SAR 620-Class

 
  Alco_Haulic Chief Commissioner

Location: Eating out...
SAR 620

I found this image the other night on Flickr, and I was wondering, does anybody know when 620 lost it's one piece headlight/chimney casting? I had been under the impression it retained it till retirement.

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  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
The grille it lost in later years after 1936 as the grille had to be removed to get to the Smokebox door. So it would not be popular with drivers etc that had to clean ash etc out of the smokebox. The headlight casing lasted into the 1950's as I have a copy of a photo of 620 still with it, dated in the early 1950's. I would assume as soon as the headlight failed in service it was replaced with a normal headlight as used on other locomotives, as the one on 620 was only a Brill railcar headlight in a fancy housing and the headlight itself would not have been that bright.


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  Alco_Haulic Chief Commissioner

Location: Eating out...
Thanks for that David.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Beautiful looking locomotive.
  MaskedRailfan Train Controller

Great shot David! Is that on the triangle at Morgan?
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I am not actually sure where it is or who is the photographer as it was sent to me possibly 4th hand or something. But it appears to be on a triangle somewhere but where is a moot point!
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Great shot David! Is that on the triangle at Morgan?
MaskedRailfan
I would suggest that the site is Eudunda with the loco returning to the main line.

Points in favour are the phone lines running along the track in the fore ground and the LX immediately behind the loco which could be the Eudunda/Morgan road. That track layout does not match Morgan. The problem is the shed in the background at the right of the picture. The vegetation is more like that of Morgan unless it was a very dry year at Eudunda.
  Alco_Haulic Chief Commissioner

Location: Eating out...
IIRC Morgan had a turntable, not a triangle. Could it have been at Roberstown? As the resources I have indicate Eudunda had a 60' turntable.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Morgan's turntable was replaced by a triangle, cut into the hill.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

IIRC Morgan had a turntable, not a triangle. Could it have been at Roberstown? As the resources I have indicate Eudunda had a 60' turntable.
Alco_Haulic
A 620 could not be turned on a 60' table. Eudunda had a triangle off the main line at the Morgan end.

Robertstown triangle off the yard as set out much like Willunga or Wilmington.
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
I believe DP's photo is definately Morgan with the old Morgan Hospital in the background, Morgan's 60' turntable is still there Duttonbay.

Wayne
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

I believe DP's photo is definately Morgan with the old Morgan Hospital in the background, Morgan's 60' turntable is still there Duttonbay.
hosk1956
Yes, after I posted that I remembered that the triangle didn't physically replace the turntable. What would have used the turntable in lieu of the triangle? Brills or Rx class locos?
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
I believe DP's photo is definately Morgan with the old Morgan Hospital in the background, Morgan's 60' turntable is still there Duttonbay.
Yes, after I posted that I remembered that the triangle didn't physically replace the turntable. What would have used the turntable in lieu of the triangle? Brills or Rx class locos?
duttonbay
I don't know if anything would have used the turntable, being of the 'armstrong' type I wonder if any crew that had to turn would rather use the triangle than push the turntable around, I know I would!

Wayne
  Alco_Haulic Chief Commissioner

Location: Eating out...
I believe DP's photo is definately Morgan with the old Morgan Hospital in the background, Morgan's 60' turntable is still there Duttonbay.
Yes, after I posted that I remembered that the triangle didn't physically replace the turntable. What would have used the turntable in lieu of the triangle? Brills or Rx class locos?
duttonbay
Yep, realised later in the day that a triangle had been added at Morgan, otherwise how would they have turned the larger engines like the 520's.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Done some digging about that photo and it is most definitely Morgan c 1953 and it is a late Arnold Lockyer photo!
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
Bearing in mind Steam4Ian, the road layout at Morgan was different back then, the sweeping S bend that now goes down to the ferry was built after the railway was removed, the road used to go down past the Landseer building and turn left and down under the railway between the abutments that are still there.
The triangle was unusual in that it really didn't use a leg of the mainline, it branched of at the start of the yard, the first leg went up and paralleled aptly named Railway Tce (in front of the pubs), the second leg curved around past the Landseer warehouse and up the gully, the third leg went back in front of the hospital and rejoined the mainline on the Adelaide side of the first leg point. It must have had some good steep grades in it but it was only engines so I suppose it didn't matter.

Wayne
  MaskedRailfan Train Controller

Did the Railway Terrace leg of the triangle make it up as far as the pubs? I could see the loco parked out the front & the crew stopping in for crib!
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
Did the Railway Terrace leg of the triangle make it up as far as the pubs? I could see the loco parked out the front & the crew stopping in for crib!
MaskedRailfan
I don't think it did Adz, I have been trying to get a plan of the yard to overlay on Google maps but with little success so far, I suppose I should have said it went up near Railway Tce rather paralleled it,  I don't think it would have been much of a walk to the pub though.
Did you know Harry Black the sparkie in your time? He bought the old Morgan Hospital and lived in retirement up there, not many people could claim to have a morgue as a shed!

Wayne
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Did the Railway Terrace leg of the triangle make it up as far as the pubs? I could see the loco parked out the front & the crew stopping in for crib!
MaskedRailfan
A former Bluebird driver once remarked to me that during floods the Bluebirds used the triangle to terminate - right outside the pubs!
  MaskedRailfan Train Controller

Did you know Harry Black the sparkie in your time?
Yes, he was one of the diesel electrical section bosses when I was an apprentice. I think everyone was scared of him, but perhaps his bark was worse than his bite!
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
Did you know Harry Black the sparkie in your time?
Yes, he was one of the diesel electrical section bosses when I was an apprentice. I think everyone was scared of him, but perhaps his bark was worse than his bite!
MaskedRailfan
He was probably the greatest foreign'ee man when he was on the floor, I was a regular client LOL.

Google maps show some track still in the roadway out front of the Landseer's warehouse on street view, I will be back up there in November so I will put my feet on the ground and see what else can be found regard the triangle.

Wayne
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
Did the Railway Terrace leg of the triangle make it up as far as the pubs? I could see the loco parked out the front & the crew stopping in for crib!
A former Bluebird driver once remarked to me that during floods the Bluebirds used the triangle to terminate - right outside the pubs!
kipioneer
The line diagram I have is not accurate or to scale at all, but it shows the Railway Tce tail at 220' long so maybe it did go up to the pubs, the North West Bend article in the Modelling Railways of SA notes shows a layout that predates the triangle, it shows the Railway Tce leg as a headshunt to a siding that I presume goes to the Landseer warehouse, the tail appears to be even longer. that headshunt and tail formed 2 legs of the later triangle. Curiously the 1960 drawing (more of a sketch) does not show the turntable, so maybe it wasn't connected or was deemed not usable?

Wayne
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
IIRC Morgan had a turntable, not a triangle. Could it have been at Roberstown? As the resources I have indicate Eudunda had a 60' turntable.
A 620 could not be turned on a 60' table. Eudunda had a triangle off the main line at the Morgan end.

Robertstown triangle off the yard as set out much like Willunga or Wilmington.
steam4ian
Adelaide's turntable was a 60 foot T/T and I and a couple of hundred other people witnessed 621 being turned on it years back. It was a very tight squeeze though and thrashed the the electric motor etc as the T/T was electric, but you would be right in saying a 620 could not be turned on a 60Ft T/T especially if it was an armstrong one! 621 was turned here though, I think it was in a steam festival years back the actual date escapes me now. But it did happen though.

621 fitted on by mere inches the wheelbase that is but there was a lot of overhang. It was done to save time going all the way to Mile End turning and then coming back.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Providing the wheels fit and you can get a reasonable balance (take water first) there should be no problem. The Poms even had a sort of cantilever extension on some turntables upon which the leading wheels of the loco could be run up beyond the end of the turntable proper.
Always looked dodgy to me............

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