Banana Gate

 
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

It does seem odd that that a banana ends up on national news coverage probably because a player in the side is aboriginal ?

If it was Barry hall or Adam Cooney then would not even make news.
freightgate
Yeah and the Fan would not throw it at Cooney or Hall and that is like kind of the point isn't it? The throwing of a banana at a black player is insinuating that he is sub human.


Michael

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Didn't sheedy get food thrown at him at one point. Jacko has beer thrown at him.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Or am I wrong here,
Yes. It is not a media beat-up...

The reason it got media attention is that there is still 1% (or 2% if you include certain trainspotters) of the population that still. Doesn't. Get. It.
DirtyBallast
Here here!
I doubt the average white person here receives the same ‘attention’ as indigenous, Middle Eastern, Asian or African Australians.

Those that feel the need to defend someone that is at best ignorant at worst a racist are simply reflecting their own intolerance.

Another time another place and they’re the sort of people supporting or perpetrating a Mississippi lynching, an ISIS beheading, an SS beating.  Your typical small-minded ratbags.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Didn't sheedy get food thrown at him at one point. Jacko has beer thrown at him.
freightgate
Whoosh!
  Michelle12 Moderator Photo Overlord

Location: Melbourne
Didn't sheedy get food thrown at him at one point. Jacko has beer thrown at him.
freightgate
North Melbourne supporters pelted Sheedy with marshmellows.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Didn't sheedy get food thrown at him at one point. Jacko has beer thrown at him.
North Melbourne supporters pelted Sheedy with marshmellows.
Michelle12

Did Sheedy go home and play the gender, race, religion, colour, creed, disability, height, weight, affect, hair colour, foot size, number of teeth left or other card?
  Michelle12 Moderator Photo Overlord

Location: Melbourne
Didn't sheedy get food thrown at him at one point. Jacko has beer thrown at him.
North Melbourne supporters pelted Sheedy with marshmellows.

Did Sheedy go home and play the gender, race, religion, colour, creed, disability, height, weight, affect, hair colour, foot size, number of teeth left or other card?
bevans
Nah, Sheeds just took it in 'good spirit' and 'rolled with the punches'
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Some thoughts on the subject............

First READ THIS CAREFULLY,,
Now I do understand the problem with ANY kind of hatred, including racial, all the same I am disturb that apparently anyone no matter what colour can can yell anything they like at a white player, but ANY abuse at a coloured player is racialy motivated. YOU simply CANNOT have a distinct rule for one group, that is inherently discriminatory.

As I understand it (I do not follow football as a general rule) we STILL live in a society when one is innocent until proven guilty. In this case the person concerned has not been charged and found guilty and the current negative attention she is getting IS NO BETTER than the SS/klu klux klan or whatever..

Last obvious point football (AFL not THAT round ball game) supporters are almost invariably ultra passionate, how many would or even can think clearly enough in the heat of the battle to watch every word they say
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Simply a media gab fest.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
apparently anyone no matter what colour can can yell anything they like at a white player, but ANY abuse at a coloured player is racialy motivated. YOU simply CANNOT have a distinct rule for one group, that is inherently discriminatory.
woodford
Throwing ANY object over the fence to a player has ALWAYS been illegal. THAT is the consistency in the law that you conveniently ignore, whether the player is black, white, or pink with purple spots.
Betts or any other player DID NOT point to the woman and complain of racism. She has ADMITTED that the throwing of the banana was racially motivated. it is HER, not HIM.
You are clearly in the 2% of which I referred to.
Don't.
Just don't.
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

Didn't sheedy get food thrown at him at one point. Jacko has beer thrown at him.
North Melbourne supporters pelted Sheedy with marshmellows.

Did Sheedy go home and play the gender, race, religion, colour, creed, disability, height, weight, affect, hair colour, foot size, number of teeth left or other card?
bevans
Sigh!!! The reason why Sheedy got pelted with Marshmellows is well documented. The North Melbourne fans pelted him because he had a spat with their chairman and said that the Kangaroos were soft in the centre and called them marshmellows. Much as you should not throw things at anyone, he got pelted because he got stuck into North Melbourne, not because he is of Irish descent, not because he was white, but because of his actions. Eddie Betts was minding his own business celebrating with his teammates, had absolutely no interaction with the woman and she throws a banana at him. Because he is black, end of, and the woman has admitted as such. And you know what Betts handled the affair so well and you Bevans are still getting on his case, sticking up for some stupid woman who feels the need to disrespect a footballer because of his race. He handled it so well and he has every right to feel p...sed off!!

Michael
  allan Chief Commissioner
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
Fined and barred... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-23/banana-throwing-football-fan-fined-by-sa-police/7777840
allan
Fair enough. Throwing a banana was pretty lame.

Outta cheese sandwiches? Evil or Very Mad
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
And Jason Dunstall being called 'silver back'? That must have been racist too?
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I do not agree with her actions but as we are all apes as Aaron pointed out there should be one rule for everyone black or white. But there is not though. The way things are heading these days we will pretty soon be an apathehide nation like South Africa was one set of laws for blacks and one set of laws for whites. We don't want that here in Australia though.

So if someone yells at you and calls you an ape should you be offended, after all it is only the truth. But too many today do not want to know the truth though.

As I said all of a  media circus, slow news day or media gab fest as someone said and over nothing really.

Sportsmen like footballers probably get called a lot worse by their own coaches when either a player or the team do not play well.  I have heard several over the years mouth of at their own team to try and get them to pull their fingers out and play better.
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

And Jason Dunstall being called 'silver back'? That must have been racist too?
Aaron
Yes if it were black people calling him that! Totally racist, but it was Sam Newman who called him a silverback!!

Michael
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

I do not agree with her actions but as we are all apes as Aaron pointed out there should be one rule for everyone black or white. But there is not though. The way things are heading these days we will pretty soon be an apathehide nation like South Africa was one set of laws for blacks and one set of laws for whites. We don't want that here in Australia though.

So if someone yells at you and calls you an ape should you be offended, after all it is only the truth. But too many today do not want to know the truth though.

As I said all of a  media circus, slow news day or media gab fest as someone said and over nothing really.

Sportsmen like footballers probably get called a lot worse by their own coaches when either a player or the team do not play well.  I have heard several over the years mouth of at their own team to try and get them to pull their fingers out and play better.
David Peters
but as we are all apes as Aaron pointed out.

And that is meant to validate that woman's actions? What an absolute sham of an argument. You are either being very naive, ignorant or both. The lady has admitted that she threw at Betts for reasons of race.

Here should be one rule for everyone black or white. But there is not though.

I would love to here your examples of this. You are clearly saying that blacks get special treatment, sorry but that is utter crap.

The way things are heading these days we will pretty soon be an apathehide nation like South Africa was one set of laws for blacks and one set of laws for whites.

Who told you that, Andrew Bolt? Are you serious? So you think that a group of Indigenous people are going to take over the country, herd white people to the middle of the desert and create white homelands, stop them from riding in the same trains as black people and deny them the vote, because that is what happened in South Africa to black people. To compare the banning of some thoughtless woman to the one of the saddest chapters in world history, is totally offensive.

Sportsmen like footballers probably get called a lot worse by their own coaches when either a player or the team do not play well.  I have heard several over the years mouth of at their own team to try and get them to pull their fingers out and play better.

So? Irrelevant coaches are not yelling at anyone because of their race.

In any case, look I do not believe she is a racist, but even so what she did was terrible & racist, because it was Betts 250th game, he is an absolute champion and there is no way she would have thrown that banana at a white player celebrating his 250th game. Betts had been totally disrepected in his milestone game, and he handled it with grace. Could not have handled it better, and you put up some stupid arguments to justify what was a stupid act.

Michael
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
It was a lot more than just Sam Newman.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
...put up some stupid arguments to justify what was a stupid act. Michael
mejhammers1
Hit it on the nail. I don't know if Aaron is trying to be controversial or he really thinks that way.

It’s 2016 not 1956 and whilst most of society has moved there are still those entrenched in their ignorance and intolerance. Going by some posts about minorities, perhaps RP’s demographic reflects that era?    

What we have here are the perpetrators (active or passive) telling their victims to suck it up. Mad

These people who have no f’ing clue or care what it’s like to cop this sh#t from the day you were born or arrived here because you look, pray or talk different.

Imagine their outrage if he took that banana smeared it in her face and replied “who’s the monkey now”. Razz
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Here should be one rule for everyone black or white. But there is not though.
I would love to here your examples of this. You are clearly saying that blacks get special treatment, sorry but that is utter crap.
mejhammers1

I know you didn't aim this question at me, but...

First some background: I am a white male born in England. I have lived in this country for over 50 years. My wife is part aboriginal and I have had a lot to do with aboriginal and Torres Strait islander people, many of whom are my good friends. I say this in an attempt to demonstrate that I actually know what I'm talking about. Now...

A "black" person (aboriginal or Torres Street islander) can call a fellow "black" person "Black fella" etc and can call a "white" person "White fella" etc without causing offence. However a "white" person cannot do the same without causing offence. Anyone can call a white (or black) car/house/dog/horse etc as such without causing offence. Why not the same with people? It is a stupid world we live in...
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

Here should be one rule for everyone black or white. But there is not though.
I would love to here your examples of this. You are clearly saying that blacks get special treatment, sorry but that is utter crap.

I know you didn't aim this question at me, but...

First some background: I am a white male born in England. I have lived in this country for over 50 years. My wife is part aboriginal and I have had a lot to do with aboriginal and Torres Strait islander people, many of whom are my good friends. I say this in an attempt to demonstrate that I actually know what I'm talking about. Now...

A "black" person (aboriginal or Torres Street islander) can call a fellow "black" person "Black fella" etc and can call a "white" person "White fella" etc without causing offence. However a "white" person cannot do the same without causing offence. Anyone can call a white (or black) car/house/dog/horse etc as such without causing offence. Why not the same with people? It is a stupid world we live in...
Graham4405
No one should be offended by the use of colour and if this is the case we should get over it unless it is used in an offensive manner. Simply calling someone a black fella or a white fella is not offensive. With that I agree.

What I have an issue with is that people use this as an argument as to why we cannot have reconciliation between blacks and whites in Australia. Forget about the decades of racism that Indigenous people have endured over the years, the lack of respect, the fact that most non-indigenous people just do not have any time for Indigenous people, the fact that for a long time they did not have the same rights. No if only those darkies weren't so touchy, we could move on and have reconciliation.

So here we have an Incident, involving a champion of the AFL playing a milestone game, and some numb nut throws a banana at him, something that would not happen to a white player. He hears about it and he expressed disappointment, (rightly so) that this is still happening. And he handled it with such grace. And yet through all that people are cheesed off just because he had expressed disappointment. Like somehow he should just put up with this disrespect because it is all in a day's fun. Getting their pants in a twist and quoting that Apartheid is happening here and their freedom of speech is curtailed. In the meanwhile some are angry that we have a Indigenous round calling it divisive. So acknowledging Indigenous players and their contribution to the AFL is divisive but someone throwing a banana at an indigenous player is an act of reconciliation?

Clearly we have a long way to go

Michael
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

It was a lot more than just Sam Newman.
Aaron
Yes and I bet not one person threw a banana at him when he was playing and I would hazard a guess that very few if any non white people had called him a silverback.

Michael
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
There are rules for whites and blacks these days though as someone pointed out but some people are blind to see it. It happens everywhere. A black indigenous person goes to court and gets slapped on the wrist and told to front up to his tribal elders for punishment is not my idea of equal rights!

A white person would more than likely be fined or thrown in jail. It does not happen all the time though granted but it does happen. Which is really apathied is it not but masquerading as equal rights. How many white people get told to front up to their tribal elders for punishment, I don't think you would find any do.

I can understand that indigenous people might need some laws but when courts etc do things like above it leaves you speechless actually. There is supposed to be one set of laws for everyone, but obviously in some cases there are two.

If someone murders someone else I dont care if you you are black, white purple or green you do the crime you do the time, one law for all. After all that is what the indigenous people want equality with the whites.

As for Eddie Betts yes he is a good footballer and I know a few indigenous players that are, but he is still a sportsman that should shrug things off like as just some stupid fan who got a bit worked up. The media blew it up out of all proportion though, like they usually do.


I have a indigenous friend and his real first name is Nigger, it is on his birth certificate as his first name. So now by the looks of the law I cannot call him Nigger can I. I have already been called out on that years back at a railway station when I got off, of the train and said to him standing there "Hey Nigger", and some woman told me not to address him like that as I was racist. He then told the woman it was his real name and to shut the hell up as this bloke is my friend! What should I call him now though as I cannot use the term nigger any more!
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

There are rules for whites and blacks these days though as someone pointed out but some people are blind to see it. It happens everywhere. A black indigenous person goes to court and gets slapped on the wrist and told to front up to his tribal elders for punishment is not my idea of equal rights!

A white person would more than likely be fined or thrown in jail. It does not happen all the time though granted but it does happen. Which is really apathied is it not but masquerading as equal rights. How many white people get told to front up to their tribal elders for punishment, I don't think you would find any do.

I can understand that indigenous people might need some laws but when courts etc do things like above it leaves you speechless actually. There is supposed to be one set of laws for everyone, but obviously in some cases there are two.

If someone murders someone else I dont care if you you are black, white purple or green you do the crime you do the time, one law for all. After all that is what the indigenous people want equality with the whites.

As for Eddie Betts yes he is a good footballer and I know a few indigenous players that are, but he is still a sportsman that should shrug things off like as just some stupid fan who got a bit worked up. The media blew it up out of all proportion though, like they usually do.


I have a indigenous friend and his real first name is Nigger, it is on his birth certificate as his first name. So now by the looks of the law I cannot call him Nigger can I. I have already been called out on that years back at a railway station when I got off, of the train and said to him standing there "Hey Nigger", and some woman told me not to address him like that as I was racist. He then told the woman it was his real name and to shut the hell up as this bloke is my friend! What should I call him now though as I cannot use the term nigger any more!
David Peters
Which is really apathied

David it is apartheid and you have no idea what it means, let alone how to spell it, please look it up.

And you know what David, if you used nigger to address me as a black man I would abuse the crap out of you, seriously.

A black indigenous person goes to court and gets slapped on the wrist and told to front up to his tribal elders for punishment is not my idea of equal rights!

So you are saying that if an Indigenous person murders someone they get away with it? Please show me some examples. Anyway, all those Indigenous people in detention is a figment of your imagination is it?

As for Eddie Betts yes he is a good footballer and I know a few indigenous players that are, but he is still a sportsman that should shrug things off like as just some stupid fan who got a bit worked up.

Why the hell should he? Are you serious? Again do you think that would have happened to a white player? On his milestone game? That alone the lady should have been taken to the cleaners. I and many other people have explained to you. Eddie Betts handled it with grace, he never called the woman a racist, he was disappointed that in his own country (and you would do well to remember this) that this sort of crap still happens. If you cannot see that what that lady did was disrespectful well whatever. Again you are either naive, ignorant or both.  

You are come across as an old conservative dude, who is whining because he cannot call black people niggers and be totally disrespectful to groups that he does not understand or does not want to understand, ignores the racism and prejudice that they face and yet in the same breath wants sympathy because he cannot utter disrespectful remarks anymore and talks about how hard done by he is. Walk a mile in an Indigenous Person's shoe, or a gay person's or a Muslim.


Michael
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
... Walk a mile in an Indigenous Person's shoe, or a gay person's or a Muslim. Michael
mejhammers1
You're arguing logic with people clutching to justify such sh#t.

Anyway interesting stories Rolling Eyes Back to the matter at hand. Turns out this person is a piece of work.
Such sh#t can't be condoned in 2016.

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