Third train station announced for Mernda rail extension

 
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  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
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Good idea?

Third train station announced for Mernda rail extension

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  Carnot Chief Commissioner

What do we think?  

Good idea?

Third train station announced for Mernda rail extension
x31
Yes.  Less cars on local roads going from driveways to train station carparks and back each day.

The question i have is whether they'll be much capacity towards the city for more passengers.  I'm thinking sardine cans....
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
What do we think?  

Good idea?

Third train station announced for Mernda rail extension
x31
It's a good idea provided there are adequate bus connections to the station.
Yes. Less cars on local roads going from driveways to train station carparks and back each day. The question i have is whether they'll be much capacity towards the city for more passengers. I'm thinking sardine cans....
Carnot
The South Morang line still has capacity to run more trains if needed. This capacity is also likely to be increased with the implementation of moving block signalling. All they need to do is buy more trains and grade separate the junction at Clifton Hill.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Ah, what good fortune to live in Yan Yean, a marginal seat. Very Happy

When I bought my house in Melbourne electorate, it was a safe Labour seat and all parties ignored it.
Then it became marginal Green - Labour and local projects got funded.
Now Melb is so safe for the Greens that the Liberals came (distant) second in the recent election, with Labour even further behind and everyone is ignoring us again. Crying or Very sad
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

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Third train station announced for Mernda rail extension
x31

I think it's definitely a good idea out there.  If nothing else to spread the load on parking at stations...

Wait and see how the public sentiment is going towards 2018.  The locals get a second station (which maybe the ALP govt always were planning, but wanted to announce later to look like they were listening to community feedback), but some locals will complain about elevated rail no matter what (aided by Libs astroturfing the NoSkyRailers), in spite of the fact that sinking the rail would obliterate the park at Hawkstowe entirely.
  ElliotProvis Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
Let's hope the next project is an extension of the 86 to South Morang town centre!
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
A third station was always in the proposal if the winning builders could show they could do it cost effectively. I never doubted that there wouldn't be a third station.

The changes to the elevation of the track is interesting though. That is definitely bowing to community pressure there. (Though how some people expected a trench to be built under The Parkway when it runs along a creek is beyond me).
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

The changes to the elevation of the track is interesting though. That is definitely bowing to community pressure there. (Though how some people expected a trench to be built under The Parkway when it runs along a creek is beyond me).
TOQ-1

What changes?  I didn't see any mentioned in the article, although I may just have missed something.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Let's hope the next project is an extension of the 86 to South Morang town centre!
ElliotProvis

Hopefully.  The 86 tram should've been extended out there when they build South Morang station.  Or just keep it on Plenty Rd and connect at the new Marymede station.

A long time ago, I went out with a girl from Beveridge.  Her father (who used to commute into the city from Beveridge station when it still existed - this is quite a while ago) for some reason thought heavy rail to Mernda/Whittlesea was a waste of money, but insisted that the 86 tram should just be extended to South Morang, then along the rail reserve to Whittlesea.

I tried to explain that this would probably be a significantly larger waste of money than just building the Whittlesea line as heavy rail, as it'd take hours to get to the city from there by tram...  BUT the 86 tram connecting with trains at Sth Morang would be of significant benefit for the local residents south of the station (and the uni etc).
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

The local council actually wants to extend the 86 tram further than that - their proposal is continue up Plenty Rd to Bush Blvd, where it will turn left, through the town centre to South Morang station.  (this section is about 5km).

But they then see it continuing about another 5km - up Ferres Blvd and The Lakes Blvd, looping back eastward to Plenty Rd about 1km south of Hawkstowe.
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
The local council actually wants to extend the 86 tram further than that - their proposal is continue up Plenty Rd to Bush Blvd, where it will turn left, through the town centre to South Morang station.  (this section is about 5km).

But they then see it continuing about another 5km - up Ferres Blvd and The Lakes Blvd, looping back eastward to Plenty Rd about 1km south of Hawkstowe.
Adogs

I'm thinking that Melbourne has some other higher priorities than tram extensions to outer suburbs that will already be provided with heavy rail.

But why not try to get as much as you can when you are in a marginal electorate!

Ross
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria

Wait and see how the public sentiment is going towards 2018.  The locals get a second station (which maybe the ALP govt always were planning, but wanted to announce later to look like they were listening to community feedback), but some locals will complain about elevated rail no matter what (aided by Libs astroturfing the NoSkyRailers), in spite of the fact that sinking the rail would obliterate the park at Hawkstowe entirely.
Adogs

I think they have done an impressive job with the landscaping and station designs for the rail extension as shown in the animation.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLs3iUMJCLE

I particularly like the way they have used earth mounds instead of ugly concrete walls for sound protection/visual screening and have used lots of glass and materials other than concrete for the stations.  Much better than other recent stations such as between Ormond and Bentleigh.

Ross
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I notice that they plan more shared paths. We have too many of these.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
I notice that they plan more shared paths. We have too many of these.
Myrtone
I fail to see the problem. What better way to encourage the local communities to get out and about walking or using bicycles. Having a shared use corridor with public transport, walking/cycling paths and a bit of greenery is definitely the way to go. I'm impressed with what is planned. And I would support the extension of the Route 86.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
The problem is not shared use corridors, but shared paths. If bike and foot traffic are heavy, then separate parallel paths for bikes and pedestrians are the way to go.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
I think Myrtone is concerned about homicidal, spandex clad cyclists running down innocent pedestrians. This is a BIG problem in the inner suburbs where many (not all) adult cyclists have an air of entitlement and little concern for others.

While it's unfortunate that shared pedestrian / push bike paths are planned, there are less adult cyclists in the outer suburbs and those there are tend to be more humble and less aggressive than their inner city brethren, so pedestrians being flattened by cyclists may be less of a problem out there.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Yeah, its not like there's going to be hundreds upon hundreds of cyclists on these paths. And from the images, there's more than enough room for a pedestrian so simply step to the side so that a cyclist can overtake if they really have to.

The Sunshine - Tottenham path sees a little bit of use, but it's definitely very handy and increasing over time.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
The changes to the elevation of the track is interesting though. That is definitely bowing to community pressure there. (Though how some people expected a trench to be built under The Parkway when it runs along a creek is beyond me).

What changes?  I didn't see any mentioned in the article, although I may just have missed something.
Adogs
The line was originally going to have longer elevated sections, including at Marymede station, where they release makes a point of it being at ground level.

The LXRA had originally posted detailed line diagrams on their website that have since been removed. Hopefully the new ones are posted soon (and someone saved the originals to make a comparison. I apparently didn't).
  jamesadams7 Station Master

I've got the old line diagrams and maps if anyone wants them. Not sure how to upload them here.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

I think Myrtone is concerned about homicidal, spandex clad cyclists running down innocent pedestrians. This is a BIG problem in the inner suburbs where many (not all) adult cyclists have an air of entitlement and little concern for others.
Bogong
Not that big a problem really.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Any recent construction going on with the Mernda Rail extension? It's gone quiet on the project, the planning seems complete, and they've done alot drilling and testing along the route. Wondering if there is any progress has been made.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Any recent construction going on with the Mernda Rail extension? It's gone quiet on the project, the planning seems complete, and they've done alot drilling and testing along the route. Wondering if there is any progress has been made.
James974

Construction is scheduled to start middle of this year.
  stooge spark Train Controller

The whole mernda extension may need a Two tier service, not sure how it would work but those originating from mernda would most likely skip the lesser used from between South morang and Clifton hill.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
The reason for the delay is quite simple. The extension is in the marginal lower house seat of Yan Yean. It's currently held by Labour, but the Liberals have an upper house MP based there and apparently he is quite an effective player for his team.

So from the government's point of view, they want to maximise the political benefit they can get out of this, so most of the construction and preferably the opening will be just before the state election so it will be fresh in the minds of swinging voters when they go to the polling booths.

This is a strategy that has been used by both political parties over many decades, so expect construction to occur over the year before the state election.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Mernda isn't opening until 2019, so someone in the Government messed up their timeline. Another possibility is that the LXRA just has a lot on their plate already, and they and construction contractors aren't ready to build yet until they have finished other projects. Also consider things like the CD9 taking significant resources such as concrete pylons to finish and so these materials may not be readily available.

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