Port Rail Shuttles For Melbourne At Last

 
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
G'day all.
Has there been any more news/ further development of the Salta/ Qube intermodal facility at Lyndhurst? Or is this now dead in the water? What is the chances of any pathways available on that crowded Crimebourne line?
Cheers all.
damooops
I suspect that until further line capacity is provided in that direction, the idea won't progress all that far.

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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
There is no actual Victorian Government Minister responsible for  Rail Freight .
Now port lease is finalized me thinks the issue of  rail shuttles to  Somerton and  Altona  etc will now be activated by both the State Government and the new Port lessee .  
Andrews Government is very focussed on delivering what it promised in 2014, and tends to close out/delay on other funded issues as it is scared of not delivering especially on the lx removals .
kuldalai
Just heard the minister on the radio this morning re the Port lease saying that rail access POINTS (plural, my emphasis) within 5 years are mandated in the agreement.

BG
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

There is no actual Victorian Government Minister responsible for  Rail Freight .
Now port lease is finalized me thinks the issue of  rail shuttles to  Somerton and  Altona  etc will now be activated by both the State Government and the new Port lessee .  
Andrews Government is very focussed on delivering what it promised in 2014, and tends to close out/delay on other funded issues as it is scared of not delivering especially on the lx removals .
Just heard the minister on the radio this morning re the Port lease saying that rail access POINTS (plural, my emphasis) within 5 years are mandated in the agreement.

BG
BrentonGolding
REPEAT  :  There is no actual Victorian Government Minister responsible for  Rail Freight .
It was the Treasurer you heard on 774 with Faine this am that said  .........  "Port lease that rail access POINTS within 5 years are mandated in the agreement."
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Kuldalai is spot on. The guys referred to in my earlier post have already facilitated several projects such as Dooen Inland Terminal and securing the mineral sands contract.  Expect an announcement soon about a new freight flow out of Hamilton put together by this team.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Kuldalai is spot on. The guys referred to in my earlier post have already facilitated several projects such as Dooen Inland Terminal and securing the mineral sands contract.  Expect an announcement soon about a new freight flow out of Hamilton put together by this team.
Trainplanner

Hi Trainplanner, who is this tram you speak of?

Sounds like some good news coming our way.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
There is no actual Victorian Government Minister responsible for  Rail Freight .
Now port lease is finalized me thinks the issue of  rail shuttles to  Somerton and  Altona  etc will now be activated by both the State Government and the new Port lessee .  
Andrews Government is very focussed on delivering what it promised in 2014, and tends to close out/delay on other funded issues as it is scared of not delivering especially on the lx removals .
Just heard the minister on the radio this morning re the Port lease saying that rail access POINTS (plural, my emphasis) within 5 years are mandated in the agreement.

BG
REPEAT  :  There is no actual Victorian Government Minister responsible for  Rail Freight .
It was the Treasurer you heard on 774 with Faine this am that said  .........  "Port lease that rail access POINTS within 5 years are mandated in the agreement."
kuldalai
Sorry, I didn't mean that I heard the Minister for Railways, I should have trimmed my quote a bit more, I actually thought it was the Minister for Ports that I heard but I was referring to your second sentence not your first! The one about the Rail Shuttles!

BG
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Port Shuttles are to begin in December.
  Beta4Me Locomotive Driver

Is the operator confirmed yet?
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Probably a month to late (well several years late actually) given B Doubles are being banned from the Westgate in November. http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/biggest-trucks-banned-from-ageing-west-gate-bridge-20161020-gs6vi4.html

Hopefully this gets a lot of trucks of those local roads.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Probably a month to late (well several years late actually) given B Doubles are being banned from the Westgate in November. http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/biggest-trucks-banned-from-ageing-west-gate-bridge-20161020-gs6vi4.html

Hopefully this gets a lot of trucks of those local roads.
TOQ-1
With the B doubles banned from the Westgate, and Port lease now  finalized it is high time the non existant Minister for Freight the new port lessees and Freight Forwarders got the already funded Port Rail Shuttles up and running, and Government restoring rail  access  to Webb Dock .
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
With the B doubles banned from the Westgate, and Port lease now  finalized it is high time the non existant Minister for Freight the new port lessees and Freight Forwarders got the already funded Port Rail Shuttles up and running, and Government restoring rail  access  to Webb Dock .
kuldalai

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/biggest-trucks-banned-from-ageing-west-gate-bridge

Now even talkiing about running "High Productvity" errr bulls*it trucks down francis street once againb.  An interesting read.  The entire freight strategy under this government is in complete disarray.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Probably a month to late (well several years late actually) given B Doubles are being banned from the Westgate in November. http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/biggest-trucks-banned-from-ageing-west-gate-bridge-20161020-gs6vi4.html

Hopefully this gets a lot of trucks of those local roads.
TOQ-1
Err no.

Regular B-Doubles are not being banned from the West Gate Bridge.

The less common Super B-Doubles, or High Productivity Freight Vehicles are being banned, these will now have no option other than to use the only suitable alternative route:

Wurundjeri Way, Footscray Rd, Whithall Rd and Francis St. Francis St currently has a truck ban in place during school times, as well as overnight (10PM -6AM)

This move will be at odds with the Maribyrnong Truck Action Group or whatever they call themselves who are lobbying government for the banning of all heavy vehicles from the bulk of these roads entirely. Despite the route being designated a truck route.

Of course the obvious solution would be to increase the number of containers moving on rail, therefore lowering the number of trucks needed on the roads.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Err no.

Regular B-Doubles are not being banned from the West Gate Bridge.

The less common Super B-Doubles, or High Productivity Freight Vehicles are being banned, these will now have no option other than to use the only suitable alternative route:
Gman_86
As I understand it they are not being "banned" as such - it was a trial which has come to an end. The powers that be assessed the pros and cons and found that the vehicles risked damage to the bridge

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/vicroads-finds-west-gate-bridge-lacks-strength-to-carry-heaviest-trucks-20160418-go97ei.html

It appears that in it's current state of repair the bridge is considered unsuitable for these vehicles.

There is some interesting stuff in that article about port expansion etc. which auger well for the Port Rail shuttles. Fingers Crossed.

BG
  ARodH Chief Train Controller

Location: East Oakleigh, Vic
I've driven by that site (Lyndhurst) recently and besides the Bunnings DC it's still pretty much greenfield and no sign of anything really happening. Maybe they're waiting on skyrail to finish and the duplication of the Cranbourne line to occur and get to Lyndhurst.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Isn't It only Somerton first, than followed by Altona North/Laverton ?
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Encouraging evidence that new Port of Melbourne lease committed to rail:

Port of Melbourne sale finalised

Photo: Port of Melbourne Corporation

Oliver Probert - Sydney
October 31, 2016



Victorian treasurer Tim Pallas has announced the state has reached financial close on the $9.7 billion lease of the Port of Melbourne, which will help pay for Premier Daniel Andrews’ flagship level crossing removal program.
Pallas announced the deal had been finalised on Monday, October 31.
He called the long-term lease “an outstanding achievement that underlines the continued high performance of the Victorian economy”.
“We promised to lease the port, get rid of Victoria’s most deadly and congested level crossings and create thousands of jobs, and that’s exactly what we are doing.”
Along with funding level crossing removals, 10% of the proceeds from the port sale will go to regional and rural infrastructure projects. An additional $200 million is going towards the Government’s Agriculture Infrastructure and Jobs Fund.
The port has been acquired by the Lonsdale Consortium, which comprises of the Future Fund, QIC, GIP and OMERS.
The consortium has named former Transurban COO and Queensland Motorways CEO Brendan Bourke as the port’s new chief executive.
GIP Australian partner Russell Smith has indicated rail will be a key factor in the consortium’s push to make the port more competitive and efficient.
GIP was recently part of the breakup of Australian port and rail group Asciano – through which it acquired a 5.5% stake in the Patrick port terminals business, an 11% stake in Asciano’s bulk and automotive arm, and a 12% stake in the Pacific National rail business.
Consortium partner the Future Fund is the Australian Government’s sovereign wealth fund. OMERS is a Canadian pension fund with private and public interests in real estate and infrastructure around the world.
QIC adds its share of the Port of Brisbane to a portfolio which already includes a 26.7% stake in the Port of Brisbane, a 25% share of Brisbane Airport, 25% of motorway owner Northwestern Roads Group, and various other Australian and international investments.
Victorian ports minister Luke Donnellan said the consortium’s ongoing investment in the Port of Melbourne will consolidate its position as the biggest container and cargo port in the country.
“The ongoing development of the Port of Melbourne will enhance its reputation as the leading port in Australia,” Donnellan said. “The lease of the Port of Melbourne will deliver enduring economic benefits to all Victorians.”
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It does not appear this project has gone any further.  Why is it inland port projects of all types (with maybe 1 exception) are failing in Victoria?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

It does not appear this project has gone any further.  Why is it inland port projects of all types (with maybe 1 exception) are failing in Victoria?
bevans
As is often the case it gets chucked in the "too hard" basket and since it's not considered a big vote winner nobody cares.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It does not appear this project has gone any further.  Why is it inland port projects of all types (with maybe 1 exception) are failing in Victoria?
As is often the case it gets chucked in the "too hard" basket and since it's not considered a big vote winner nobody cares.
Carnot

The Austrack yard is already there so what would be preventing the services from getting underway?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

It does not appear this project has gone any further.  Why is it inland port projects of all types (with maybe 1 exception) are failing in Victoria?
As is often the case it gets chucked in the "too hard" basket and since it's not considered a big vote winner nobody cares.

The Austrack yard is already there so what would be preventing the services from getting underway?
bevans
Perhaps port access?  Capacity is pretty tight at North Dynon with all the work happening there at present.  Pathing issues with Metro could be an issue on BG.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

It does not appear this project has gone any further.  Why is it inland port projects of all types (with maybe 1 exception) are failing in Victoria?
As is often the case it gets chucked in the "too hard" basket and since it's not considered a big vote winner nobody cares.

The Austrack yard is already there so what would be preventing the services from getting underway?
bevans
Perhaps port access?  Capacity is pretty tight at North Dynon with all the work happening there at present.  Pathing issues with Metro could be an issue on BG.
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
A quick look when going past on the train last Wednesday. There were some stacks of what appeared to be concrete sleepers in the yard.
  Beta4Me Locomotive Driver

Somerton (AusTrak) is going to be a DPW shuttle run by PN on SG as that's the new steel terminal stite.
Laverton and Altona still need to be built by Salta for anything to happen there.

The shuttle trains wouldn't be terminating at North Dynon, they would go to a new Metropolitan rail terminal in the Dynon/Port precinct if one were built, otherwise they'll go to West Swanson Intermodal Terminal (DP World) which DPW would expand (by adding additional track(s) as required.
  MetroFemme Chief Train Controller

The intermodal terminal proposed for marong was recently knocked back by VicRoads. If that is not a conflict of interest I am not sure what is.

Victoria is happy to make announcement on announcement and never get anywhere when it comes to rail freight.
  blowfish Junior Train Controller

Somerton (AusTrak) is going to be a DPW shuttle run by PN on SG as that's the new steel terminal stite.
Laverton and Altona still need to be built by Salta for anything to happen there.

The shuttle trains wouldn't be terminating at North Dynon, they would go to a new Metropolitan rail terminal in the Dynon/Port precinct if one were built, otherwise they'll go to West Swanson Intermodal Terminal (DP World) which DPW would expand (by adding additional track(s) as required.
Beta4Me
Did they buy the terminal off Qube?

Can you clarify the comment about the steel terminal also? Is that going to be built on adjacent land?

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