar system to the UK NHS BUT it has its own quirks and one Party are always looking for ways and means to introduce fees regarding Doctor and Hospital charges to be borne directly by the patient.
Costs are costs no matter where you live so if you earn 500 Pounds or Dollars a week and you 'outgoings' are 600 then your certainly going to be in financial trouble.
Here in Australia unlike the UK from what I have heard, we have a MINIMUM Basic Wage for Everyone, this is set by the Government and NO ONE can be paid LESS than that amount although some do try.
Until very recent times, we were very Unionised but that is changing but in principle, you cant be paid less than the award wage for that occupation, Trades and Professions usually charge what ever they can screw out of anyone but the average Street sweeper and Window washer all get the same hourly rate.

For some the different lifestyle has more than compensated them for other losses they may have experienced but for others, its been totally unacceptable and they have returned home although some after doing that have 'backflipped' and returned to OZ, there aint no pleasing everybody.
In the past there was those known as 'Whinging Poms', ie those from the UK who bemoaned the fact they had come to OZ BUT amazingly, they rarely if ever made any attempt to return even for a visit so it cant have been too bad here.

I worked with a fellow born in the Midlands whose hobby was fishing and he drove some 300 miles each way to this particular Trout fishing area and he said 'Back Home, going 25 miles to Blackpool for his Holidays was considered a major event but here, just a short step'.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

Australia is a mess and I would suggest you stay in England. Even with the Brexit you are still a million times better off then living here. Australia is no longer the lucky country and is continually being sold off to the highest bidder. This is why we have skill shortages because governments here are no longer interested in investing in it's own people. Manufacturing is about to cease completely within the next year or 2 and with it and other manufacturing closures and the downturn in the mining sector this country is on the brink of a depression.

Because Australia imports so much we are in debt with no way of reversing the debt cycle.
simstrain

That is totally and unequivocally WRONG information

The enquiry came from people in England who are looking for un-biased information to assist them in making a profound life changing decision.

I'm generally speaking a Labor supporter and IMO it doesn't matter which political party is in office, Australia is indeed the lucky country whether it's governed by Conservatives or Labor. You don't think the UK or USA 'import so much' as well Question

Australia still has a Triple AAA credit rating from all three credit rating agencies.

Australia's debt is barely 25% of GDP, making it a very prosperous country indeed, and certainly better than the USA or UK.

Australia was virtually the only western democracy to ride out the GFC without going into a recession.

Please ignore that poster 'swest'...that person is obviously not thinking clearly.

***RANT OVER***

Mike.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Thanks for supporting my position Viney. But I think we just have to accept that there will always be some people who are a misery guts about everything and be tolerant enough to leave them to stew in their own negative appraisals of almost anything in the known universe.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Well I think you'll find that every other developed country has the flaws you mention, or similar ones, or frequently even worse ones.

I didn't say Australia was perfect, far from it. I merely pointed out that Australia had managed to do things better than any other place on earth.
Bogong
Australia had managed to do things better than any other place on earth......

By guess, by God, by good luck or by accident?
  swest Beginner

Thankyou all for your replys Smile


The reasons we want to move are largely to do with lifestyle not politics, i like the outdoor and i hate the british weather it is supposed to be the middle of summer and its been pouring with rain for 2 days and we are in woolly jumpers with the heating on. Our houses are tiny in comparison to yours, i have been to Australia as a teenager and loved it. We want to be able to enjoy our days off work going scuba diving, snorkeling and horse riding all sports we do at home.  I know if financially we can afford it Australia would be a country i would love to live in as would my Husband. I also want to experience a new country, the thought of living the rest of my life in the UK is quite frankly depressing. Our biggest concern is our finances and securing a visa and work as we need all 3 to work for it to be viable, and if Australia is not what we want we could always come home although i really can't imagine i would ever want to come home, no place can surely be bad enough to sit in the uk during another British summer.  
We just really need to know about securing work as a signalling engineer and where you look, what companys to apply to and what companys are worth avoiding. Smile
  swest Beginner

Thankyou all for your replys Smile


The reasons we want to move are largely to do with lifestyle not politics, i like the outdoor and i hate the british weather it is supposed to be the middle of summer and its been pouring with rain for 2 days and we are in woolly jumpers with the heating on. Our houses are tiny in comparison to yours, i have been to Australia as a teenager and loved it. We want to be able to enjoy our days off work going scuba diving, snorkeling and horse riding all sports we do at home.  I know if financially we can afford it Australia would be a country i would love to live in as would my Husband. I also want to experience a new country, the thought of living the rest of my life in the UK is quite frankly depressing. Our biggest concern is our finances and securing a visa and work as we need all 3 to work for it to be viable, and if Australia is not what we want we could always come home although i really can't imagine i would ever want to come home, no place can surely be bad enough to sit in the uk during another British summer.  
We just really need to know about securing work as a signalling engineer and where you look, what companys to apply to and what companys are worth avoiding. Smile
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Depending on where you want to live, there's a number of potential employers. The biggest ones would include Aurizon, which owns the a 3000km heavy haul coal network in Queensland, almost entirely signalled with CTC; then there's QR, which has an extensively CTC signalled 7000km urban and regional network throughout the rest of Queensland. The ARTC has an extensively signalled interstate and intrastate network throughout NSW, Victoria and South Australia; Brookfield has an extensive CTC controlled network in Western Australia, as do the big Pilbara miners BHP-Billiton and Rio Tinto. I'm sure someone can give additional details on the urban networks in Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Thankyou all for your replys Smile


The reasons we want to move are largely to do with lifestyle not politics, i like the outdoor and i hate the british weather it is supposed to be the middle of summer and its been pouring with rain for 2 days and we are in woolly jumpers with the heating on. Our houses are tiny in comparison to yours, i have been to Australia as a teenager and loved it. We want to be able to enjoy our days off work going scuba diving, snorkeling and horse riding all sports we do at home.  I know if financially we can afford it Australia would be a country i would love to live in as would my Husband. I also want to experience a new country, the thought of living the rest of my life in the UK is quite frankly depressing. Our biggest concern is our finances and securing a visa and work as we need all 3 to work for it to be viable, and if Australia is not what we want we could always come home although i really can't imagine i would ever want to come home, no place can surely be bad enough to sit in the uk during another British summer.  
We just really need to know about securing work as a signalling engineer and where you look, what companys to apply to and what companys are worth avoiding. Smile
swest

If it's for the weather then yes you can get warmer weather here. Bear in mind that in winter it still gets cold in the southern parts of the country with winds blowing off the Antarctic ocean can drive temperatures down towards 0 degrees Celsius in winter. In summer you are looking at temperatures in the 30's and 40's at most times on the mainland in the capitals.

Just keep in mind that things are more expensive here, especially with the weak Australian dollar. Rail isn't funded anywhere near as much as it is in Europe and that cars dominate transport here.

As for jobs these are the places to look.
1. ARTC on a national level that runs a standard gauge network.
2. Sydney trains is in NSW and runs a standard gauge network.
3. Sydney Metro is a new metro network which will be driverless.
4. Metro and Vline in Victoria run on a broad gauge network.
5. Queensland rail in Queensland that runs a narrow gauge network of passenger and freight.
6. Transperth is a narrow gauge passenger network in Western Australia.
7. Adelaide Metro has a small rail network in broad gauge.
8. Tasrail is a narrow gauge network in Tasmania.

Maybe there are some other companies that others know about.

If your interested in trams then here are some other options.

Melbourne has the largest tram network in the world.

Sydney, Adelaide and the Gold Coast have light rail systems with expansion happening or proposed.

Canberra has a light rail network soon to be under constriction.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

I did the same years ago and never regretted it. Your rail skills won't be as pigeon holed and you will find a full variety of signalling systems in urban, long distance, remote heavy haul etc. Follow the work before you decide where to settle. There are signalling companies in the UK with operations in Australia, talk to them, there are rail specialist agencies, talk to them, put your details on LinkedIn and people will contact you. If you have listed skills, you can get a Migrant Visa like I did or if you get a job, they will help with your visa. Just do it, it sounds like the lifestyle will suit you perfectly. Good luck!
Incidentally, the IRSE has chapters in Australia, they have a meeting in Adelaide next week.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
Be aware that most likely a 'Signaling Engineer' would be employed on a performance based contract for a specified term and as such are not covered by Award regulations.
Regreatably today most dont take a job for life but are short term contracts instead.
I am not sure where you would stand regarding unemployment benefits if for some reason you (Hubby) and his employer had a 'Parting of the Ways' as you may NOT be eligible to receive any.

You may find there could be agencies in the UK who 'Head Hunt' for people with your husbands qualifications and as such can guide you through the process of migrating BUT check every thing they tell you with the appropriate OZ govt dept to ensure their information is correct.
I say this after seeing a TV show called Border Control who have stopped people entering OZ because they were misinformed by a so called 'Immigration agent' in the UK.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Just don't come by boat, coz you'll be put in a concentration camp, indefinitely.
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
Ageism is rife in employment selection in Australia.

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