Coode Island is the Port of Melbourne's bulk liquids terminal, but all the literature I can find shows that it only imports bulk liquids so it may not be able to export ethanol without modifications. It doesn't have a rail link either but if there was a need I'm sure a discharge siding and a short pipeline could be built for the ethanol traffic.Based on what happens elsewhere, export ethanol will be transported in bulk like most other petroleum products and will need to be exported via a port equipped to load bulk petroleum products.If this is the case then I am not sure there is a port in Victoria which has this capability?
It seems the Port of Geelong has that capabilityBased on what happens elsewhere, export ethanol will be transported in bulk like most other petroleum products and will need to be exported via a port equipped to load bulk petroleum products.
If this is the case then I am not sure there is a port in Victoria which has this capability?
Hmmmm, just some random ravings, you have been warned...................Thanks Woodford.
Let's say the plant uses 10,000 tons of grain a week (thats 500,000 tons a year) and the process is 60% effective so 1 tonne of grain produces 600Kg of Ethanol. Thats somewhat under 800 litres per tonne of grain and thats 800 x 10,000 tons, ie 8 million litres of Ethanol per week, say 100 80,000 litre tank cars. Thats WAY beyond road transport.
Overseas experience shows this will surely push up the price of grain, so farmers are likely to be happy.
woodford
Informative as always.
I doubt this will get up.Sorry, you are wrong, for a number of years now Golden Plains have been working with the Gheringhap resident ( I am one) to rezone this area to industrial.
All the land around this area is zoned either "Farming Zone" or "Low Density Residential Zone". I would say the company proposing this will have somewhat of a fight on their hands as the land will have to be re-zoned to at least "Industrial 2 Zone" for a "plant" to be built on any of that land.
I cannot find any reference to the project at all online. It's not even in any of the local council's minutes.
Would love to know your source @bevans
Try this link,
http://dongmungreentec.com.au/?page_id=1117
They have already bought the land.
Regards GoG.
If Dongmun are talking those sort of quantities and they are looking at the amount of investment in infrastructure to we might see an extension on the DG Corio Independent Goods line on the up to the refinery here in Geelong.It seems the Port of Geelong has that capabilityBased on what happens elsewhere, export ethanol will be transported in bulk like most other petroleum products and will need to be exported via a port equipped to load bulk petroleum products.
If this is the case then I am not sure there is a port in Victoria which has this capability?
http://www.regionalchannels.vic.gov.au/index.php/geelong-port/geelong-details
See the last full paragraph on the page which at time of writing said:
"The port handles a wide variety of cargoes including bulk liquid (crude oil, petroleum, and chemicals)"
10,000 tonnes of grain per week required at Gheringhap but maybe also at Denni?Into Gheringhap, yes, but not Deni as it is a grain growing region so it can come in direct from there (by ol' farmer Joe's truck) rather than being 'imported'.
I think that would come close to 4 full 40 wagon grain trains per week into the plant at Gheringhap and probably the same in Denni?
A pipeline to corio would be an expensive proposition compared to tank wagons and an unloading facility which would be far cheaper to build.
What might happen is the product could be railed to other states ?
I've read the relevant parts of the EIS so I know it should be: they estimate 12 wagons/day inbound and 10 wagons/day outbound (based on 330 days/year – what a “wagon” means is not described though).Into Gheringhap, yes, but not Deni as it is a grain growing region so it can come in direct from there (by ol' farmer Joe's truck) rather than being 'imported'.
Are you of the opinion the product will be railed out of Deniliquin?
Waiting for someone on here to state those volumes are not enough for rail. Those volumes are 20% of the current volumes which could be using rail between Millicent and Portland.Yes, quite a few PN grain trains on the Deni line at present. One or two per week and probably even more in the near future.
The rail siding required could be funded by the councils and the vic government as this would be cheaper than the road damage.
All very good news for Deniliquin in jobs and qube also. Are grain trains running on the Deniliquin line at all ?
Does the EIS cover Gheringhap ?
There is also the option for grain trains onto the western branch of that line as the local government who I have spoken to have been quite frustrated at not being able to get trains on the old branch for 500,000 tonnes of grain per annum so of which could be sent to the ethanol plant perhaps?If we're talking about the Moulamein line, trains would either need to go all the way to Echuca to do a loco round-around or a push-pull consist. Otherwise a triangle or loop at Barnes would be needed. I think it's been over 10 years since anything ran along that line, so lots of work required to bring it up to speed I would imagine.
There is also the fact that the line is in NSW. Is the Vic government going to stump up the $$$ to re-instate a line in NSW to achieve less wear and tear on NSW roads?There is also the option for grain trains onto the western branch of that line as the local government who I have spoken to have been quite frustrated at not being able to get trains on the old branch for 500,000 tonnes of grain per annum so of which could be sent to the ethanol plant perhaps?If we're talking about the Moulamein line, trains would either need to go all the way to Echuca to do a loco round-around or a push-pull consist. Otherwise a triangle or loop at Barnes would be needed. I think it's been over 10 years since anything ran along that line, so lots of work required to bring it up to speed I would imagine.
The Victorian Government should be there to facilitate business and if that is using rail because it is cheaper then that is what they should be doing regardless of if the plant is in NSW or Vic etc. Trucks would be crossing from NSW to Vic to access the grain and the ports etc so road damage is really a national problem.If it is being carried by Road to Deni, Mildura, Echuca etc then railed from there then the vast majority of the wear and tear would be in NSW. I doubt much wheat if any would be trucked all the way from Moulemein to Portland / Geelong / Melbourne ports.
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