Kippa Ring Timetable Complaints

 
  phil_48 Chief Train Controller

Location: Wynnum North
ABC radio taking many calls complaining this morning about Petrie ( now Kippa Ring ) trains no longer stopping at Toombul ( Caboolture trains already express ). Most of these residents complaining lived from Petrie inwards who have shopped or worked at Toombul Shoppingtown for years and now have to get off at Northgate or Eagle Junc. and change trains for a 2 or 1 station journey.

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  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

ABC radio taking many calls complaining this morning about Petrie ( now Kippa Ring ) trains no longer stopping at Toombul ( Caboolture trains already express ). Most of these residents complaining lived from Petrie inwards who have shopped or worked at Toombul Shoppingtown for years and now have to get off at Northgate or Eagle Junc. and change trains for a 2 or 1 station journey.
phil_48
Just proves how backwards people in qld are. (i am one of them).
Every single other rail system in the world lives with express services.   I want a express train that stops only at the 2 stations i want.
  2115A Locomotive Driver

I do not live in Brisbane but I was surprised when looking at the new  timetables for Caboolture and Kippa Ring.

Passengers from north of Petrie now have to change trains if they wish to get off at any station between Petrie and Northgate.
Passengers from stations between Northgate and Petrie have to change trains if they wish to travel north of Petrie and have to change trains if they wish to travel south to Nundah, Toombul,Woolawin,Albion .

For example if travelling to or from Nundah to Virginia  ( 3 stations) the passenger is now required to change trains at Northgate.
Passengers Travelling to or from Dakabin to Lawton (3 stations) have to now change trains at Northgate.

If someone (tazzer96) thinks that is a forward step for all rail travellers using trains in this corridor , Feel free to explain to me and these inconvenienced passengers how a train that used stop at all stations but now runs express past them is a win win for them.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

You do have it a bit wrong in how people have to change trains.  Dakabin to lawnton only needs to change once, at petrie (cross platform transfer as well).   And thats how peak hour travel always was.  
Virginia - nundah is an annoying transfer, especially off peak but still only 1 change.

Also, the examples you gave are not how people travel.  Dakabin is a park'n'ride only station, its out in the middle of the sticks, literally.  maybe 1% of people who use it get off before bowen hills.  
Lawnton I used many times, The average clientele of that station is not going to nundah, toombul, wooloowin or albion. The average clientele of that station shouldn't even be considered since most aren't paying a fare.


I will say Nundah and toombul have lost many services, mainly due to the fact that the caboolture line should never have really stopped there anyway.  
Those who use nundah and toombul are really the only losers in this timetable.   Albion and wooloowin still have plenty of services running through them that are mostly empty anyway (due to airport and doomben line).  There are a few extra trains in peak so the maximum wait is 8 minutes,  but the biggest issues of the 3 cars trains will be fixed within the next year.

The caboolture line is very heavily patronised, all day everyday.   In peak most trains were at capacity, and alot of this space was taken up by people using inner city stations while leaving the other trains serving those stations fairly empty.  Mainly because you can stand on one platform and have a maximum wait of 3 minutes, or stand on the other platform and wait 15 minutes.  

The caboolture line is 50km long, the kippa ring line is 30 km long.   The majority of people using these lines are heading into the cbd and starting from the further reaches of the lines.  I have already seen a patronage boost to the off peak services, so more are using Public transport because of it, which is a good thing.  
However, the new caboolture line timetable is so much faster it means that even a transfer at northgate or eagle junction may still be quicker than the previous all stops service.

Another reason why the stations needed to be expressed was because having a train running to nambour stop all stations to northgate is so monumentally stupid and counter productive, it drove people away from the service.  The current pattern allows nambour trains to be better through routed and most now go to springfield or ipswich.  Which the connection to stations like milton, auchenflower and toowong is a huge boost.


Just imagine sydney running an all stations penrith service, or an all stations waterfall service.  It would go down too well.
  NBP Junior Train Controller

Location: Brisbane
Welcome to "having-express-trains-101."

It is a necessity that people have to change trains, that is how it works.  Fact.  No "ifs, buts or maybes."


2115A"I do not live in Brisbane but I was surprised when looking at the new  timetables for Caboolture and Kippa Ring.

"Passengers from north of Petrie now have to change trains if they wish to get off at any station between Petrie and Northgate.
Passengers from stations between Northgate and Petrie have to change trains if they wish to travel north of Petrie and have to change trains if they wish to travel south to Nundah, Toombul,Woolawin,Albion .

"For example if travelling to or from Nundah to Virginia  ( 3 stations) the passenger is now required to change trains at Northgate.
Passengers Travelling to or from Dakabin to Lawton (3 stations) have to now change trains at Northgate.

"If someone (tazzer96) thinks that is a forward step for all rail travellers using trains in this corridor , Feel free to explain to me and these inconvenienced passengers how a train that used stop at all stations but now runs express past them is a win win for them."


It is a step forward, as stated by others, express trains are a thing that all railways deal with.  My question to you is:  Explain "HOW" these passengers are actually "inconvenienced."  Do you even know?
  br30453 Chief Train Controller

ABC radio taking many calls complaining this morning about Petrie ( now Kippa Ring ) trains no longer stopping at Toombul ( Caboolture trains already express ). Most of these residents complaining lived from Petrie inwards who have shopped or worked at Toombul Shoppingtown for years and now have to get off at Northgate or Eagle Junc. and change trains for a 2 or 1 station journey.
Just proves how backwards people in qld are. (i am one of them).
Every single other rail system in the world lives with express services.   I want a express train that stops only at the 2 stations i want.
tazzer96
For travellers from the Kippa-ring (Redcliffe Peninsula Line) or Caboolture line the train you have to change to when going to Nundah or Toombul is the all stations from Shorncliffe. But this train departs at the exact same time that your train arrives, necessitating a 15 minute wait. It take a lot of planning to achieve this outstanding timetable.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I took a train from Nundah to Landsborough last week, Is that no longer possible without changing now ?
  GS4 Train Controller

At the moment they are only sort of express.
My dad took the train into Brisbane from Burpengary and he and a few other passengers got a laugh due to the train stopping at a few stations it is now not supposed to stop at.

Call it above and beyond the call of duty I suppose.

Am I right in thinking a train from Kippa Ring now makes all the stops into Brisbane instead of a Cabganistan , , opps , sorry Caboolture train?
  norwoodman Locomotive Driver

Location: Brisbane
At the moment they are only sort of express.
My dad took the train into Brisbane from Burpengary and he and a few other passengers got a laugh due to the train stopping at a few stations it is now not supposed to stop at.

Call it above and beyond the call of duty I suppose.

Am I right in thinking a train from Kippa Ring now makes all the stops into Brisbane instead of a Cabganistan , , opps , sorry Caboolture train?
GS4
Kippa-Ring up services run express from Northgate to Bowen Hills, stopping at Eagle Junction.

Caboolture up services run express from Petrie to Bowen Hills, stopping at Northgate and Eagle Junction.

Those stopping patterns are for all services in both directions, not just peak hours. It looks like most of the Nambour services run through to Ipswich or Springfield Central now.

There's been some extra Northgate all station services inserted in to the timetable in peak hours as well as a half-hearted attempt to provide 7-8 minute max waiting times at Toombul and Nundah in peak hours, although they have been poorly advertised and are generally 3-car trains.
  2115A Locomotive Driver

Welcome to "having-express-trains-101."

It is a necessity that people have to change trains, that is how it works.  Fact.  No "ifs, buts or maybes."


2115A"I do not live in Brisbane but I was surprised when looking at the new  timetables for Caboolture and Kippa Ring.

"Passengers from north of Petrie now have to change trains if they wish to get off at any station between Petrie and Northgate.
Passengers from stations between Northgate and Petrie have to change trains if they wish to travel north of Petrie and have to change trains if they wish to travel south to Nundah, Toombul,Woolawin,Albion .

"For example if travelling to or from Nundah to Virginia  ( 3 stations) the passenger is now required to change trains at Northgate.
Passengers Travelling to or from Dakabin to Lawton (3 stations) have to now change trains at Northgate.

"If someone (tazzer96) thinks that is a forward step for all rail travellers using trains in this corridor , Feel free to explain to me and these inconvenienced passengers how a train that used stop at all stations but now runs express past them is a win win for them."


It is a step forward, as stated by others, express trains are a thing that all railways deal with.  My question to you is:  Explain "HOW" these passengers are actually "inconvenienced."  Do you even know?


My replay to " Mr NBP "

What I know is that stations either side of Petrie and Northgate stations are no longer serviced by the same trains as was previously the case.


To travel a short journey of 3 to 5 stations from one side of Petrie or Northgate to the other side now takes longer and requires changing trains.

Last month the same 5km journey took as little as 6 minutes and 1 train. Now that trip can take over 20 minutes and requires the use of 2 trains to travel 3 to 5 stations.


You see NBP

That is how these winging fair paying passengers are now" inconvenienced"
But , HEY what would I know ..... I don't live there.
NBP
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

At the moment they are only sort of express.
My dad took the train into Brisbane from Burpengary and he and a few other passengers got a laugh due to the train stopping at a few stations it is now not supposed to stop at.

Call it above and beyond the call of duty I suppose.

Am I right in thinking a train from Kippa Ring now makes all the stops into Brisbane instead of a Cabganistan , , opps , sorry Caboolture train?
GS4
Thats due to the massive amount of cannon hill to northgate services being cancelled because we don't have enough drivers while they all get qualified for the new line.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Yesterday on the e-Courier Mail website there was a headline about lack of patronage on the MBRL, I couldn't open it. Anyone know more?
  phil_48 Chief Train Controller

Location: Wynnum North
My son-in-law gets train at Mango Hill and said patronage has been scratchy but is increasing.  He also said that many pax have worked out a quicker way to get into town.  He said some ex Kippa Ring trains arrive at Petrie the same time as ( on an adjacent platform ) ex Caboolture trains, or just before them.  There is a mass exodus off the ex Kippa Ring trains onto the already packed ex Caboolture trains to take advantage of the ex Caboolture trains express runs into Town.  Checked timetables and noted he could be right.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

My son-in-law gets train at Mango Hill and said patronage has been scratchy but is increasing.  He also said that many pax have worked out a quicker way to get into town.  He said some ex Kippa Ring trains arrive at Petrie the same time as ( on an adjacent platform ) ex Caboolture trains, or just before them.  There is a mass exodus off the ex Kippa Ring trains onto the already packed ex Caboolture trains to take advantage of the ex Caboolture trains express runs into Town.  Checked timetables and noted he could be right.
phil_48
The ex-caboolture services can arrived up to 3 minutes after the ex kippa ring train has left and it would still be a faster trip to the city due to the overtake around carseldine.   Same deal applies to the springfield and ipswich lines in peak.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
My son-in-law gets train at Mango Hill and said patronage has been scratchy but is increasing.  He also said that many pax have worked out a quicker way to get into town.  He said some ex Kippa Ring trains arrive at Petrie the same time as ( on an adjacent platform ) ex Caboolture trains, or just before them.  There is a mass exodus off the ex Kippa Ring trains onto the already packed ex Caboolture trains to take advantage of the ex Caboolture trains express runs into Town.  Checked timetables and noted he could be right.
phil_48
I suppose there was never going to be a rush. Some drivers may also be hanging on to see if the crowds to the train will leave them a better road. Others getting feedback from friends.

Maybe the courier mail article was comparing with Sprinfield take up?

It will be interesting to see how the Shorncliff line traffic changes if any? Are the buses still running to Sandgate?
  NBP Junior Train Controller

Location: Brisbane
My son-in-law gets train at Mango Hill and said patronage has been scratchy but is increasing.  He also said that many pax have worked out a quicker way to get into town.  He said some ex Kippa Ring trains arrive at Petrie the same time as ( on an adjacent platform ) ex Caboolture trains, or just before them.  There is a mass exodus off the ex Kippa Ring trains onto the already packed ex Caboolture trains to take advantage of the ex Caboolture trains express runs into Town.  Checked timetables and noted he could be right.
phil_48
Well Phil, that is the whole point of a connected rail network.  That is the way it should be, but you must understand that Peak time, whilst having high patronage, is still only a small percentage of the total run time on the QR network.  The purpose is for all the other times.  If people want to squish onto an already packed train in peak to save 13 minutes, that is up to them.

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