Airport rail not a priority, but widening Tullamarine Freeway is

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 03 Oct 2016 09:23
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The airport link will be much easier to construct than the RRL.

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  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The airport link will be much easier to construct than the RRL.
bevans
This is where I think the Gold Plated option is proving to be way too expensive.

So for once, copy the Americans, upgrade the freight BG line, build single track to the airport from the BG freight line, viaduct last few km into airport and elevated island station, add an extra station on BG freight line, no wires, 20-30min frequency depending on time of day, use V/locities (need to buy additional units) kitted out for airport use, ie luggage racks etc, operating 16-18hr a day, job done!
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
The airport link will be much easier to construct than the RRL.
This is where I think the Gold Plated option is proving to be way too expensive.

So for once, copy the Americans, upgrade the freight BG line, build single track to the airport from the BG freight line, viaduct last few km into airport and elevated island station, add an extra station on BG freight line, no wires, 20-30min frequency depending on time of day, use V/locities (need to buy additional units) kitted out for airport use, ie luggage racks etc, operating 16-18hr a day, job done!
RTT_Rules
By the time you've upgraded the existing BG Line, you're probably just as well off paying for a whole new piece of track. The current track is limited to 20 km/h in some places so getting that up to scratch is essentially a rebuild anyway.

Remember that VLocity units are much more expensive to build and maintain than electric rolling stock, so ordering more of them to save money doesn't stack up in the long run. There really isn't need for additional luggage racks either. People manage everywhere else in the world.

A 20-30 minute service will never pull the passengers away from using their cars, it really needs to be turn up and go to be seen as a reliable and viable alternative for people.

The whole thing would be a lot less expensive if the airport chipped in and helped pay for the construction costs. In doing so, it would earn itself the right to charge access fees for a set period of time (both of which should of course be regulated by the government). At the moment we're just in a situation where everyone wants it, but no one, not even those with the money, want to pay for it.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I mentioned previously, the BG freight line would be rebuilt from ground up and mostly duplicated apart from the Viaduct  the earth works required is minimal and avoid high cost items like OH and a new viaduct.

The new track from there is expensive, most would be elevated and mostly a continous Viaduct like Brisbane. Hence single track mor of it apart from last 500m or so. Again avoiding costly OH.

V/locities. Considering the high frequency service to Geelong appears viable over stringing wires then sane to airport. A number of Nth American airports cannot be that wrong.

20min is more than sufficent until you are filling 6 car trains as most of the rest of the network survives on this and 30min for lessor times.

Brisbane survived economically and grew in numbers on mostly 30min for first 10 years and the airport is much closer to city. Basically is you missed the train you could catch a cab and be in the city before next one left. Tulla us over twice the distance away.

Again this is about removing gold plating to get the thing to a price where it's viable. It's not about trying to get as many pax as possible as those marginal pax are costly to attract. If you strip it down to basics it may just be a commercially viable project without need for a subsidy.

Line can be upgraded to duplication and OH as needed in future without impact on operations if built correctly.

trains that typically only service the Airport typically have luggage racks and how many airport lines do you want me to nominate? Without luggage racks where nearly every passenger has baggage, you will loose about 50% of the seating due to bags dumped on seats potentially damaging the seat over time and see door ways blocked. With luggage racks you loose about 10-15% of the seating.  

The airport has no interest in building a railway to its doors and if I owned the airport I wouldn't pay. The line on latest estimates is also bloody expensive so how much do you expect them to pay?
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